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I'ts the easiest thing in the world to be a Liberal crowd pleaser, making the sorts of simplistc statements that derive lots of applause, such as "the gap between the haves and have nots is unacceptable".

Its a lot less popular to point out we all have the opportunity to better ourselves which surely consigns whinging to the bin marked 'redundant'.

Lets take some examples:

+ My car valeter came from Kosovo 5 years ago with nothing. He now owns 3 properties and has a thriving business.

+ The manager employed in a small cleaning company earning c£25000 pa owns 5 properties. He came with nothing from Nigeria in 2000.

I've always had the opinion that the core driver of personal destinty is ones attitude and in particular ones PESSIMISM FACTOR.

AS EVER YOUR DESTINY IS YOURS TO MANIPULATE.

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I'ts the easiest thing in the world to be a Liberal crowd pleaser, making the sorts of simplistc statements that derive lots of applause, such as "the gap between the haves and have nots is unacceptable".

Its a lot less popular to point out we all have the opportunity to better ourselves which surely consigns whinging to the bin marked 'redundant'.

Lets take some examples:

+ My car valeter came from Kosovo 5 years ago with nothing. He now owns 3 properties and has a thriving business.

+ The manager employed in a small cleaning company earning c£25000 pa owns 5 properties. He came with nothing from Nigeria in 2000.

I've always had the opinion that the core driver of personal destinty is ones attitude and in particular ones PESSIMISM FACTOR.

AS EVER YOUR DESTINY IS YOURS TO MANIPULATE.

Do you believe what they say? people can say anything the yhave to prove it other wise talk is cheap.

Then again its easy for those people to take a risk, they can always go back to their home land.

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I'ts the easiest thing in the world to be a Liberal crowd pleaser, making the sorts of simplistc statements that derive lots of applause, such as "the gap between the haves and have nots is unacceptable".

Its a lot less popular to point out we all have the opportunity to better ourselves which surely consigns whinging to the bin marked 'redundant'.

Lets take some examples:

+ My car valeter came from Kosovo 5 years ago with nothing. He now owns 3 properties and has a thriving business.

+ The manager employed in a small cleaning company earning c£25000 pa owns 5 properties. He came with nothing from Nigeria in 2000.

I've always had the opinion that the core driver of personal destinty is ones attitude and in particular ones PESSIMISM FACTOR.

AS EVER YOUR DESTINY IS YOURS TO MANIPULATE.

Absolutely.

General Practice for the NHS, about £15 per consult before tax.

General Practice Privately, about £35 per consult before tax.

"It's only so that I can pay a mortgage, you understand, sorry about the loss of a system attempting to provide egalitarian healthcare, nothing personal."

Do you want to play with me and my argument?

Come and have a go if you think you're smart enough.

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AS EVER YOUR DESTINY IS YOURS TO MANIPULATE.

It's not unfair when you compare yourself to others - but I don't buy things becuase they are fair or not, I buy them because they are good value (to me).

In what way did you think showing an example of 2 amateur BTL's would work on people of this site? :D

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Yes, like those black slaves in America had the chance to become rich and wealthy in the land of the free. It was their fault for deciding to stay slaves and not at all the fault of the system that they were born into.

Anyway, what's wrong with complaining? The more peeved you get the more likely you are to escape the system. It's the ones who just accept their lot that never better themselves. I shall continue to complain, get angry at the system and refuse to get into a lifetime of debt slavery.

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I'ts the easiest thing in the world to be a Liberal crowd pleaser, making the sorts of simplistc statements that derive lots of applause, such as "the gap between the haves and have nots is unacceptable".

Its a lot less popular to point out we all have the opportunity to better ourselves which surely consigns whinging to the bin marked 'redundant'.

Lets take some examples:

+ My car valeter came from Kosovo 5 years ago with nothing. He now owns 3 properties and has a thriving business.

+ The manager employed in a small cleaning company earning c£25000 pa owns 5 properties. He came with nothing from Nigeria in 2000.

I've always had the opinion that the core driver of personal destinty is ones attitude and in particular ones PESSIMISM FACTOR.

AS EVER YOUR DESTINY IS YOURS TO MANIPULATE.

Indeed, if you are prepared to commit fraud on a grand scale the UK is a great place to make a fortune.

