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Please please no one do the 'relative poverty' line, 'cos in relation to this country's economic wealth and power this is as much a relative disgrace as anywhere on planet earth IMHO :(

UK families in severe poverty live on an average of £7000 a year

date published: 19/06/2007

Nearly 1.3 million children living in severe poverty in the UK, the fourth richest country in the world, according to a new report. For a couple with a child that means living on an average of £7000 a year, or less than £134 a week. This is well below the national average income of £19,000 a year.

An income of £7000 means that a family has only £19 per day to cover electricity and gas, phones, other bills, food, clothes, washing, transport, health needs as well as activities for children and all other essential items. Save the Children believes it is an outrage that in such a wealthy country, parents are struggling to get by on such low incomes and children are missing out on basic things like living in a warm house, having a proper diet or going on a school trip.

Using a new measure that combines household incomes with adult and child deprivation, the report calculates that 10.5 per cent of children or 1.3 million live in severe poverty

Published a week before Gordon Brown becomes Prime Minister, child poverty has been one of Gordon Brown’s flagship issues and he has repeatedly said that children will be at the heart of his government’s policy. However, current predictions show that the government are way off track on meeting their targets of halving child poverty by 2010. Radical action is needed to tackle severe child poverty if they want to achieve this seminal target and give children in the UK the best possible start in life.

“There are more than one million children living in families with incomes a long way short of the poverty line and lacking real basics. Save the Children has argued that the government must direct greater resources towards this critical group. The government have taken important steps to target child poverty, but more action is needed, particularly to help those facing the most severe deprivation†Adair Turner, a former Chair of the Low Pay Commission, said.

http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/scuk/jsp...section=details

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In 1997, Peter Mandelson said in a speech to the Fabian Society: "I say to the doubters, judge us after 10 years in office. For one of the fruits of that success will be that Britain has become a more equal society. However, we will have achieved that result by many different routes, not just the redistribution of cash from rich to poor, which others choose as their own limited version of egalitarianism ..."

http://society.guardian.co.uk/socialexclus...2093173,00.html

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In 1997, Peter Mandelson said in a speech to the Fabian Society: "I say to the doubters, judge us after 10 years in office. For one of the fruits of that success will be that Britain has become a more equal society. However, we will have achieved that result by many different routes, not just the redistribution of cash from rich to poor, which others choose as their own limited version of egalitarianism ..."

http://society.guardian.co.uk/socialexclus...2093173,00.html

They didn't deal with the real estate issue, nobody ever does and this is why every attempt to help the poor has essentially failed

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Politicians wont deal with the land issue as they, and the people they pay for them to be elected, are member of the rich landowning elite who profit from the current system.

Keeping the current system in place is so important to the rich landlord elite that they even have a way of overriding parliment if parliment was to make a law that disadvantaged them in any way. It's call the house of landlords.

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Please please no one do the 'relative poverty' line, 'cos in relation to this country's economic wealth and power this is as much a relative disgrace as anywhere on planet earth IMHO :(

UK families in severe poverty live on an average of £7000 a year

date published: 19/06/2007

Nearly 1.3 million children living in severe poverty in the UK, the fourth richest country in the world, according to a new report. For a couple with a child that means living on an average of £7000 a year, or less than £134 a week. This is well below the national average income of £19,000 a year.

An income of £7000 means that a family has only £19 per day to cover electricity and gas, phones, other bills, food, clothes, washing, transport, health needs as well as activities for children and all other essential items. Save the Children believes it is an outrage that in such a wealthy country, parents are struggling to get by on such low incomes and children are missing out on basic things like living in a warm house, having a proper diet or going on a school trip.

Using a new measure that combines household incomes with adult and child deprivation, the report calculates that 10.5 per cent of children or 1.3 million live in severe poverty

Published a week before Gordon Brown becomes Prime Minister, child poverty has been one of Gordon Brown’s flagship issues and he has repeatedly said that children will be at the heart of his government’s policy. However, current predictions show that the government are way off track on meeting their targets of halving child poverty by 2010. Radical action is needed to tackle severe child poverty if they want to achieve this seminal target and give children in the UK the best possible start in life.

“There are more than one million children living in families with incomes a long way short of the poverty line and lacking real basics. Save the Children has argued that the government must direct greater resources towards this critical group. The government have taken important steps to target child poverty, but more action is needed, particularly to help those facing the most severe deprivation†Adair Turner, a former Chair of the Low Pay Commission, said.

http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/scuk/jsp...section=details

This is a scandal. We're a 1st world country and it's the 21st century - shouldn't be happening!

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This is a scandal. We're a 1st world country and it's the 21st century - shouldn't be happening!

When you understand what a charade politics is, you cease to be amazed

The whole process will be repeated when Cameron gets the top job..................and so it goes on

Switch off the tube

Get on the web and find out for yourselves who the people running the world really are

Stop expecting political parties to resolve all these social problems. It wont happen...in fact it's gonna get worse....much worse.

The entire sociopolitical system of the UK is an aberration, a sick joke.

As far as changing things................the first thing is to get as many people as possible to educate themselves. READ for fekks sake!!

