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Over the pass few months the US has been attacking china and now the UK? reckon economic war breaks out, just seems to get bigger and bigger each time.

Just watched BBC news and find it amazing that the focus of the whole thing was China.

Mattel didn't check that the shite cheap-as-chips supplier couldn't give a monkey's about quality? Well who's fault is that then?

Astounding...China makes everything so it's bound to make some crap as well. Is it really newsworthy unless there's an agenda?

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woo they use poisonous LEAD in toys that could hurt our children! Bad China, bad China, BAD China

Bad as paedophiles

oooh look - exclusive hidden camera in Chinese factory

childcatcher.jpg

<_<

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Yes, but not just why attacking China, but why now?

I was getting properly miffed watching the business report on BBC News 24 whittering on about the (gasp!) champagne crisis and Mattel recalling millions of toys due to those dastardly Orientals and their heartless child-killing manufacturing processes (despite the fact that the products are made to Mattel's spec, overseen by American managers on site in China and subject to the company's own quality control checks upon importation to the West - or am I wrong?).

I was thinking, Jeez, the Dow Jones IA is hovering about 20 points above 13,000, even after the FED has pumped in hundreds of billions of yankee dollars, down about 200 points today, and it's not even mentioned. Instead we get toys and bumptious Frenchies who won't sell their fizzy wine in Calcutta (sorry, Kolkata). It was like the Richard and Judy of financial reporting.

But hold! The uber-narrative is developing nicely. As the banking system totters here, a scapegoat must be lined up, a yellow peril that will justify the draconian tariffs and restrictions that will stop the newly-minted creditor nations spending all the dollars they have here and reducing us speedily to penury by effectively reclaiming all their Uncle Sam IOUs.

So perfect that it is toys setting the tone.

"Won't somebody think of the children!?" (I think that's Rev Lovejoy's wife's clarion call in The Simpsons)

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Astounding...China makes everything so it's bound to make some crap as well. Is it really newsworthy unless there's an agenda?

Some crap ? everything made in China is crap. Would you fly in a plane made from chinese components ? neither would anyone else. Ok , I suppose chinese socks are value for money.

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Some crap ? everything made in China is crap. Would you fly in a plane made from chinese components ? neither would anyone else. Ok , I suppose chinese socks are value for money.

Well, in that case you probably won't be flying in any new planes in 20 years time!

I think you've missed the point...the Chinese have started off making the crap things and are rapidly moving up the food chain - bet you Rover cars work better now we're not making them! Like everything else they'll work out how to do it and then do it cheaper and probably better than we could. Given the number of highly educated graduates they are churning out it's hard to see how countries like Germany can stay ahead of them on the quality curve forever.

It does make you wonder if Mattel have let this happen with the backing of the US government...the timing is amazing given everything else that is going on in the US.

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Just watched BBC news and find it amazing that the focus of the whole thing was China.

Mattel didn't check that the shite cheap-as-chips supplier couldn't give a monkey's about quality? Well who's fault is that then?

Astounding...China makes everything so it's bound to make some crap as well. Is it really newsworthy unless there's an agenda?

My take exactly on just watching BBC "news" at 10. Couldn't help thinking that there is something going on. If the loyal minions in the media sustain the propaganda then this may indicate worries about China implementing a "nuclear option"

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18154.htm

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My take exactly on just watching BBC "news" at 10. Couldn't help thinking that there is something going on. If the loyal minions in the media sustain the propaganda then this may indicate worries about China implementing a "nuclear option"

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18154.htm

They are getting " joe public" prepared to believe that all the ills of the western world, such as HPI, credit crunch, stock falls etc are the FAULT of China.........It is clear that the USA wish to somehow find a way to mitigate its looming default of chinese loans, and ofcourse we follow like blair the poodle followed Bush the low IQ specialist.......

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Well, in that case you probably won't be flying in any new planes in 20 years time!

I think you've missed the point...the Chinese have started off making the crap things and are rapidly moving up the food chain - bet you Rover cars work better now we're not making them! Like everything else they'll work out how to do it and then do it cheaper and probably better than we could. Given the number of highly educated graduates they are churning out it's hard to see how countries like Germany can stay ahead of them on the quality curve forever.

