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I noticed a property advert on the Telegraph site, Savills have started flogging property in the "ruggedly spectacular" Northern Cyprus. It's amazing how "cheap" property can be when illegally built in an internationally unrecognised state and on occupied land! They guarantee your rent for two years, after that, who knows, maybe someone from South turns up to rightfully claim his title to the land?

What next? Luxury apartments on the Gaza Strip?

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It's hardly the Gaza strip!!!! There 's no wars, riots, violence etc.

It's still occupied land, a couple of years ago only dodgy operators were pushing property in the north and prices were very cheap so it could be seen as a calculated gamble. Maybe you could offset a few years holidaying against it eventually being taken off you.

Anyway, now Savills are in on the game, you'd think they'd know better. I sense lots of indignant middle-class people and claims of misselling within a few short years.

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Yep, its all illegally occupied stolen land, but the international community has been completely spineless in dealing with Turkey, which is currently plummetting headlong into becoming another Islamic state. It is the most militarised area in Europe, I think Turkey have got around 35,000 troops there, so their ill gotten gains (and any speculators' wanting to invest in northern Cypriot property) should be fairly safe.

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I heard that an American called Rachel Corrie got a flat there.*

* Too soon?

That's a sick joke, if you don't mind me saying so tahoma.

General comment [not directed at tahoma]

Funny how there never seems to be an issue regards land ownership in Southern Cyprus? Is it a case of Turkish Cypriots driven North being landless, or is it just biased reporting. I suggest people read up on the history surrounding the partition of Cyprus before they take as gospel the opinion of others on public forums.

Been to both Northern and Southern Cyprus, and hence read up on its post WW2 history, must say I liked the North better because it was less commercialised.

Whilst on holiday in N. Cyprus, I got talking to an ex national service man [also on holiday] who served in Cyprus during the occupation by the British [shock horror how dare the Turkish send their army to Cyprus] He said the Turks more than the Greeks give the Brits hell......good on them I say.

I like to think any army of occupation gets its @rse kicked by the locals, as I'd do the same if we were occupied [not now obviously as I'm past it ] :rolleyes:

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still on topic (just) my bro in law has a place in Damascus which he reckons has inflated by 1000% since 2003 - wealthy Iraquis fleeing there for safety, I've heard news reports re. Kabul lately and the news journos have stated that prices have ballooned there due to 'war' :blink::(

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Yep, its all illegally occupied stolen land, but the international community has been completely spineless in dealing with Turkey, which is currently plummetting headlong into becoming another Islamic state. It is the most militarised area in Europe, I think Turkey have got around 35,000 troops there, so their ill gotten gains (and any speculators' wanting to invest in northern Cypriot property) should be fairly safe.

Can I suggest that you pull your head out of your backside and read history first before posting such rubbish on public forums?

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net

THE EVENTS OF 1974

In 1971 General Grivas returned to Cyprus to form EOKA-B, which was again committed to making Cyprus a wholly Greek island and annexing it to Greece. In a speech to the Greek Cypriot armed forces (Quoted in "New Cyprus" May 1987), Grivas said. "The Greek forces from Greece have come to Cyprus in order to impose the will of the Greeks of Cyprus upon the Turks. We want ENOSIS but the Turks are against it. We shall impose our will. We are strong and we shall do so."

Greek Invasion

By 15th July 1974 a powerful force of mainland Greek troops had assembled in Cyprus and with their backing the Greek Cypriot National Guard overthrew Makarios and installed Nicos Sampson as "President." On 22nd July Washington Star News reported: "Bodies littered the streets and there were mass burials... People told by Makarios to lay down their guns were shot by the National Guard."

Turkish Cypriots appealed to the Guarantor powers for help, but only Turkey was willing to make any effective response. The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on 26th February 1981 in which he said "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

Even Greek Cypriots sought Turkey's help. In her memoirs, Greek Cypriot MP Rina Katselli, says "16th July 1974 Is Makarios alive? Is he dead? The Makarios supporters arrested, the EOKA-B supporters freed... I did not shed a tear, why should I? Did the stupidity and fanaticism deserve a tear? There are some who beg Turkey to intervene. They prefer the intervention of Turkey." 18th July 1974 "My God!... Everyone is frozen with fear...the old man who asked for the body of his son was shot on the spot..The tortures and executions at the central prison... everyone is frozen with horror. Nothing is sacred to these people, and they call themselves Greeks!... we must not keep that name any longer."

Turkey Responds

In his book "The Way the Wind Blows" former British Prime Minister, Sir Alec Douglas-Home said "I was convinced that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island."

US Under-Secretary of State, George Ball, said "Makarios central interest was to block off Turkish intervention so that he and his Greek Cypriots could go on happily massacring Turkish Cypriots"

"Turkish Cypriots, who had suffered from physical attacks since 1963, called on the guarantor powers to prevent a Greek conquest of the island. When Britain did nothing Turkey invaded Cyprus and occupied its northern part." (Daily Telegraph 15.8.96)

Turkey (at that time led by the Social Democrat Prime Minister Bülent Ecevit) sent troops to Cyprus on 20th July 1974.

"On 20th July 1974 Turkey intervened under Article IV of the Treaty of Guarantee" - (UK Foreign & Commonwealth Office doc. CPS/75. Jan., 1987).

"Turkey exercised its right of intervention in accordance with Article IV of the Guarantee Treaty of 1960." (Resolution 573, Standing Committee of the Consultative Assembly of the Council of Europe, 29th July 1974).