Our freedom and liberty and the protection of our privacy is being rapidly undermined by the Orwellians running the world. We are very close now to losing our freedom altogether and most people don't realize it.

Most people are too distracted by the shite on television or Hello magazine to relize they are being raped by the people they put into power.

I was amused by the recent decision to rename the judicial half of the Home Office to THE MINISTRY OF JUSTICE!!!!!! I'm sure the person who made the decision to rename it must be chucking to himself, obviously reminded by a misspent youth reading Judge Dread comics. It's almost as if they are goading the more enlightened, confirming their worst fears that the UK is indeed sliding into a totalitarianism nightmare of internet survelliance, ID cards. cameras in your wheelie bin.

If you really wanna understand how the media is complicit in brainwashing the masses to believe they are free, go down to your local video store and hire out Network (Jane Fonda, William Holden 1976 - Director, Sidney Lumet). This film is 30 years ahead of its time.

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In 1997, Peter Mandelson said in a speech to the Fabian Society: "I say to the doubters, judge us after 10 years in office. For one of the fruits of that success will be that Britain has become a more equal society. However, we will have achieved that result by many different routes, not just the redistribution of cash from rich to poor, which others choose as their own limited version of egalitarianism ..."

http://society.guardian.co.uk/socialexclus...2093173,00.html

If there's one person who absolutely makes my skin crawl, it's Mandelson. A slimy slug slithering on a film of his own saliva

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When you understand what a charade politics is, you cease to be amazed

The whole process will be repeated when Cameron gets the top job..................and so it goes on

Switch off the tube

Get on the web and find out for yourselves who the people running the world really are

Stop expecting political parties to resolve all these social problems. It wont happen...in fact it's gonna get worse....much worse.

The entire sociopolitical system of the UK is an aberration, a sick joke.

As far as changing things................the first thing is to get as many people as possible to educate themselves. READ for fekks sake!!

Our freedom and liberty and the protection of our privacy is being rapidly undermined by the Orwellians running the world. We are very close now to losing our freedom altogether and most people don't realize it.

Most people are too distracted by the shite on television or Hello magazine to relize they are being raped by the people they put into power.

I was amused by the recent decision to rename the judicial half of the Home Office to THE MINISTRY OF JUSTICE!!!!!! I'm sure the person who made the decision to rename it must be chucking to himself, obviously reminded by a misspent youth reading Judge Dread comics. It's almost as if they are goading the more enlightened, confirming their worst fears that the UK is indeed sliding into a totalitarianism nightmare of internet survelliance, ID cards. cameras in your wheelie bin.

If you really wanna understand how the media is complicit in brainwashing the masses to believe they are free, go down to your local video store and hire out Network (Jane Fonda, William Holden 1976 - Director, Sidney Lumet). This film is 30 years ahead of its time.

or 1984 Ministry of Truth

War is Peace (see previous posters taglines for Bush)

Freedom is Slavery [ie freedom to buy gadgets, read mags, go shopping, all on the debt]

am I just an old pessimistic fart though?

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Please please no one do the 'relative poverty' line, 'cos in relation to this country's economic wealth and power this is as much a relative disgrace as anywhere on planet earth IMHO :(

UK families in severe poverty live on an average of £7000 a year

date published: 19/06/2007

Nearly 1.3 million children living in severe poverty in the UK, the fourth richest country in the world, according to a new report. For a couple with a child that means living on an average of £7000 a year, or less than £134 a week. This is well below the national average income of £19,000 a year.

An income of £7000 means that a family has only £19 per day to cover electricity and gas, phones, other bills, food, clothes, washing, transport, health needs as well as activities for children and all other essential items. Save the Children believes it is an outrage that in such a wealthy country, parents are struggling to get by on such low incomes and children are missing out on basic things like living in a warm house, having a proper diet or going on a school trip.

Using a new measure that combines household incomes with adult and child deprivation, the report calculates that 10.5 per cent of children or 1.3 million live in severe poverty

Published a week before Gordon Brown becomes Prime Minister, child poverty has been one of Gordon Brown’s flagship issues and he has repeatedly said that children will be at the heart of his government’s policy. However, current predictions show that the government are way off track on meeting their targets of halving child poverty by 2010. Radical action is needed to tackle severe child poverty if they want to achieve this seminal target and give children in the UK the best possible start in life.

“There are more than one million children living in families with incomes a long way short of the poverty line and lacking real basics. Save the Children has argued that the government must direct greater resources towards this critical group. The government have taken important steps to target child poverty, but more action is needed, particularly to help those facing the most severe deprivation†Adair Turner, a former Chair of the Low Pay Commission, said.

http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/scuk/jsp...section=details

Maybe this should read the first debt richest country in the world

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If there's one person who absolutely makes my skin crawl, it's Mandelson. A slimy slug slithering on a film of his own saliva

I always seem to be a minority of one on this but I actually rate Mandelson higher than most of the rest of new Labour put together. If you read that quote of his from 97 "...not just the redistribution of cash from rich to poor, which others choose as their own limited version of egalitarianism..." it could be seen as a direct criticism of the Gordon Brown approach to tackling poverty.

