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Brown's Challenge Is Not Cameron--its The Left

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http://politics.guardian.co.uk/gordonbrown...2143755,00.html

If we keep pushing Brown, a bounce could turn into a seismic moment
The progressive left today has a once-in-a-generation opportunity to dramatically shift the political centre of gravity
Neal Lawson
Wednesday August 8, 2007
The Guardian
The skilfully engineered bounce witnessed in the first days of Gordon Brown's premiership could be turned into something more: a political earthquake. The time is ripe not just for a better Labour government but for a shift in the centre of gravity of politics decisively to the left. Brown could be the first Labour leader since Clement Attlee to recast British society - not by taking small steps but giant leaps. This is why...../
Today the free market is not the solution, it is the problem. Every pressing issue we face demands a collective response - climate change and flooding, terrorism, the
housing crisis
, insecurity at work,
immigration
and the ageing population. Neoliberalism promised a utopia but has failed to deliver. Britain has become a hideously unequal society. The poor are not treading water but sinking beneath the rising tide of the rich. But the middle classes are struggling, too. Insecurity and anxiety abound. Working harder to keep up on the treadmill of the learn-to-earn consumer society is deepening our social recession. We are at a tipping point
.

IMO, this article is right on. I am not saying I agree with the left but it seesm that this is where we are headed in reaction to the excesses of the miracle economy and the social injustice that has resulted. Brown will have to go, of course, as he was the architect of the miracle and became the archetypal champagne socialist.

People are sick of the greed, the second home buying, the outrageous cost of living caused by HPI, the destruction of families and dislocation, the debt, the worship of house values, BTL, EAs........

Cameron is DIW and I think Old Labour are due for a resurgence. Ironic that it will be in reaction to a NuLabour miracle government.

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Guest KingCharles1st
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/gordonbrown...2143755,00.html
If we keep pushing Brown, a bounce could turn into a seismic moment
The progressive left today has a once-in-a-generation opportunity to dramatically shift the political centre of gravity
Neal Lawson
Wednesday August 8, 2007
The Guardian
The skilfully engineered bounce witnessed in the first days of Gordon Brown's premiership could be turned into something more: a political earthquake. The time is ripe not just for a better Labour government but for a shift in the centre of gravity of politics decisively to the left. Brown could be the first Labour leader since Clement Attlee to recast British society - not by taking small steps but giant leaps. This is why...../
Today the free market is not the solution, it is the problem. Every pressing issue we face demands a collective response - climate change and flooding, terrorism, the
housing crisis
, insecurity at work,
immigration
and the ageing population. Neoliberalism promised a utopia but has failed to deliver. Britain has become a hideously unequal society. The poor are not treading water but sinking beneath the rising tide of the rich. But the middle classes are struggling, too. Insecurity and anxiety abound. Working harder to keep up on the treadmill of the learn-to-earn consumer society is deepening our social recession. We are at a tipping point
.

IMO, this article is right on. I am not saying I agree with the left but it seesm that this is where we are headed in reaction to the excesses of the miracle economy and the social injustice that has resulted. Brown will have to go, of course, as he was the architect of the miracle and became the archetypal champagne socialist.

People are sick of the greed, the second home buying, the outrageous cost of living caused by HPI, the destruction of families and dislocation, the debt, the worship of house values, BTL, EAs........

Cameron is DIW and I think Old Labour are due for a resurgence. Ironic that it will be in reaction to a NuLabour miracle government.

I have to say I am starting to agree with this sort of sentiment. Only this morning I was wondering which decidedly unpalatable party I will be voting for in the next election. It WONT be any of the big three- and I suspect- they will also not be the choice of many others either..

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I have to say I am starting to agree with this sort of sentiment. Only this morning I was wondering which decidedly unpalatable party I will be voting for in the next election. It WONT be any of the big three- and I suspect- they will also not be the choice of many others either..

The part that RB has highlighted is a perfect description of this nation 2007.

The worst part for me is that the government and the lefty liberals claim to listen and 'want' to make a difference but all they do is talk, they never walk the walk.

Gordon Brown says that one of the sadest things he's seen during his time in government is that communities have been destroyed by HPI and people can no longer afford to live in the area that they were brought up in and where there family lives.............

