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Apologies if this has already been posted.

Anyone surprised at this? I must admit I'm considering it for the first time.

The figures suggest there were 159,000 more births than deaths and that the total population grew by 349,000 to 60,587,000 - an increase of 0.6%.

Yearly population growth of 350k in a country that struggles to build 200K new homes (50%+ flats) and refuses to build on 'green' land doesn't make for a very pretty future here in the UK.

And then there's the fact that we aren't building anymore new roads, or putting down anymore railway track.

We'll be hanging off the sides of train carriages in 10 years time like they have to in India....

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I have suspected it for quite a while as so many people I meet/ talk to, have a family member who has hit the road.

I think better NHS and schooling is a big draw. Britain, once a world leader in these fields, is now 'on skid row'. :(

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I have suspected it for quite a while as so many people I meet/ talk to, have a family member who has hit the road.

I think better NHS and schooling is a big draw. Britain, once a world leader in these fields, is now 'on skid row'. :(

Schooling in this country for those that can't afford private fees is trully becoming shite.

My gfs mum has a role in a school which is to keep attendance rate up by literally going around to homes etc. There are at least two of them employed in this role for one school and a further 5 people employed to assist. This is for one school. And the school has a full time police officer now. These roles didn't exist more than 4 years ago. Money being spent trying to keep those that don't want an education in school when the money could be spent on providing a better education for those that do. The school she works in, west midlands has only about 15% white kids, most are muslims

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I have suspected it for quite a while as so many people I meet/ talk to, have a family member who has hit the road.

I think better NHS and schooling is a big draw. Britain, once a world leader in these fields, is now 'on skid row'. :(

For me it's the 'Chav Culture' what's pushing me over the edge. I could deal with paying for overpriced housing if the UK was a nice place to live and for the most part, this simply isn't the case. There is just no manners or respect from a large percentage of people in this country it's a fecking joke.

If I have to put up with some chav playing music from their mobile at full volume when I'm on the metro again then it's either pull out an uzi or book a flight. I'm leaning towards the latter. :ph34r:

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Schooling in this country for those that can't afford private fees is trully becoming shite.

My gfs mum has a role in a school which is to keep attendance rate up by literally going around to homes etc. There are at least two of them employed in this role for one school and a further 5 people employed to assist. This is for one school. And the school has a full time police officer now. These roles didn't exist more than 4 years ago. Money being spent trying to keep those that don't want an education in school when the money could be spent on providing a better education for those that do. The school she works in, west midlands has only about 15% white kids, most are muslims

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You can get Muslims in all different colours you know.

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Apologies if this has already been posted.

Anyone surprised at this? I must admit I'm considering it for the first time.

Why, oh why, would you possibly want to leave a police state with an awful transport infrastructre and crap weather full of chavs ???

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And then there's the fact that we aren't building anymore new roads, or putting down anymore railway track.

We'll be hanging off the sides of train carriages in 10 years time like they have to in India....

that is different, if i where transport minister i would not increase any roads or railways instead i would "hope" technology addresses these problems. I don’t give a shit about the so called "green land" i just wouldn’t want to spend money on something that we may not need.

self drive cars should be around in 10 years time (my guestimate), which will make much better use of the roads we have. similar situation with trains.

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If I have to put up with some chav playing music from their mobile at full volume when I'm on the metro again then it's either pull out an uzi or book a flight. I'm leaning towards the latter. :ph34r:

In Ear monitors and an ipod, I had a screaming baby sat right next to me, couldnt hear a thing. Fantastic!

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How does the ONS derive these numbers?

How do they know if someone decides to pack their bags and move to France?

I have some vague recollection that after the last census it was admitted that there was no effective system for accounting for all departures. Anyone else remember this? Was it ever fixed ?

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that is different, if i where transport minister i would not increase any roads or railways instead i would "hope" technology addresses these problems. I don’t give a shit about the so called "green land" i just wouldn’t want to spend money on something that we may not need.

self drive cars should be around in 10 years time (my guestimate), which will make much better use of the roads we have. similar situation with trains.

We already have self drive trains, Docklands Light Railway for example.

Not sure how that will help with overcrowding though, the problem is generally down to length of trains and station platforms and bottlenecks in the system like inability to expand stations like Clapham and Waterloo etc.

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In Ear monitors and an ipod, I had a screaming baby sat right next to me, couldnt hear a thing. Fantastic!

Are they the ones that go right down your lug hole? I need to look into them.

It's not the screaming kids, don't get me wrong it's my number one for most annoying sounds in the world but the music on mobiles gets right under my skin. I mean what's the thought process they go through...

"Oh I've got earphones but I want old ladies to look at me strange and I want John Q Publictransportuser to look at my new Rockports so I'll play the sh|te on my mobile to make sure they notice me...Init!"

The mentality is shameful.

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Both sides of my grandparents were immigrants to the UK. Now I have brothers and sisters who have left the UK to go elsewhere. I've aslo left. Maybe we just have immigrant genes ???

Maybe those leaving the UK are like my family? Who knows the ethnical make-up of those departing? Does the govt or the BBC have this statistic? Would be interesting to know.......

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Are they the ones that go right down your lug hole? I need to look into them.

It's not the screaming kids, don't get me wrong it's my number one for most annoying sounds in the world but the music on mobiles gets right under my skin. I mean what's the thought process they go through...

"Oh I've got earphones but I want old ladies to look at me strange and I want John Q Publictransportuser to look at my new Rockports so I'll play the sh|te on my mobile to make sure they notice me...Init!"

The mentality is shameful.

This reminds me of a few years ago when I was living in Brixton.