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I'ts the easiest thing in the world to be a Liberal crowd pleaser, making the sorts of simplistc statements that derive lots of applause, such as "the gap between the haves and have nots is unacceptable".

Its a lot less popular to point out we all have the opportunity to better ourselves which surely consigns whinging to the bin marked 'redundant'.

Lets take some examples:

+ My car valeter came from Kosovo 5 years ago with nothing. He now owns 3 properties and has a thriving business.

+ The manager employed in a small cleaning company earning c£25000 pa owns 5 properties. He came with nothing from Nigeria in 2000.

I've always had the opinion that the core driver of personal destinty is ones attitude and in particular ones PESSIMISM FACTOR.

AS EVER YOUR DESTINY IS YOURS TO MANIPULATE.

every silver lining has a cloud

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I think it's all relative...

I have a good paying job in IT, but am priced out. Following your logic, all I need to do is become a CEO and earn £350k a year. Sorry but, but being a CEO is beyond my capabilities, and I DON'T WANT 5 properties, I want a reasonable home over my head I can call my own for myself & my family. Is that too much to ask for Joe Average?

The same can be said for a homeless junkie on the street (in theory). They may want to get clean, lead a 'normal' life, but don't have the mental / personality capability to do so.

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I have a good paying job in IT, but am priced out. Following your logic, all I need to do is become a CEO and earn £350k a year. Sorry but, but being a CEO is beyond my capabilities, and I DON'T WANT 5 properties, I want a reasonable home over my head I can call my own for myself & my family. Is that too much to ask for Joe Average?

Reminds me of Bill Bailey talking about seeing a list of "things to do before we die", one of which was "see the Earth from space" - conveniently forgetting "become an astronaut" :lol:

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I'ts the easiest thing in the world to be a Liberal crowd pleaser, making the sorts of simplistc statements that derive lots of applause, such as "the gap between the haves and have nots is unacceptable".

Its a lot less popular to point out we all have the opportunity to better ourselves which surely consigns whinging to the bin marked 'redundant'.

Lets take some examples:

+ My car valeter came from Kosovo 5 years ago with nothing. He now owns 3 properties and has a thriving business.

+ The manager employed in a small cleaning company earning c£25000 pa owns 5 properties. He came with nothing from Nigeria in 2000.

I've always had the opinion that the core driver of personal destinty is ones attitude and in particular ones PESSIMISM FACTOR.

AS EVER YOUR DESTINY IS YOURS TO MANIPULATE.

Pointess post.

Social mobility is falling in this country. So the anecdotals you give are becoming LESS common, not more.

"My mate's mate started with nothing". yada yada - boring!

How about the nurse from Nigeria coming to the UK and working in the NHS for a pittance? Pessimist or loser, or what?

I can only assume your obsession with branding other people as pessimists and failures is born out of your own desire to feel superior to people you don't know. Like I say it's boring.

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Now Now.

Have a heart. That poor 'car valeter' must be working 200 hours a day to subsidize his rapacious tenants.

Unless DogBot likes to pay his 'valeters' £500 an hour.

And dont forget, Dogbot loves Germany. And Germans. Especially when they are marching south. Which they have done multiple times in living people's memories.

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I think it's all relative...

I have a good paying job in IT, but am priced out. Following your logic, all I need to do is become a CEO and earn £350k a year. Sorry but, but being a CEO is beyond my capabilities, and I DON'T WANT 5 properties, I want a reasonable home over my head I can call my own for myself & my family. Is that too much to ask for Joe Average?

The same can be said for a homeless junkie on the street (in theory). They may want to get clean, lead a 'normal' life, but don't have the mental / personality capability to do so.

Hey Garybug

don't be hard on yourself.

My observation of "CEO types" is they are generally psycho nutjobs.

Some say "CEO types" are "tough" or "driven". They are not. Psychologists would call them reckless greedy sociopaths.

It's just that we live in a world today that rewards reckless, greedy sociopaths and penalises thoughtful, patient humanitarians.

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Indeed, if you are prepared to commit fraud on a grand scale the UK is a great place to make a fortune.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Anyone can lie on an application form and "self cert" is the new endowment mis-sell. My financial adviser told me that self cert mortgages were designed for professionals like solicitors and accountants whose future earning potential was almost assured to go up but could not prove income in the short term. It seems that any old tom, dick or harry can apply for and be approved for one. Hell, if I had nothing to lose I would go to a far off land where the streets were paved with gold and mortgage myself silly.

