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Is A Gp Worth 5-12 Teachers Or Nurses?

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Why does the UK have the 2nd highest paid GP's in the world after the USA?

Why do we pay our GP's 3-6 times more than France or Spain? Or 2-4 times more than Germany?

Why do we place our quacks on a pedestal?

Is a GP worth 5 to 12 nurses or teachers?

Do these wage bills have anything to do with the increasing rationing of medicines and staff-cuts in the NHS?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...d=1770&ct=5

Of course, one of the reasons for these pay increases is that fact that medicine is still a maculinized profession. Feminized professions like teaching and nursing are easier to bully into accepting poor conditions and below inflation pay increases.

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Is a GP worth 5 to 12 nurses or teachers?

With respect it's to do with the fact you can fail a degree then go to teacher training and become a teacher, to be a GP takes a serious amount of effort and when you are actually doing the job there is very little danger in you killing somebody when you are a teacher.

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With respect it's to do with the fact you can fail a degree then go to teacher training and become a teacher, to be a GP takes a serious amount of effort and when you are actually doing the job there is very little danger in you killing somebody when you are a teacher.

Yeah. It takes a lot of training to dish out millions of unnecessary antibiotic prescriptions.

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when you are actually doing the job there is very little danger in you killing somebody when you are a teacher.

Very little danger of killing somebody as a GP as well, except through their usual inaction I guess.

I have lots of respect for hospital doctors. None whatsoever for GPs.

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Yeah. It takes a lot of training to dish out millions of unnecessary antibiotic prescriptions.

If you wish to become a GP the race to get into medical school starts at aged 4 when parents pay for a decent prep school.Bags of grade A's and years later, and after having washed away your youth, you become a Doctor......after a while you earn a decent living according to your parents and your financial outlay and on a forum like this you the get a a quote as above.........Just give the antibiotics to a plumber or builder to dish out and it will be half the price!!!! :huh:

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Yeah. It takes a lot of training to dish out millions of unnecessary antibiotic prescriptions.

Yep that is quite bizarre. Why do they keep doing that inspite of the futility when dealing with viral infections and the danger of antibiotic resistance?

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Our GP's earn the 2nd highest salaries in the World.

What's wrong with that picture?

We pay them some 3-5 times what they get paid in France or Spain, and France's healthcare provision is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than ours.

So again, is a GP worth 5 to 10 teachers? Is a GP - who is particularly glad at swinging the system - worth 2 policemen + 2 teacher + 4 nurses?

Is that what you are saying dipsticks? Is it?

So we should pay the highest in Europe? Despite most countries in Europe having better healthcare?

We place them on pedestals and they love it.

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People should become Doctors due it being a vocation not a money spinner. The kind of person attracted to medicine for financial reasons lacks the personality to be a healer IMHO.

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I think as a teacher who spent 5 years qualifying to be an engineer AND teacher, that a doctor is worth a few thou more than me. But there's no way in hell that he's worth 5-10 times me.

Which is why, like most new teaching recruits, I am giving up teaching. It's a woman's job anyway, deliberately feminised because women expect less pay, less parity, and they are easier to bully. In fact, most of your kids are taught by matronly fat-bottomed Barbara Woodhouse type women in their 50's.

If a GP is worth 100k as a minimum, then a teacher or nurse should be worth a minimum of 50k. However, only a head of department or a headmaster earns that kind of money. So again, is Dr Patel worth 100k to 200k? Is he really worth between 4 and 8 policemen or 4 and 10 teachers? No. Course he isn't.

No-one is worth that many men. Many GP's earn more than the PM.

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I think as a teacher who spent 5 years qualifying to be an engineer AND teacher, that a doctor is worth a few thou more than me. But there's no way in hell that he's worth 5-10 times me.

Which is why, like most new teaching recruits, I am giving up teaching. It's a woman's job anyway, deliberately feminised because women expect less pay, less parity, and they are easier to bully. In fact, most of your kids are taught by matronly fat-bottomed Barbara Woodhouse type women in their 50's.

It a GP is worth 100k as a minimum, then a teacher or nurse should be worth a minimum of 50k. Only a head of department or a headmaster earns that kind of money. So again, is Dr Patel worth 100k to 200k? Of course he fecking isn't.

Why are you venting your anger at an educated profession? Compare 10,000 GP's earning £100,000 to 4,000 in the city getting 1M in bonuses....

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I think as a teacher who spent 5 years qualifying to be an engineer AND teacher, that a doctor is worth a few thou more than me. But there's no way in hell that he's worth 5-10 times me.

Which is why, like most new teaching recruits, I am giving up teaching. It's a woman's job anyway, deliberately feminised because women expect less pay, less parity, and they are easier to bully. In fact, most of your kids are taught by matronly fat-bottomed Barbara Woodhouse type women in their 50's.

Unfortunately I have to agree to an extent.

Most teachers I know,have met,have conversed with have NO comprehension whatsoever of the way the system works...although they for the most part are 90% lefty guardian socialist-utopia fantacists.

the modern world is very simple.....read DARWIN,the origin of the species.

it's survival of the fittest.the physical and intellectual stragglers get eaten...it applies to countries as much as to fauna.

dumbing down exams and saying no-such-thing-as-failure is NOT an option...we will find out to our cost.

the choice on offer is really simple.

1)raise your game,be a predator

2)be mediocre,and EATEN.

ps for all socialists out there,trying to defy human nature by micro-managing it is futile....we don't live in an ant colony.Anyway,they swarm once a year too.Give it up!!!

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It's complex.

Being a GP/DR does take 5+ years of fairly vigorous academic training (and lots of hours).

They are increasingly expected to provide a "cure" by the general public - most lower class people visiting will demand a prescription/referral.

We are approaching the litigation status of US.

They are continually pressurised by NHS managers transfixed on "cost reduction" while being wooed by the international drug companies.

They are unfortunately stuck between a rock and a hard place: chav's demanding a cure / middle managers with performance targets / and big business pressurisation.

I for one would not like to be a GP in today's climate.

Two solutions:

1. Automated expert systems that give impartial diagnosis (been around since the 80s and are incredibly effective at delivering a quality of life:risk:value diagnosis)

2. Multi-tier: ie private and ultra private

do let's all try to be a little less "tabloid" on this forum

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It's complex.

And I don't understand complexity.

..do let's all try to be a little less "tabloid" on this forum

I spent 3 years getting my top ten 2:1 BEng and 1 year getting my top ten MEng. And another year getting my top ten PGCE...

Nothing you have said justifies why a UK GP is worth twice as much as a surgeon or 3-5 times a GP in France or Spain. Or 2 to 3 times a GP in Germany.

The fact is, the government cocked up their pay and they are now overpaid.

Don't patronise me sonny. I ain't being tabloid. I am never tabloid. I am just being real.

Sick pay: Massive rise in GPs' salaries worsens NHS cash crisis. The average GP now earns £118,000 a year. This is a staggering rise of 63% in three years. And it gets better: instead of having to care for patients all day, every day, they are now just responsible during office hours (weekdays only). Is it any wonder the NHS is unwell?

Jeremy Laurance : The Independent

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What does a GP do other than stuff a nurse could do?

1. Someone turns up with flu - 'Go away and come back in two weeks if it's still bad...'

2. Someone has mild infection of throat/ear/chest - 'Here have some broad-spectrum anti-biotics'.

4. Someone turn up complaining of severe chest pains or has a dodgy lump somewhere - 'Hmm, I'll make an appointment for you to see a specialist'.

I mean, that's about it.

Honestly, the £250k GP is just nonsense.

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