Guy sat in a car right outside our living room, windows down blasting music out. Couldn't hear the TV so went out and asked him if he minded turning the music down as I couldn't hear the TV

The guy jumped out of the car and came right upto me and started ranting about 'his space' and how he could do what he wanted. I just held my hands up turned away and walked without saying anything else that might have triggered an attack.

But unfortunately that is the mindset, blind ingnorance and selfishness. I can add that for people like him I don't actually consider them human and could quite happily put a gun to their heads and shoot them. You just know that they go through their lives causing untold misery to so many people that have to come across them. The world would be a far better place without them.

That and a shooting right by us and I was out of that area fairly quickly

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For me it's the 'Chav Culture' what's pushing me over the edge. I could deal with paying for overpriced housing if the UK was a nice place to live and for the most part, this simply isn't the case. There is just no manners or respect from a large percentage of people in this country it's a fecking joke.

If I have to put up with some chav playing music from their mobile at full volume when I'm on the metro again then it's either pull out an uzi or book a flight. I'm leaning towards the latter. :ph34r:

I have to say that out of all the places I have lived Bavaria (Munich) and Austria (Vienna, Salzburg) rate the highest! Now I know you might not like the Germans for whatever reason but seriously the places are very clean and efficient, the trains run on time all the time, there is zero street crime to speak of and people just seem to have much more of a social attitude with cleaning the path outside their house etc.

Living in Munich was my first taste of life out of the Uk and I was so shocked at how much better it is! Oh yes and ZERO chavs and neds too!

Edited by Soul Reaver

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How does the ONS derive these numbers?

How do they know if someone decides to pack their bags and move to France?

I have some vague recollection that after the last census it was admitted that there was no effective system for accounting for all departures. Anyone else remember this? Was it ever fixed ?

This country used to record people leaving the UK but the Conservatives scrapped it due to a cost-cutting measures in the early 90's. Now they and this government plan to reinstate it - i think in 2009/2010 due to the large numbers overstaying their holiday visa etc etc etc.

The upshot of this meant that this country just does not know how many people really are here.

Figures of 1,000,000+ illegals/visa overstayers/foreign students who never left etc etc are probably not unreasonable

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Living in Munich was my first taste of life out of the Uk and I was so shocked at how much better it is!

Ditto, my first place I lived out of the uk was Geneva, bit of a dump but still compared to the UK the difference in the quality of life is something you really feel.

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Apologies if this has already been posted.

Anyone surprised at this? I must admit I'm considering it for the first time.

I am already in the process of applying for a visa, and I am following in the footsteps of two friends - both of whom have PhD's in engineering - it is the educated that are leaving and we are only going to be left with the dross.

I am hacked off with the greed culture that is invading us. Profit now comes above all else at the expense of family and community values. I am not driven by greed and as a result I have been priced out of being able to afford my own home here and probably can never afford to have a family here either so there is little incentive to stay.

The next time I here that Brown t**d talking about "hard working British familes" I am booking my flight.

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I have to say that out of all the places I have lived Bavaria (Munich) and Austria (Vienna, Salzburg) rate the highest! Now I know you might not like the Germans for whatever reason but seriously the places are very clean and efficient, the trains run on time all the time, there is zero street crime to speak of and people just seem to have much more of a social attitude with cleaning the path outside their house etc.

Living in Munich was my first taste of life out of the Uk and I was so shocked at how much better it is! Oh yes and ZERO chavs and neds too!

Yeah but every other woman has dyed red hair!

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I have to say that out of all the places I have lived Bavaria (Munich) and Austria (Vienna, Salzburg) rate the highest! Now I know you might not like the Germans for whatever reason but seriously the places are very clean and efficient, the trains run on time all the time, there is zero street crime to speak of and people just seem to have much more of a social attitude with cleaning the path outside their house etc.

Living in Munich was my first taste of life out of the Uk and I was so shocked at how much better it is! Oh yes and ZERO chavs and neds too!

I don't dislike the Germans, it's just that I don't think I could move to a country where English isn't the first language, I know it only takes a bit of effort to learn the basic lingo but I was pants at French/German at school.

I was thinking more Canada or New Zealand. I've got an Uncle who's been in NZ for 30 years and my Auntie (his sister not wife) moved there 6 years ago. I'm going in Feb to check it out so who knows.

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I am already in the process of applying for a visa, and I am following in the footsteps of two friends - both of whom have PhD's in engineering - it is the educated that are leaving and we are only going to be left with the dross.

I am hacked off with the greed culture that is invading us. Profit now comes above all else at the expense of family and community values. I am not driven by greed and as a result I have been priced out of being able to afford my own home here and probably can never afford to have a family here either so there is little incentive to stay.

The next time I here that Brown t**d talking about "hard working British familes" I am booking my flight.

The place to go is South America, Venezuela for example.

Watched programme the other night (mon?) and it was really interesting.

Chavez is a real socialist and the US backed coup failed completely as the people have had enough with the rich elite and forced those that took over back out of power.

Great place, great culture and perhaps lots of opportunities.

The US has *ucked south america over continuously, usually replacing democracies with dictators so that they could control their economies. However, perhaps now really is a new dawn for the region.

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If my wife would come with me I would be out of this sh*thole tomorrow. but it looks like I'm stuck here - it could be worse I suppose

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Yeah but every other woman has dyed red hair!

You have got to be joking! Either that or you have never been ;) It is a standing joke amongst my German friends that English girls are the ugliest in Europe. True Bavarian girls a site to behold with their long blonde hair and oh so fit fit fit bodys mmmmmm.

None of your fat chavs there with their bellys hanging out over the top of their spray on leggings yuk

PS

Sweden is my all time fav though :wub:

A beauty Comparison for you in REAL terms :)

Edited by Soul Reaver

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