My neighbour is a talking horse who fled the sudan in some conflict or other. He now owns 50 properties, all with stables and he's had all his other horse pals shipped over so they can bask in the british way of life. Birmingham Midshires have even recruited a specialist team to tap into the rapidly growing market of selling to anything and anybody.

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I'ts the easiest thing in the world to be a Liberal crowd pleaser, making the sorts of simplistc statements that derive lots of applause, such as "the gap between the haves and have nots is unacceptable".

Its a lot less popular to point out we all have the opportunity to better ourselves which surely consigns whinging to the bin marked 'redundant'.

Lets take some examples:

+ My car valeter came from Kosovo 5 years ago with nothing. He now owns 3 properties and has a thriving business.

+ The manager employed in a small cleaning company earning c£25000 pa owns 5 properties. He came with nothing from Nigeria in 2000.

I've always had the opinion that the core driver of personal destinty is ones attitude and in particular ones PESSIMISM FACTOR.

AS EVER YOUR DESTINY IS YOURS TO MANIPULATE.

Quite right if everyone just pulled their socks up a bit we could all own five houses.

Why didn't the tollpuddle martyrs just get on with being succesful rather than whinging about how unfair life was.

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I'ts the easiest thing in the world to be a Liberal crowd pleaser, making the sorts of simplistc statements that derive lots of applause, such as "the gap between the haves and have nots is unacceptable".

Its a lot less popular to point out we all have the opportunity to better ourselves which surely consigns whinging to the bin marked 'redundant'.

Lets take some examples:

+ My car valeter came from Kosovo 5 years ago with nothing. He now owns 3 properties and has a thriving business.

+ The manager employed in a small cleaning company earning c£25000 pa owns 5 properties. He came with nothing from Nigeria in 2000.

I've always had the opinion that the core driver of personal destinty is ones attitude and in particular ones PESSIMISM FACTOR.

AS EVER YOUR DESTINY IS YOURS TO MANIPULATE.

I'm not sure what you mean by pessimism. I'm sure you will agree that it's not possible for everyone to simultaneously follow the path of being on a £25K salary and miraculously buying 5 properties in 7 years. (That's obvious, so I'm not going to bother going over the details as to why it is the case). As far as I am concerned, all they've done is gambled, and you've picked out the examples of the people who won at the Roulette wheel. As other posters have pointed out, it's fairly easy to let go and gamble everything when one has nothing really to lose, given they can always go back where they came. That option is not available to those born here.

I'd be interested to know exactly how one goes about getting 5 property's worth of mortgages on a 25K salary mind. Hope there wasn't any fraudulent morgage applications involved.

To be honest, I think your observation is fatuous. It's the sort of thing the guy who comes bottom of the class and is a bit dim churns out at parties to bolster himself up a bit. To be honest, I'm not really interested in maintaining opportunities for people to gamble and grab resources, and generally I'll always vote in elections for parties that act to limit, not increase them. Rewarding real creativity and effort is fine, and definitely to be encouraged. Rewarding gambling really shouldn't happen. I'm not sure which your examples demonstrate.

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Quite right if everyone just pulled their socks up a bit we could all own five houses.

Why didn't the tollpuddle martyrs just get on with being succesful rather than whinging about how unfair life was.

I was priced out in the 80's boom and hope property will become more affordable for ftb's in the future

But at the moment if may be a good time for renting with mates rather than buying with mates and saving a big wad to use in the future - At least until it's clear what's happening to prices

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Yes in a fair world those nice young lithuanian ladies you get on street corners offering blowjobs for a fiver will keep all of their gains for the night.

...one problem.....the pimps(or recruitment agencies in HR jargon)

...the old english models are too expensive and have been slapped about a bit too much,so some new,less abused stock is needed.

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+ My car valeter came from Kosovo 5 years ago with nothing. He now owns 3 properties and has a thriving business.

I knew a 'Kosovan', actually an Albanian who pretended to be Kosovoan to claim asylum. Quite a nice happy-go-lucky bloke and not a scary gangsta-type, but a total fiddler and fraudster even though I quite liked him. Had money from the state and bills and acommodation paid for while he worked with a false EU ID. He built up a nice pot of cash and if he'd been a bit brighter and realised anyone with a pulse could self cert he'd have probably used his dogdy ID to get a few buy-to-lets.