It does make you wonder if Mattel have let this happen with the backing of the US government...the timing is amazing given everything else that is going on in the US.

China started making crap fifty years ago and is still making crap. The chinese are only able to copy. They cannot grasp the concept of true engineering and never have been able to. I worked in China for many years. Very few nations possess true engineering skill which is only available after decades of experience. These include Germany ,USA, and the UK. Countries like India and China will never have it. They will only ever make crap for western consumers. Does anyone know of a quality chinese product that was designed ,engineered and built in China ? Just because it looks like duck and walks like duck does not mean it is duck. (old chinese proverb)

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Just watched BBC news and find it amazing that the focus of the whole thing was China.

Mattel didn't check that the shite cheap-as-chips supplier couldn't give a monkey's about quality? Well who's fault is that then?

Astounding...China makes everything so it's bound to make some crap as well. Is it really newsworthy unless there's an agenda?

yep, they went on and on about it.

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China started making crap fifty years ago and is still making crap. The chinese are only able to copy. They cannot grasp the concept of true engineering and never have been able to. I worked in China for many years. Very few nations possess true engineering skill which is only available after decades of experience. These include Germany ,USA, and the UK. Countries like India and China will never have it. They will only ever make crap for western consumers. Does anyone know of a quality chinese product that was designed ,engineered and built in China ? Just because it looks like duck and walks like duck does not mean it is duck. (old chinese proverb)

proves my point.....

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Mattel didn't check that the shite cheap-as-chips supplier couldn't give a monkey's about quality? Well who's fault is that then?

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Some crap ? everything made in China is crap. Would you fly in a plane made from chinese components ? neither would anyone else. Ok , I suppose chinese socks are value for money.

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I think you've missed the point...the Chinese have started off making the crap things and are rapidly moving up the food chain - bet you Rover cars work better now we're not making them! Like everything else they'll work out how to do it and then do it cheaper and probably better than we could. Given the number of highly educated graduates they are churning out it's hard to see how countries like Germany can stay ahead of them on the quality curve forever.

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China started making crap fifty years ago and is still making crap. The chinese are only able to copy. They cannot grasp the concept of true engineering and never have been able to. I worked in China for many years. Very few nations possess true engineering skill which is only available after decades of experience. These include Germany ,USA, and the UK. Countries like India and China will never have it. They will only ever make crap for western consumers. Does anyone know of a quality chinese product that was designed ,engineered and built in China ? Just because it looks like duck and walks like duck does not mean it is duck. (old chinese proverb)

I believe Peter Schiff sums up best who's been flooding the world with cheap dangerous goods in his newsletter quoted below.

Sporting higher yields than Treasury bonds, investment grade ratings from reputable agencies, and juicy commissions for the investment banks that packaged them, these structured mortgage bonds have quickly become America’s greatest export. Ironically, amid all the recent hoopla about defective Chinese exports, America has proved that when it comes to flooding the world with shoddy merchandise, nobody beats the good old USA.

It's a shame the BBC could not be bothered to report that the boss of the toy company had committed suicide over the weekend because of the product recall. Did anyone other than the owner of the toy firm die or become ill from these cheap products? I don't remember hearing anything in our main stream media.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-08...ent_6025070.htm

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woo they use poisonous LEAD in toys that could hurt our children! Bad China, bad China, BAD China

Bad as paedophiles

oooh look - exclusive hidden camera in Chinese factory

childcatcher.jpg

<_<

LOL

yea and I'm sure lots of companies will stop using china to produce their cheap tat as well now! and pigs might fly

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It does make you wonder if Mattel have let this happen with the backing of the US government...the timing is amazing given everything else that is going on in the US.

Astonishing.

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China started making crap fifty years ago and is still making crap. The chinese are only able to copy. They cannot grasp the concept of true engineering and never have been able to. I worked in China for many years.....

Yeah, yeah, that's what you used to say about Japan....

And as for fifty years ago, weren't we making toys entirely out of lead then?

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Yeah, yeah, that's what you used to say about Japan....

Nope, not me. Never worked in Japan. I can only speak from experience of working in China.

I am intrigued by your screen name "evictee". It is an old chinese word for squatter. Do you have VI in China ?