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I thought it had been established long ago by the more extreme bullish types here that those on low incomes should be burnt on a huge pyre. Non contributary and therefore without any value, beyond maybe being processed into dog meat.

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or 1984 Ministry of Truth

War is Peace (see previous posters taglines for Bush)

Freedom is Slavery [ie freedom to buy gadgets, read mags, go shopping, all on the debt]

am I just an old pessimistic fart though?

NO!

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They didn't deal with the real estate issue, nobody ever does and this is why every attempt to help the poor has essentially failed

I am not sure. In the coming property crash a lot of middle/lower upperclass wealth will be wiped out. So the poor who could not

afford to get on the property cliff first place sort of catch up. I am writing as one of them. :lol: Although, my bank clearly thought

I should get on the cliff, but I knew I couldn't afford it.

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Okay we need to face up to some truths. Parents who earn 7000 pounds a year are unlikely to be intelligent, hard working, ambitious, or even in the slightest bit good parents. Of course there will be some cases that break the rule but in my opinion the better tactic would be to remove children from junkie, criminal, unemployed, smokey alcoholic families and let them be adopted by more suitable parents. You can throw as much money as you want at bad parents the child still won't turn out to be a respectable, ecomically active person. It is giving out too many benefits and making it too easy to live by not working your whole life that has created this problem.

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Okay we need to face up to some truths. Parents who earn 7000 pounds a year are unlikely to be intelligent, hard working, ambitious, or even in the slightest bit good parents. Of course there will be some cases that break the rule but in my opinion the better tactic would be to remove children from junkie, criminal, unemployed, smokey alcoholic families and let them be adopted by more suitable parents. You can throw as much money as you want at bad parents the child still won't turn out to be a respectable, ecomically active person. It is giving out too many benefits and making it too easy to live by not working your whole life that has created this problem.

This is not a topic to discussion here.

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Okay we need to face up to some truths. Parents who earn 7000 pounds a year are unlikely to be intelligent, hard working, ambitious, or even in the slightest bit good parents. Of course there will be some cases that break the rule but in my opinion the better tactic would be to remove children from junkie, criminal, unemployed, smokey alcoholic families and let them be adopted by more suitable parents. You can throw as much money as you want at bad parents the child still won't turn out to be a respectable, ecomically active person. It is giving out too many benefits and making it too easy to live by not working your whole life that has created this problem.

Maybe these bad parents should be killed in front of their children to teach them that those who fall short of nohpc's standards shall not be tolerated.

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Its because we have a debt based money (well, credit) supply. It is (and those who lend it are) the root of all evil, as Eric Pebble will tesify.

Take a look around you. We are an incredibly rich country, there are people, buildings and infrastructure ready and waiting to solve so much of the problems we face as a society. The reason nothing gets done is because "there isn't enough money to do it". This is madness. We are slaves to a system that benifits no-one except the financial services "industry". How is it that a "business" that does nothing except create digits in computers can control everything we do and how we live. It's just shit.

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Its because we have a debt based money (well, credit) supply. It is (and those who lend it are) the root of all evil, as Eric Pebble will tesify.

Take a look around you. We are an incredibly rich country, there are people, buildings and infrastructure ready and waiting to solve so much of the problems we face as a society. The reason nothing gets done is because "there isn't enough money to do it". This is madness. We are slaves to a system that benifits no-one except the financial services "industry". How is it that a "business" that does nothing except create digits in computers can control everything we do and how we live. It's just shit.

We are an nicredible rich country with significant nifrastructure, but high land prices means the benefits of the infrastructure go to the big land owners, rather than to the country.

Were screwed because most of the land is owned by a small number of people.

We have plenty of money, it's just in the hands of a few maga-rich people.

What we need is a revolution to remove the mega-rich land owners and hand control back to the normal people of britain.

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We are an nicredible rich country with significant nifrastructure, but high land prices means the benefits of the infrastructure go to the big land owners, rather than to the country.

Were screwed because most of the land is owned by a small number of people.

We have plenty of money, it's just in the hands of a few maga-rich people.

What we need is a revolution to remove the mega-rich land owners and hand control back to the normal people of britain.

I completely agree. But if you allow the banks to be able to create money out of nothing again afterwards, you'll soon end up back with the same problems as before... except this time the banks will own everything.

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Part of the problem is that in the past poor people did not pay tax and now they do. We need to raise tax allowances so people earning less than £9k pa do not pay tax - sadly this is unlikely to happen.

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Maybe these bad parents should be killed in front of their children to teach them that those who fall short of nohpc's standards shall not be tolerated.

Yea because that's not blowing what I said completely out of proportion :rolleyes:

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It's safest to assume that governments will fail at almost everything they set out to do, then restrict them to doing the absolute minimum, rather than sucking up nearly 50% of the money in the country to waste. Government's primary goal is to suck up more money and power, and the easiest way to do that is to do a bad job and then demand more money and power so they can do a better one; of course they never do.

Big government is like King Midas, except that everything it touches turns to crap.

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