The Irish Land League

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Seeing that landlordism appears to be in the ascendancy, perhaps it's time to kick off another campaign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_National_Land_League

We need to nip the re-emergence of landlordism in the bud!

Edited June 9, 2007 by gruffydd

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Tenant farmers these days HAVE to pay the rent set by the landlord in money.

In feudal times, they paid a percentage of their produce.

MMmmmmm - the latter actually sounds more progressive.

Anti-landlord sentiment should be ratcheted up again - against BTL landlords and second homers.

Edited June 10, 2007 by gruffydd

[southsea13]

Tenant farmers these days HAVE to pay the rent set by the landlord in money.

In feudal times, they paid a percentage of their produce.

MMmmmmm - the latter actually sounds more progressive.

Anti-landlord sentiment should be ratcheted up again - against BTL landlords and second homers.

Agreed - esp BTL Scum

[IP Newcomer]

Seeing that landlordism appears to be in the ascendancy, perhaps it's time to kick off another campaign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_National_Land_League

We need to nip the re-emergence of landlordism in the bud!

It was helped by the fact that many of the landlords had a different nationality and religion - and in the west a different language.

"Landlordism" is providing a service. The fact that it's provided by numpties is the issue, not the service itself.

[southsea13]

It was helped by the fact that many of the landlords had a different nationality and religion - and in the west a different language.

"Landlordism" is providing a service. The fact that it's provided by numpties is the issue, not the service itself.

BS

[Fancypants]

Anti-landlord sentiment should be ratcheted up again - against BTL landlords and second homers.

I think it is, slowly, coming round again.

[HPC Convert]

I think it is, slowly, coming round again.

Millions of people rent. If they object they can always cancel their tenancy agreements. Possibly homelessness may stand in the way of sentiment, but its always worth asking them to participate.

[BuyingBear]

Irish independence was predominately about the land, people get too caught up with religion (though the landlords were protestant), after independence provided you could prove your plastic paddy credentials you used to be allocated land, and there is no council tax. In England we still operate under unreformed feudal control with the same families owning huge chunks of the country disproportionate to their 'status'.

[BuyingBear]

"Landlordism" is providing a service. The fact that it's provided by numpties is the issue, not the service itself.

Along with usury landlords have for centuries been recognised as being parasitic scum living off unearned income, and for good reason, they provide no economic value added that wouldn't have taken place anyway, they do not create wealth, they merely transfer it from poorer people in a zero sum game, people that actually have to undertake productive work. If it wasn't for BTL'ers interceding and inflating prices then FTB'ers would be buying the same houses for themselves.

Modern landlordism/BTL is a form of modern day feudal taxation.

[HPC Convert]

Along with usury landlords have for centuries been recognised as being parasitic scum living off unearned income, and for good reason, they provide no economic value added that wouldn't have taken place anyway, they do not create wealth, they merely transfer it from poorer people in a zero sum game, people that actually have to undertake productive work. If it wasn't for BTL'ers interceding and inflating prices then FTB'ers would be buying the same houses for themselves.

Modern landlordism/BTL is a form of modern day feudal taxation.

If BTL landlords did not exist then many properties (2 bed flats in particular) would not be built. All the jobs and taxes would not be present in the construction process. As the tenancy begins, the landlord pays agents, repair people and all the rest of it and this gets fed back into the economy. If the BTL landlord sells he pays some tax and re-invests, saves or spends his profit - all of which finds its way back into the economy. Therefore they do creat wealth. As for whether FTB would simply stand in their shoes if BTL were not present - i doubt it. Most have little cash.

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Along with usury landlords have for centuries been recognised as being parasitic scum living off unearned income, and for good reason, they provide no economic value added that wouldn't have taken place anyway, they do not create wealth, they merely transfer it from poorer people in a zero sum game, people that actually have to undertake productive work. If it wasn't for BTL'ers interceding and inflating prices then FTB'ers would be buying the same houses for themselves.

Modern landlordism/BTL is a form of modern day feudal taxation.

WELL SAID

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It was helped by the fact that many of the landlords had a different nationality and religion - and in the west a different language.

"Landlordism" is providing a service. The fact that it's provided by numpties is the issue, not the service itself.

I'm sure the rack-renting landlords of yore made the same claim when confronted by Michael Davitt and Co. - "we're nice really, just providing a service"

Charles Stewart Parnell was a protestant of English extraction, as were many of his supporters together with a huge number of Ulster protestants who supported the aims of the Land League (initially at least).