More Massacres of Turkish Cypriots

In the village of Tokhni on 14th August 1974 all the Turkish Cypriot men between the ages of 13 and 74, except for eighteen who managed to escape, were taken away and shot. (Times, Guardian, 21st August)

In Zyyi on the same day all the Turkish-Cypriot men aged between 19 and 38 were taken away by Greek-Cypriots and were never seen again. On the same day Greek-Cypriots opened fire in the Turkish-Cypriot neighbourhood of Paphos killing men, women, and children indiscriminately. On 23rd July 1974 the Washington Post reported "In a Greek raid on a small Turkish village near Limassol 36 people out of a population of 200 were killed. The Greeks said that they had been given orders to kill the inhabitants of the Turkish villages before the Turkish forces arrived." (See also Times, Guardian, 23rd July).

"The Greeks began to shell the Turkish quarter on Saturday, refugees said. Kazan DerviÕs, a Turkish Cypriot girl aged 15, said she had been staying with her uncle. The (Greek Cypriot) National Guard came into the Turkish sector and shooting began. She saw her uncle and other relatives taken away as prisoners, and later heard her uncle had been shot." (Times 23.7.74)

On 28th July the New York Times reported that 14 Turkish-Cypriot men had been shot in Alaminos. On 24th July 1974 "France Soir" reported "The Greeks burned Turkish mosques and set fire to Turkish homes in the villages around Famagusta. Defenceless Turkish villagers who have no weapons live in an atmosphere of terror and they evacuate their homes and go and live in tere a shame to humanity."

"Turkey intervened to protect the lives and property of the Turkish-Cypriots, and to its credit it has done just that. In the 12 years since, there have been no killings and no massacres" Lord Willis (Lab.) House of Lords 17th December 1986 (Hansard, col.223)

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Can I suggest that you pull your head out of your backside and read history first before posting such rubbish on public forums?

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net

Ah constructive historical evidence..............no we don't want any of that thank you ...........move along now ...nothing to see here. :rolleyes:

Well posted that man, both the comment and the link.

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This is quite unbelievable. Really shocking. I know several families originally from Cyprus and I doubt they'd be too impressed at this news.

I suppose Inside Track will have a go at sneaking British property 'investors' into Famagusta next.

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As some of you may know, I am a refugee from Cyprus - kicked out in 1974 during the invasion. I spend a good few months of the year back out there in my (new) house...the old house (and 30 acres of land) is in Famagusta town - a military zone that has been untouched since the invasion. I can see it from the border but can't go there.

All I would say without getting into a propaganda war is that not all land in the occupied North is owned by Greek-Cypriots, so it doesn't follow that you'd be buying a Greek Cypriot's land; the problem is that the North is not an internationally recognised 'state', as the Turks would have you believe. Turkey alone recognises it. Until that issue is resolved, which may involve returning land to rightful owners, only a fool would buy there. Savills are just one of many agents exploiting the situation.

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This is quite unbelievable. Really shocking. I know several families originally from Cyprus and I doubt they'd be too impressed at this news.

I suppose Inside Track will have a go at sneaking British property 'investors' into Famagusta next.

Whatever you do, PLEASE don`t have anything to do with Inside Track - they are so uncertain about the morality of what they are doing that they actually gave my £2500 back! :blink::lol:;)

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Is it not the case when an UK based agent represents property sales on disputed land in Northern Cyprus, they are breaking International Law?

Why are the Foreign Office not on the case? I am sure we must have a British High Commission in Cyprus. What are they doing about it?

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I noticed a property advert on the Telegraph site, Savills have started flogging property in the "ruggedly spectacular" Northern Cyprus. It's amazing how "cheap" property can be when illegally built in an internationally unrecognised state and on occupied land! They guarantee your rent for two years, after that, who knows, maybe someone from South turns up to rightfully claim his title to the land?

Digging round on the internet suggests that title to the land Savills are trying offload is currently in Turkish Cypriot hands and was before 1974 making the sale legally recognisable.

BBC news did an article on investing in northern Cyprus a few years back really indicates just how toxic buying disputed title property is and how silly some investors owners tenants have been. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4440983.stm

Britons Linda and David Orams finished building their dream holiday home three years ago, in a village a few miles west of Kyrenia (Girne in Turkish), overlooking the coast of the unrecognised state of northern Cyprus.
"We heard about a Greek Cypriot lawyer preparing to take action... but we never thought for a minute it would be us he came after," said Mrs Orams.
A Cypriot court has now ordered the Orams to
demolish their house, return the land, and pay "rent" for the time they lived there
. The ruling has rattled the communities of sellers, buyers and builders enjoying good times in the north.
That is a concern for companies like Aga Development, engaged in the biggest building project in the north, an entire village being assembled at Arapkoy.
Of the 335 sold so far, about
85% have gone to British buyers
.
Developers tell potential buyers that the Orams ruling - delivered in a court south of Cyprus's green line - is unenforceable in the north, and that any unification settlement will have to recognise the status quo.
Some compensation may be payable under such a settlement.
Last year's UN Annan plan recommended an assessment based on 1974 values.
She and her husband have applied for the case in Cyprus to be heard again.
But if the courts uphold their original judgement, lawyer Mr Candounas says he will use
Cyprus' new EU membership to try to have the judgement registered in the UK, and will go after the Orams' assets there.

So buy disputed land in northern Cyprus and they can come after you in the UK under english law, bet the sales agents of disputed developments aren't mentioning that in the brochures. :ph34r:

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