NO SH1T. It took you this long to realise this??? It's been happening in parts of London for 30 years and in all of London and many other other parts of the country.

OK, so what are you going to do about it Gordo? My bet is on lots more talking, lots more hot air and absolutely no action.

Same with immigration, talk talk talk, no action.

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http://politics.guardian.co.uk/gordonbrown...2143755,00.html
If we keep pushing Brown, a bounce could turn into a seismic moment
The progressive left today has a once-in-a-generation opportunity to dramatically shift the political centre of gravity
Neal Lawson
Wednesday August 8, 2007
The Guardian
The skilfully engineered bounce witnessed in the first days of Gordon Brown's premiership could be turned into something more: a political earthquake. The time is ripe not just for a better Labour government but for a shift in the centre of gravity of politics decisively to the left. Brown could be the first Labour leader since Clement Attlee to recast British society - not by taking small steps but giant leaps. This is why...../
Today the free market is not the solution, it is the problem. Every pressing issue we face demands a collective response - climate change and flooding, terrorism, the
housing crisis
, insecurity at work,
immigration
and the ageing population. Neoliberalism promised a utopia but has failed to deliver. Britain has become a hideously unequal society. The poor are not treading water but sinking beneath the rising tide of the rich. But the middle classes are struggling, too. Insecurity and anxiety abound. Working harder to keep up on the treadmill of the learn-to-earn consumer society is deepening our social recession. We are at a tipping point
.

IMO, this article is right on. I am not saying I agree with the left but it seesm that this is where we are headed in reaction to the excesses of the miracle economy and the social injustice that has resulted. Brown will have to go, of course, as he was the architect of the miracle and became the archetypal champagne socialist.

People are sick of the greed, the second home buying, the outrageous cost of living caused by HPI, the destruction of families and dislocation, the debt, the worship of house values, BTL, EAs........

Cameron is DIW and I think Old Labour are due for a resurgence. Ironic that it will be in reaction to a NuLabour miracle government.

I agree with the general sentiment of the piece but take a slightly different view. The problem is neo-liberalism. If Cameron could take the Tories back to a more traditional version of 'noblesse oblige' Conservatism, then I think frankly he's onto a winner. People have had enough of the liberalist agenda ( look where its brought us ) and but that doesn't automatically mean a return to the leftism of the 70's which nearly destroyed the country.

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Each and every one of those problems would be made worse, not better by a more centralist, leftist government.

Climate change and flooding- More tax, fewer incentives for business to start up and meet the problem.

Terrorism- More invasion of privacy.

The housing crisis- It was Labour who put in place the development restrictions in the first place.

Insecurity at work- More red tape on business, more protection for workers, more public sector workers.

Immigration - It's the left's sodding fault we are in this mess!

Ageing population- Bigger pensions, more taxation.

One important point the left hasn't grasped. The globalised world works both ways, if they were to get a grip on power any productive person with a brain in their head can take their skills elsewhere, where they are rewarded rather expected to subsidise. That wasn't so easy in the 70's when they last had a bite of the apple.

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The only socialism I see these days is national socialism. The unplatable truth is that there are too many people on the planet and not enough resources. The resources we do have are divided in a "winner takes all" manner.

In order for me to keep benefiting from capitalism I need the masses to be hungry and poor. If they were to increase their wealth it would mean I would have to be poorer. Remember, your debt filled high standard of living is paid for by the resource rich third world. Your goods are cheap because some poor sucker has to work in a sweat shop in the far east for a pittance.

If you want to know why the world is the f***** up just look around at the excess in your life.

I am not a socialist or a communist, simply a realist, I am well off because I exploit the poor, and my government encourages me to do so...

Before I start feeling sorry for anyone you have to remember that the government also wants ME to be poor so that they can control me. The clever thing is it does this by persuading me that I am indeed wealthy. This they achieve through the magical world of debt. If I can borrow lots of money I must be rich, I must be doing well, I do not want to "rock the boat".

One day I will wake up and I will be poor and I will wonder how it happened...debt slavery is every bit as insidious and dangerous as good old fashioned slavery. I think I am free, am I?

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