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Are You The Only Ones To See Meltdown

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Due to the high number of folk on here giving their statistical reasons for an imminent crash some evidence based...some hypothetical....some borderline millitent.

Does the inside info giving signs for the coming drop stay within these four walls....or does anyone on here have a direct link with (apparently) dumb MPC and such like steering commitees and say"hang on a minute look at this evidence for a prevailing crash"........

I respect most of you on here.....except the ones that gloat with glee at neauseating wealth youve pimped.......life should never be that easy for anyone....but collectively are you guys an gals the only ones to see the big picture.......i just cant see this being the case.and however dim you see the decision makers im sure they have just a little bit of insight into things to come........

I think there will be a correction/stagnation for a wee while......but i dont see the armageddon meltdown into the dark ages scenario that some predict on here... .....neither will my children when they become adults.....SO STOP TRYING TO SCARE US.........ya buggers. :P

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I think what most bears see is a govt that's been keeping plates spinning on sticks for the last ten years; at first quite easily, then with more difficulty, and now with desperation. The plate marked "new build flats" has actually dropped off and broken, but the pieces were quickly brushed under the carpet and few noticed. The plate called Northern Ireland has gone into terminal wobble, despite getting twice the elbow grease than some of the others.

Of course, Gordon might keep them spinning forever, he might... but he probably won't.... and he only wants one long term as PM. Surely an October election would put than in the bag, and then he can relax and let those pesky plates fall where they will.

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The only way I can explain it is that some years ago, mathematicians got together and changed the meaning of the minus sign. Every scenario I put together ends with a big fat minus sign, and yet people are still buying like there's no tomorrow.

It confuses the ****** out of me! :blink:

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I dont see meltdown- I see the end of many peoples dreams. I see the U.K. on the brink of a two tier society- the exact opposite of all that Labour used to stand for.

I see me voting "Independent"- or some other shit at the next election

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I think there will be a correction/stagnation for a wee while......but i dont see the armageddon meltdown into the dark ages scenario that some predict on here... .....neither will my children when they become adults.....SO STOP TRYING TO SCARE US.........ya buggers. :P

Not trying to scare you northern numpty, just being realistic. Do your own research of course.

I personally think the outlook for the UK is the bleakest it has been in my life time, i am 37. Some people here think this time will be the worse crash ever seen. Personally i am slightly more pessimisstic than that. I think we are in for complete reordering of global systems in my life time.

1. Economic collapse - Deflation? hyperinflation? stagflation?

2. Peak oil

3. Environmental effects (global warming, soil erosion, air pollution etc)

4. Rise of religious extremism

5. War

6. Population growth

These are the main drivers i see. Change is inevitable, any serious study of the above factors would indicate this. When is debatable as is what happens next. One thing though it will mean a significant lowering of the standard of living for those in the Uk. It could be complete anarchy. The problem is that everybody here expects their standard of living to either improve or at the bare minimum stay the same and they are not going to react well to the coming reality. Just as well new labour are well on their way to creating a police state to protect us from them terrorists eh?

Capitalism demands an ever increasing market. An ever increasing market puts ever increasing demands upon the worlds finite resources. Remember that everthing that is made comes from the earth in some way shape or form, from your house to your car to your dvd player. Success in the system is measured in terms of how many of the earths resources you are able to consume, how many things you can buy. It is not sustainable.

F :)

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:lol::lol: its a vote non the less..........you gotta love the shit party :lol::lol:

So you will be voting labour after all then ;)

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4. Rise of religious extremism

Is the economic decline of USA going to make the world more or less safe?

On one hand they will have less money to go round the world starting wars.

On the other hand the kristain looneys are in power. They believe the world is going to end with aramgeddon in the middle east.

It may become a self-fulfilling phrophecy. When they see their declining power they might take it a last chance to have a go.

And they think the muslims are dangerous. These particular brand of religious nutters have nuclear weapons.

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Is the economic decline of USA going to make the world more or less safe?