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It's a shame the BBC could not be bothered to report that the boss of the toy company had committed suicide over the weekend because of the product recall. Did anyone other than the owner of the toy firm die or become ill from these cheap products? I don't remember hearing anything in our main stream media.

The Ten o'clock News reported that on Monday night.

And I know - KNOW - for a fact that the Ten tonight used a reporter in China because the story has (at least) two aspects - the toy recall, and the wider issue of outsourcing to China leading to corners being cut. Why not cover the China angle from China?

There are three places the story can be covered from - the US, the UK and China. News24 and BBC World ran lives from Washington once the story broke, and a "package" from Washington at 1700 + 1800. BBC World ran that package until 2200, because the Six ran a piece from London, with an insert from China and pictures from the States. News24 ran the London piece until the Ten.

Logistically (flight timetables, filming, editing and feeding picture logistics - let's not go there......), there couldn't be a decent piece out of China for six.

But the BBC's "flagship" bulletin can cover the story from a China-based business correspondent - so why not? More from them tomorrow, by the way.

It's August. Foot and mouth is withering as a story. None of the nasty domestic crime stories are decent leads for the Ten. 175 people may have died in Iraq, but that didn't work as the lead - it broke too late, a lack of clarity about the exact details, no certainty there'd be any coverage available for the bulletin, and no pictures. So toys/China it had to be.

And the Dow closed down just over one and a half percent, largely because a couple of US retailers say they're not doing as well as they'd hoped, and the worries that were reported extensively a few days ago are still there, but aren't having quite as big an effect as they did then. Whoopee. Should the BBC report a rise of 1.57% as well? No - it's not in itself big enough to force its way on. I doubt we've heard the last of the story though.

And a conspiracy between the powers-that-be and the BBC to portray China as the scapegoat for the impending economic armageddon? Please, get real. Please. Utter nonsense.

You can consider what's written above to be authoritative.

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Some crap ? everything made in China is crap. Would you fly in a plane made from chinese components ? neither would anyone else. Ok , I suppose chinese socks are value for money.

This is not exactly true. I am into hi-fi and as an example close to me... if you do your research you will find that many hi-end audio and AV brands sold in the UK and the US are made in china. Some can even be bought as oem from the factory at a fraction of the cost of the same or similar product branded in a well known western name. For example the Red Rose Affirmation amplifier costs $5000+ in the good ole USA, that same amp can be bought for $800 sold as a korsun v6i in china. The unit is exactly the same without the badge. It's a big American Class A transistor muscle amp BTW.

We have have just bought 3 x 845 tube amps for £500 each from china. A similar product in Practical Hi-Fi would set you back a couple of K and I very much doubt it will be any better inside having seen the component and build quality of some Chinese gear. I really get annoyed when people say all china stuff is crap esp if they have no engineering background or credentials to back up their claims. Sure there are bad products just as from other countries but they must be doing something right to be the manufacturing and engineering capital of the world.

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unsafe bottle feeding

According to the World Health Organisation (WHO) 1.5 million infants die every year because they are not adequately breastfed. Despite this, companies continue to promote artificial feeding in ways that undermine breastfeeding

enjoy your milky bars kids!!!!

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This is not exactly true. I am into hi-fi and as an example close to me... if you do your research you will find that many hi-end audio and AV brands sold in the UK and the US are made in china. Some can even be bought as oem from the factory at a fraction of the cost of the same or similar product branded in a well known western name. For example the Red Rose Affirmation amplifier costs $5000+ in the good ole USA, that same amp can be bought for $800 sold as a korsun v6i in china. The unit is exactly the same without the badge. It's a big American Class A transistor muscle amp BTW.

We have have just bought 3 x 845 tube amps for £500 each from china. A similar product in Practical Hi-Fi would set you back a couple of K and I very much doubt it will be any better inside having seen the component and build quality of some Chinese gear. I really get annoyed when people say all china stuff is crap esp if they have no engineering background or credentials to back up their claims. Sure there are bad products just as from other countries but they must be doing something right to be the manufacturing and engineering capital of the world.

Let's hope I get a trip to China then - my amplifier is the current weak link in my system, and I could do with an improvement. Although it'll be tricky to see how it sounds with my speakers before splashing out......