If I didn't have to worry about paying bills, rent and taxes and had all my time back to fiddle, defraud, wheel and deal, duck and dive I'd probably make a shedload of dosh too.

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I'ts the easiest thing in the world to be a Liberal crowd pleaser, making the sorts of simplistc statements that derive lots of applause, such as "the gap between the haves and have nots is unacceptable".

Its a lot less popular to point out we all have the opportunity to better ourselves which surely consigns whinging to the bin marked 'redundant'.

Lets take some examples:

+ My car valeter came from Kosovo 5 years ago with nothing. He now owns 3 properties and has a thriving business.

+ The manager employed in a small cleaning company earning c£25000 pa owns 5 properties. He came with nothing from Nigeria in 2000.

I've always had the opinion that the core driver of personal destinty is ones attitude and in particular ones PESSIMISM FACTOR.

AS EVER YOUR DESTINY IS YOURS TO MANIPULATE.

Its a bit like saying they know someone who went blind and on account of that became a top piano player, or someone who lost a leg in an accident has won the disabled olympics etc etc, 1 in `1000 may well do these things but the vast majority of people dont have what is necissary

Two friends of mine from many years ago became millionairs at quite a young age, both before 30. However I can say with absolute certainty that both of them were absolutely ruthless in their dealings with other people, both were the most greedy people I have ever known and both of them became more and more self centric the older they got, eg they were the type of people who could quite happily go to a posh resturaunt by them selves or the cinema and enjoy it as much if not more than with company. Both of them could without any concience indulge in illegal activities to get what they wanted, both of them were tax cheats, both of them owend BTL property and treated the tennents like sh*t. Yes you can do it, and its much easier to do if you have no regard for other people. I of course grew apart from these 'friends' when it became apparent that their meaness had no boundarys and nothing and nobody got in the way of their greedy ambitions. I have known a few other people who have also done really well financialy speaking, however the things they had going for them are unfortunatly not in great abundance, ie, good looking, massive intelligence, charming, gift of the gab, all the things that lubricate life and get you anywhere, these things by the way cannot be learned or bought.

No Im afraid you are wrong, destiny is not ours to manipulate, we can try but the vast majority will just plod along no matter how hard they try.

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Its a bit like saying they know someone who went blind and on account of that became a top piano player, or someone who lost a leg in an accident has won the disabled olympics etc etc, 1 in `1000 may well do these things but the vast majority of people dont have what is necissary

No Im afraid you are wrong, destiny is not ours to manipulate, we can try but the vast majority will just plod along no matter how hard they try.

Totally agree, this is the myth the successful like to ply (i.e. anyone can do it and there are no losers).

OF COURSE its possible, it's just that unfortunate fact that for one person to be rich, ten people have to be poor. Choose your ratio 1:5, 1:50; how rich do you need to be (how many BTLs). It's the parasite:host ratio.

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Totally agree, this is the myth the successful like to ply (i.e. anyone can do it and there are no losers).

OF COURSE its possible, it's just that unfortunate fact that for one person to be rich, ten people have to be poor. Choose your ratio 1:5, 1:50; how rich do you need to be (how many BTLs). It's the parasite:host ratio.

.....that is today..the reverse could be true in say..... two years..... :unsure: n

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I knew a 'Kosovan', actually an Albanian who pretended to be Kosovoan to claim asylum. Quite a nice happy-go-lucky bloke and not a scary gangsta-type, but a total fiddler and fraudster even though I quite liked him. Had money from the state and bills and acommodation paid for while he worked with a false EU ID. He built up a nice pot of cash and if he'd been a bit brighter and realised anyone with a pulse could self cert he'd have probably used his dogdy ID to get a few buy-to-lets.

If I didn't have to worry about paying bills, rent and taxes and had all my time back to fiddle, defraud, wheel and deal, duck and dive I'd probably make a shedload of dosh too.

Actually I was thinking that as well. By any chance do these immigrants live in very cheap council properties or possibly free ones ?

I know someone who was making £150 per week per room she was letting out - which the council rented to her for £80 p.w for the whole flat.

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In 2000, I was 18 and just starting work, I am now 25 and earning the kind of salary that should mean I can buy a fairly nice house, however I can't, Im sorry I didn't buy when I was 18 I know I should have I am a very very bad boy.

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