Furby Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 However, some investors and analysts said the main market driver was a wave of speculative investment. Speculators boosted their net long positions in the New York Mercantile Exchange crude oil market to a record in the week to July 3, data showed.Olivier Jakob, an analyst at Swiss-based Petromatrix, noted the continued rise in prices and open interest -- the number of contracts that have not been closed -- pointed to more investment money flowing into oil in recent days. Citigroup analysts calculated the influx accounted for more than $10 of the price rise since the start of the year, when Brent crude was below $60 a barrel. "Financial players have now firmly moved ahead as the main near-term driver of oil prices," Citigroup said. http://www.reuters.com/article/hotStocksNe...0070710?sp=true The only way is up for oil as investors look for a safe haven for their fiat after the CDO fallout. Inflation, inflation , inflation..... F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Sacks Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I don't think there were many here who didn't foresee prices reaching this level, back in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnd Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) the inflation caused by ever increasing oil prices will have a worldwide impact an inevitable worldwide recession would cause a drop in demand for oil this is the 70's all over again - but permanant this time around... Edited July 10, 2007 by dnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffo the Bear Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 wouldn't a worldwide recession cause a drop in demand for oil? Not until they tighten up on the credit that enables it to be bought even though the purchaser may have 0 or minus balance. I'm beginning to realise just how fascinating the whole interlinking of different factors within the world economy is; it's like a giant house of cards with a sneaky little man at the bottom wiggling a few cards here and there, just to see what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPC Convert Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) the inflation caused by ever increasing oil prices will have a worldwide impactan inevitable worldwide recession would cause a drop in demand for oil this is the 70's all over again - but permanant this time around... You mention a drop in demand - what do we replace it with? Edited July 10, 2007 by HPC Convert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnd Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) Not until they tighten up on the credit that enables it to be bought even though the purchaser may have 0 or minus balance. bis in recent reports has warned that the central banks are going to bring this party to a halt soon maybe they see the dwindling supplies of oil as a catalyst if supply dries up as a result of rapid global expansion then it could cause major problems it might also explain the co2 'global warming' worldwide government campaigns to ween us off fossil fuels (and alleged death threats to scientists opposing mainstream pov) Edited July 10, 2007 by dnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnd Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 You mention a drop in demand - what do we replace it with? recession = less activity = less oil used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyMe Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 CRB index breaking out to the upside again. http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_CR&v=d12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy Tail Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 (edited) the inflation caused by ever increasing oil prices will have a worldwide impactan inevitable worldwide recession would cause a drop in demand for oil this is the 70's all over again - but permanant this time around... I seem to recall reading that a 5% (or thereabouts) shortfall of oil in the 70's resulted in a 200-400% increase at the petrol pumps. Since Gharwar, Cantarrel, Burgan, Texas, North Sea etc etc etc are all at peak and Iraq is perhaps pre-peak or plateau, our suffering is likely to be greater this time. Since we had to war for it, we must have really been in the shit. IF we had to engineer the collapse of some skyscrapers and the destruction of a few trains to demonize those that have the oil (and those that wouldn't allow a gas pipeline) we must really well and truly be in the shit. “What people need to hear loud and clear is that we're running out of energy in America.” —George W. Bush, May 2001 George Bush is a *******, but he's no dummy. Edited July 11, 2007 by Bushy Tail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Reaver Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 You mention a drop in demand - what do we replace it with? As it becomes more exspensive familys with two or three cars drop to one, people look for lifts to work instead of taking their own car. More people use buses and less people go on that short CHEAP flight to Spain. One person doing this does not have any effect at all! 40 million people doing it and you have less demand. It does not get replaced it gets used less. Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 (edited) Invading Iraq was more to do with Sadam producing too much oil and above the OPEC quota and then trying to sell it in euro's and invasion was not an attempt to bring stability to the price of oil as Bush & Co have vast oil interests and can you guess what way they want the price to go. in that respect Bush Bush has achived his goals but it's the american people and us that will be paying the price. Hugo Chav has offered to sell oil to the world at a fraction of the current price and this is why he was kidnapped and why Bush wants him stopped. Alex Jones and peak oil it's all very simple and do check out what i say Edited July 11, 2007 by Justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sign_of_the_times Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 how many days before it breaks the $78 barrel record last year ? reminds me, when are the inflation figures out and what are your predictions ? I say no change from last month but wouldn't be surprised with a rise (food) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrphil Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 I thought the BOE said the drop in oil prices was going to help the inflation figures, but year on year they seem to be pretty equal to this time last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Nice Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 recession = less activity = less oil used Not neccessarily. In the past industry used a great deal of oil now most oil is used in transport and manufacturing, it would take a depression to have a serious impact on consumption. In the 70's oil crisis industry moved away from oil power there is little scope for this again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy Tail Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Invading Iraq was more to do with Sadam producing too much oil and above the OPEC quota and then trying to sell it in euro's and invasion was not an attempt to bring stability to the price of oil as Bush & Co have vast oil interests and can you guess what way they want the price to go.in that respect Bush Bush has achived his goals but it's the american people and us that will be paying the price. Hugo Chav has offered to sell oil to the world at a fraction of the current price and this is why he was kidnapped and why Bush wants him stopped. Alex Jones and peak oil it's all very simple and do check out what i say I love Alex Jones, but he's wrong about Peak Oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy Tail Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 bis in recent reports has warned that the central banks are going to bring this party to a halt soonmaybe they see the dwindling supplies of oil as a catalyst if supply dries up as a result of rapid global expansion then it could cause major problems it might also explain the co2 'global warming' worldwide government campaigns to ween us off fossil fuels (and alleged death threats to scientists opposing mainstream pov) BINGO! It totally explains it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellerkat Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 The price is in dollars! The increase isn't so bad in £, ¥, €. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skomer Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 how many days before it breaks the $78 barrel record last year ?reminds me, when are the inflation figures out and what are your predictions ? I say no change from last month but wouldn't be surprised with a rise (food) Just wait till the hurricane season really kicks in, say in August or September. Watch the price go ballistic when a category 4 or 5 starts to aim for the Gulf Oil fields or the Texas refinaries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 (edited) http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wo...l=la-home-world MEXICAN REGIME'S OIL UNDER ATTACK Edited July 11, 2007 by gruffydd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 (edited) Invading Iraq was more to do with Sadam producing too much oil and above the OPEC quota and then trying to sell it in euro's and invasion was not an attempt to bring stability to the price of oil as Bush & Co have vast oil interests and can you guess what way they want the price to go. in that respect Bush Bush has achived his goals but it's the american people and us that will be paying the price. I'm afraid that's a little simplistic. The war with iraq was NOT about oil....the fact bush and his chums have interests in oil companies and arms dealers is merely a bonus for them. the REAL war is about global religeous domination,combined with economic domination. want to know why....a)TB suddenly converted to RC after he left office....met with the pope. b)Dubya recently met the pope c)Putin recently met the pope 4)Dubya recently met putin 5)the muslims are calling dubya a "crusader" these events ARE connected,you just have to do a little research. Any belief OR financial system that seeks to achieve total world domination by conquest are dangerous. Looks like we have an unholy mess dead ahead. ps from a really unholy point of view I've heard that a technical turning point(south) in the Bourses could be approximately JUL 21,give or take a few days.....this seems to concur with some astrology indicating a breakout in hostilities around this period...JUL 17-AUG 1 looks like the window. Edited July 11, 2007 by oracle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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