On one hand they will have less money to go round the world starting wars.

On the other hand the kristain looneys are in power. They believe the world is going to end with aramgeddon in the middle east.

It may become a self-fulfilling phrophecy. When they see their declining power they might take it a last chance to have a go.

And they think the muslims are dangerous. These particular brand of religious nutters have nuclear weapons.

Less safe IMO Barry. China may have the ability to bankrupt uncle sam but the US is the only nation on earth that can nuclear strike mutliple targets. Big old trump card when it comes to negotiating.

And when you consider that the Bush family believe that are "god guided" and george has a direct line to jesus himself............

F

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Less safe IMO Barry. China may have the ability to bankrupt uncle sam but the US is the only nation on earth that can nuclear strike mutliple targets. Big old trump card when it comes to negotiating.

And when you consider that the Bush family believe that are "god guided" and george has a direct line to jesus himself............

F

My opinion as well.

The only trouble with Socialism is that it keeps stupid people alive long enough to breed.

Relgious extremists (evangelists in the States and muslims in Europe) have a lot more kids than average.

It's ironic that they are using the things they deny and despise (science, reason and social welfare) to produce even more deluded, backward sprogs.

Effin hypocrictal creeps the lot of them.

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I think there will be a correction/stagnation for a wee while......but i dont see the armageddon meltdown into the dark ages scenario that some predict on here... .....neither will my children when they become adults.....SO STOP TRYING TO SCARE US.........ya buggers. :P

The Dark Lord Cometh. The Houses Will Fall.

PS 'Dark Lord' is not meant in a racist way.

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The only trouble with Socialism is that it keeps stupid people alive long enough to breed.

Yep, that and too much health and safety, both pollute the gene pool. As for the religious nuts surely we could fake a messiah for them and convince them to commit mass suicide.

Edited by Ipodjunky

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Not trying to scare you northern numpty, just being realistic. Do your own research of course.

I personally think the outlook for the UK is the bleakest it has been in my life time, i am 37. Some people here think this time will be the worse crash ever seen. Personally i am slightly more pessimisstic than that. I think we are in for complete reordering of global systems in my life time.

1. Economic collapse - Deflation? hyperinflation? stagflation?

2. Peak oil

3. Environmental effects (global warming, soil erosion, air pollution etc)

4. Rise of religious extremism

5. War

6. Population growth

These are the main drivers i see. Change is inevitable, any serious study of the above factors would indicate this. When is debatable as is what happens next. One thing though it will mean a significant lowering of the standard of living for those in the Uk. It could be complete anarchy. The problem is that everybody here expects their standard of living to either improve or at the bare minimum stay the same and they are not going to react well to the coming reality. Just as well new labour are well on their way to creating a police state to protect us from them terrorists eh?

Capitalism demands an ever increasing market. An ever increasing market puts ever increasing demands upon the worlds finite resources. Remember that everthing that is made comes from the earth in some way shape or form, from your house to your car to your dvd player. Success in the system is measured in terms of how many of the earths resources you are able to consume, how many things you can buy. It is not sustainable.

F :)

Spot on Furbs. It makes me laugh (even though it isn't funny) when people on here blather on about immigration as something to be worried about in the context of your items 1 - 6.

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Spot on Furbs. It makes me laugh (even though it isn't funny) when people on here blather on about immigration as something to be worried about in the context of your items 1 - 6.

Yep. But that's because they are nazis sossij.....

F :D

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My 2p worth :

At the end of WW2, govts had to rebuild Europe. To get this done quickly, they had to offer the working class bigger incentives than before (longer hols, health care, pensions, etc). What was destroyed in 6 yrs was more or less rebuilt in 15 (by '65). A great achievement.

After this, the ruling classes had to have a way of transferring this money/land etc back to themselves. They have had a model in place since the 80's. We are about to see the fruition of this when markets collapse and money becomes worthless (or 1/10 of it's value, maybe). Others will lose their savings/pensions etc.