(Obviously I have BBC links, therefore I'll pay for it with the profit from my string of BTLs which I'm hoping to sell for a vast profit before using my power to crash the market....) :rolleyes:

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This is not exactly true. I am into hi-fi and as an example close to me... if you do your research you will find that many hi-end audio and AV brands sold in the UK and the US are made in china. Some can even be bought as oem from the factory at a fraction of the cost of the same or similar product branded in a well known western name. For example the Red Rose Affirmation amplifier costs $5000+ in the good ole USA, that same amp can be bought for $800 sold as a korsun v6i in china. The unit is exactly the same without the badge. It's a big American Class A transistor muscle amp BTW.

We have have just bought 3 x 845 tube amps for £500 each from china. A similar product in Practical Hi-Fi would set you back a couple of K and I very much doubt it will be any better inside having seen the component and build quality of some Chinese gear. I really get annoyed when people say all china stuff is crap esp if they have no engineering background or credentials to back up their claims. Sure there are bad products just as from other countries but they must be doing something right to be the manufacturing and engineering capital of the world.

This trend, you can look at http://www.nysound.com/ shows the trend from china, this is the thing you refer to: http://www.nysound.com/exec/servlet/Catego...02&formID=0 . What we are see is something similar to japan before 1975, or later when the same thing happened in korea . They are making beasts, cheap as hell. Look at this beast: http://www.nysound.com/exec/servlet/Catego...01&formID=0 The price is insane.

How long can it go on? I do not know, but I think it's not going to last for to long.

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We have have just bought 3 x 845 tube amps for £500 each from china. A similar product in Practical Hi-Fi would set you back a couple of K and I very much doubt it will be any better inside having seen the component and build quality of some Chinese gear. I really get annoyed when people say all china stuff is crap esp if they have no engineering background or credentials to back up their claims. Sure there are bad products just as from other countries but they must be doing something right to be the manufacturing and engineering capital of the world.

You will find that most of the components of your chinese build were sourced from Tiawan. I have an engineering background and worked for four years in China. Engineering capital of the world ? I do love your sense of humour. :lol:

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Let's hope I get a trip to China then - my amplifier is the current weak link in my system, and I could do with an improvement. Although it'll be tricky to see how it sounds with my speakers before splashing out......

(Obviously I have BBC links, therefore I'll pay for it with the profit from my string of BTLs which I'm hoping to sell for a vast profit before using my power to crash the market....) :rolleyes:

Just buy from the link above

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This is not exactly true. I am into hi-fi and as an example close to me... if you do your research you will find that many hi-end audio and AV brands sold in the UK and the US are made in china. Some can even be bought as oem from the factory at a fraction of the cost of the same or similar product branded in a well known western name. For example the Red Rose Affirmation amplifier costs $5000+ in the good ole USA, that same amp can be bought for $800 sold as a korsun v6i in china. The unit is exactly the same without the badge. It's a big American Class A transistor muscle amp BTW.

We have have just bought 3 x 845 tube amps for £500 each from china. A similar product in Practical Hi-Fi would set you back a couple of K and I very much doubt it will be any better inside having seen the component and build quality of some Chinese gear. I really get annoyed when people say all china stuff is crap esp if they have no engineering background or credentials to back up their claims. Sure there are bad products just as from other countries but they must be doing something right to be the manufacturing and engineering capital of the world.

Ahh..but what are you listening to on that setup?

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Let's hope I get a trip to China then - my amplifier is the current weak link in my system, and I could do with an improvement. Although it'll be tricky to see how it sounds with my speakers before splashing out......

You should look into ordering one of these and take a look at the Aurum Cantus speakers while your at it. All from china. I had a nice chat with the manager of practical hi-fi a few weeks back when me and a friend took a china made Esound e5 cd player to compare with some musical fidelity kit. He was a bit frustrated as a result of many hi-end china made products taking his business away, esp with audiophiles in the know who would normally be big spenders. They are just left to the high street punters now, who know very little or don't care about hi-fi in general but want a better than currys AV system to go with that 43 inch plasma they just bought.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~viver/chinese%20hi-e...ssun%20v6i.html

http://www.triode-systems.com/modules/wfse...hp?articleid=28

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