"The Orange Order's complex nature is also shown by the events of 1881 when it was possible for the Land league to hold a meeting in the local Orange hall at Loughgall. Michael Davitt told the crowd that the "landlords of Ireland are all of one religion - their God is mammon and rack-rents, and evictions their only morality, while the toilers of the fields, whether Orangemen, Catholics, Presbyterians or Methodists are the victims".

Edited June 10, 2007 by gruffydd

[Guest casaloco]

People don't need to cancel their tennancy and more out and become homeless, they can just change the locks and stop paying their rent.

Send a note saying they have move out and retrn the original keys!

then Squat.

It's take the Landlord 12 months to get you out.... if thye are lucky. If enough people do it the courts will be so overloaded it coud take a decade to get someone out!!!

[BuyingBear]

If BTL landlords did not exist then many properties (2 bed flats in particular) would not be built.

And people would live in tents instead? Your argument doesn't hold water.

[Eriadus]

The land reforms in Ireland during the 20s and 30s got rid of most of the landlord scum. The ones who were known to be decent were usually left alone apart from losing most of their land (which was taken from others anyhow) while the real parasites were burned out and sometimes killed.

I'm no socialist but something that has always disgusted me is that the richest Briton is in that position thanks to a family wedding some time during the 1500s if I'm not mistaken.

[Green Bear]

The land reforms in Ireland during the 20s and 30s got rid of most of the landlord scum. The ones who were known to be decent were usually left alone apart from losing most of their land (which was taken from others anyhow) while the real parasites were burned out and sometimes killed.

Another contributory factor that finished off that class was world war one, when most of the heirs were killed.

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Oh have you been to Avondale and lingered in her lovely vale...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stewart_Parnell

[crashmonitor]

Yep,when Ireland became independent the English landlords had their property confiscated.Anybody got an Irish landlord?Time for repairations,don't pay the rent and claim you are taking back what Paddy stole off your Great great Grandfather.

Edited June 11, 2007 by crashmonitor

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Anglo-Irish, not English - there is a distinct difference!

[crashmonitor]

Anglo-Irish, not English - there is a distinct difference!

Nope we are talking Anglo-Irish.All aristo's living in their Irish Manor Houses had their land and estates confiscated.What's the difference from an Irish-Anglo living in Mayfair with a 100 property BTL portfio.But obviously my comment was tongue in cheek.

Edited June 11, 2007 by crashmonitor

[jimmyjazz]

Irish independence was predominately about the land, people get too caught up with religion (though the landlords were protestant), after independence provided you could prove your plastic paddy credentials you used to be allocated land, and there is no council tax. In England we still operate under unreformed feudal control with the same families owning huge chunks of the country disproportionate to their 'status'.

I went on a walking holiday to Ireland a few years back. There are still loads of large estates in the hands of the Anglo-Irish ascendancy.

I stayed at a BB run by one of these chaps - a splendid gentleman - and he explained how he managed to keep his 70 acres via EU subsidies.

[jimmyjazz]

People don't need to cancel their tennancy and more out and become homeless, they can just change the locks and stop paying their rent.

Send a note saying they have move out and retrn the original keys!

then Squat.

It's take the Landlord 12 months to get you out.... if thye are lucky. If enough people do it the courts will be so overloaded it coud take a decade to get someone out!!!

I think it takes about 3 months actually.

[crashmonitor]

I went on a walking holiday to Ireland a few years back. There are still loads of large estates in the hands of the Anglo-Irish ascendancy.

I stayed at a BB run by one of these chaps - a splendid gentleman - and he explained how he managed to keep his 70 acres via EU subsidies.

You are referring to a parcel of land as opposed to the tied cottages or tied farms that would have once belonged to the Manor.Any such estates which encompass more than attaching farmland would be a result of buy back.

[BuyingBear]

I went on a walking holiday to Ireland a few years back. There are still loads of large estates in the hands of the Anglo-Irish ascendancy.

I stayed at a BB run by one of these chaps - a splendid gentleman - and he explained how he managed to keep his 70 acres via EU subsidies.

To be fair 70 acres is nothing compared to the sort of estates and serfs that used to operate under the old system. One presumes his 70 acres is simply a remaining fag end of poor argicultural land.

[jimmyjazz]

You are referring to a parcel of land as opposed to the tied cottages or tied farms that would have once belonged to the Manor.Any such estates which encompass more than attaching farmland would be a result of buy back.

However they got their land back the truth is that Ireland is still fairly feudal.

The highest waterfall in Ireland at powerscourt is in a private estate and you have to pay to go and see it.

Thats feudal.