The "old money" will be safe. They are buying hard assets as quickly as they can. All over the globe.

If you have 20 companies, 10 houses, boats, plus a pile of gold/diamonds etc, it doesn't matter if the markets tank. You were rich before, you will be rich after. (maybe even more so in relative terms). The little guy will be bust.

Everyone else will buckle down to the new, harsher regime.

Don't forget what happened in Russia. Old money didn't get wiped out during 70yrs of Communist rule. It just went to sleep for a while, waiting for the turnaround. In the UK, we've had families ruling us for 500yrs or more. They will always survive, because they think 2 generations ahead when they plan their finances, investments etc.

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Yep. But that's because they are nazis sossij.....

F :D

Sssshhhhhhhhhh! They'll accuse you of being a liberal lefty socialist dole scrounging council worker lesbian.... :ph34r:

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Less safe IMO Barry. China may have the ability to bankrupt uncle sam but the US is the only nation on earth that can nuclear strike mutliple targets. Big old trump card when it comes to negotiating.

And when you consider that the Bush family believe that are "god guided" and george has a direct line to jesus himself............

F

Havent we faced this before with post (cold) war nucular arms...."COMRADE"

I was hitting puberty late seventies and thinking"im going to be feckin melted"....is this not same train of thought. :unsure:

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The only way I can explain it is that some years ago, mathematicians got together and changed the meaning of the minus sign. Every scenario I put together ends with a big fat minus sign, and yet people are still buying like there's no tomorrow.

It confuses the ****** out of me! :blink:

the other way of explaining it is in terms of engineering.

mathematicians have the concept of real and imaginary numbers.

we've crossed the rubicon.Once we worked with purely real arithmetic....now we just have imaginary thrown into the mix.

..in maths terms imaginary is the square root of -1.However these fraudsters just make up any old shite,quantifiable or not.

this will work well with CPI figures.

CPI= RPI-real inflation + (j *j)

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Havent we faced this before with post (cold) war nucular arms...."COMRADE"

I was hitting puberty late seventies and thinking"im going to be feckin melted"....is this not same train of thought. :unsure:

Possibly - though currently the US has the edge in military might and certainly in nuclear capability. During the cold war the USSR and USA were all out trying to match each others capability.

I think the picture is more complex this time, factors variously being:

1. Global Markets (China holding dollars, US balance of trade deficits).

2. Other Nuclear nations (particulalry North Korea, India, Pakistan and the biggest loose cannon of all Israel).

3. The last remaining easy to get oil being concentrated in middle eastern (mostly islamic) nations.

The previous cold war was about ideology, mainly. This time make no mistake it is about resources and religion.

Buy a tin hat.

F B)

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Possibly - though currently the US has the edge in military might and certainly in nuclear capability. During the cold war the USSR and USA were all out trying to match each others capability.

I think the picture is more complex this time, factors variously being:

1. Global Markets (China holding dollars, US balance of trade deficits).

2. Other Nuclear nations (particulalry North Korea, India, Pakistan and the biggest loose cannon of all Israel).

3. The last remaining easy to get oil being concentrated in middle eastern (mostly islamic) nations.

The previous cold war was about ideology, mainly. This time make no mistake it is about resources and religion.

Buy a tin hat.

F B)

Yep....guess your right matey....complexity is different nowadays.......

But on reading through the thread again im not sleeping any easier tonight, as my concerns at start of this are finacial meltdown..........now we are on verge of nucular meltdown once again...(images of a top drama called THREADS going through my mind... scary) http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...790698427111488 well worth a look........ :o

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Yep....guess your right matey....complexity is different nowadays.......

But on reading through the thread again im not sleeping any easier tonight, as my concerns at start of this are finacial meltdown..........now we are on verge of nucular meltdown once again...(images of a top drama called THREADS going through my mind... scary) http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...790698427111488 well worth a look........ :o

I remember that - scary stuff!

F

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