Jump to content
House Price Crash Forum

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

patprimer74

Cameron Stages The Great Grammar School U-turn

Recommended Posts

I assume that further rises will now be seen in areas that still have grammar schools as ambitious parents throw money into the market to ensure their children's futures.

At least we now have a clear policy from the Tories!

Monday - "No more grammars, their useless."

Tuesday - "Definitely no more grammars - creating more would be 'delusional'."

Wednesday - "Counties with remaining grammar schools must be allowed to build more."

Thursday - "...a Conservative government would consider building more grammars if an area's booming population meant they were needed"

Friday - "We don't know yet - it's only 8 o'clock! We haven't checked which way the wind is blowing! Once the bandwagon comes along, we'll jump on it and then you'll know what our policy is. O.K?"

That's the alternative government!! :rolleyes:

Thank you, Daily Mail! What a great publication you are! I've always said so. :lol:

Cameron stages the great grammar school U-turn

p

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I assume that further rises will now be seen in areas that still have grammar schools as ambitious parents throw money into the market to ensure their children's futures.

At least we now have a clear policy from the Tories!

Monday - "No more grammars, their useless."

Tuesday - "Definitely no more grammars - creating more would be 'delusional'."

Wednesday - "Counties with remaining grammar schools must be allowed to build more."

Thursday - "...a Conservative government would consider building more grammars if an area's booming population meant they were needed"

Friday - "We don't know yet - it's only 8 o'clock! We haven't checked which way the wind is blowing! Once the bandwagon comes along, we'll jump on it and then you'll know what our policy is. O.K?"

That's the alternative government!! :rolleyes:

Thank you, Daily Mail! What a great publication you are! I've always said so. :lol:

Cameron stages the great grammar school U-turn

p

Whats this got to do with house prices?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Surely its a good sign of a govt (in waiting) willing to listen and respond to the views of its populace. I know frightfully quaint. :P

To be honest its a non-issue. There are far bigger fish to fry and the tories are disappointing me so far.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Good point. I'll definitely vote for a dour Scottish borderline-aspergers control freak next time.

No need to be sooo rude about Cameron and his Cameroons! :lol:

p

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
To be honest its a non-issue.

Exactly! But, just imagine if it was a serious subject like nuclear weapons and this country was under threat from an enemy! Here goes:

Monday - "No more grammars, nuclear weapons, their useless."

Tuesday - "Definitely no more grammars nuclear weapons- creating more would be 'delusional'."

Wednesday - "Counties Countries with remaining grammar schools nuclear weapons must be allowed to build more."

Thursday - "...a Conservative government would consider building more grammars nuclear weapons if an area's booming population meant they were needed"

Friday - "We don't know yet - it's only 8 o'clock! We haven't checked which way the wind is blowing! Once the bandwagon comes along, we'll jump on it and then you'll know what our policy is. O.K?"

Saturday - "BOOM!!"

To think that some people believe that the Boy Cameron and his Eton cabinet is fit to run a country! In..effin'..credible!

p

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Exactly! But, just imagine if it was a serious subject like nuclear weapons and this country was under threat from an enemy! Here goes:

Monday - "No more grammars, nuclear weapons, their useless."

Tuesday - "Definitely no more grammars nuclear weapons- creating more would be 'delusional'."

Wednesday - "Counties Countries with remaining grammar schools nuclear weapons must be allowed to build more."

Thursday - "...a Conservative government would consider building more grammars nuclear weapons if an area's booming population meant they were needed"

Friday - "We don't know yet - it's only 8 o'clock! We haven't checked which way the wind is blowing! Once the bandwagon comes along, we'll jump on it and then you'll know what our policy is. O.K?"

Saturday - "BOOM!!"

To think that some people believe that the Boy Cameron and his Eton cabinet is fit to run a country! In..effin'..credible!

p

Whereas the current lot are doing so much better:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6709267.stm

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This Government have an education secretary that left school at 15 with no qualifications whatsoever, and stacked shelves in Tescos.

On that basis, I applaud the rethink on Grammer Schools they are essential to ensure that the dregs being turned out by new labour haves someone to manage them and get them into work.

The Cabinets lack of educational attributes is astounding, and I would guess that is why they mistakenly misread the United Nations Resolutions and killed 250,000 innnocent Children and Women as a result. Had they been to Grammer Schools they may have had the opportunity to learn to read.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
This Government have an education secretary that left school at 15 with no qualifications whatsoever, and stacked shelves in Tescos.

On that basis, I applaud the rethink on Grammer Schools they are essential to ensure that the dregs being turned out by new labour haves someone to manage them and get them into work.

The Cabinets lack of educational attributes is astounding, and I would guess that is why they mistakenly misread the United Nations Resolutions and killed 250,000 innnocent Children and Women as a result. Had they been to Grammer Schools they may have had the opportunity to learn to read.

I don't see why an obvious lack of education should disqualify anyone from offering advice and guidance. Do you, Laurejon? :rolleyes:

p

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"I don't see why an obvious lack of education should disqualify anyone from offering advice and guidance. Do you, Laurejon? "

Patprimer, put these three words together, pot, kettle, black. You really are a Prat, Pat

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Patprimer, put these three words together, pot, kettle, black. You really are a Prat, Pat

No need to be so nasty, Thunderbox, just because I forced you to accept in front of everyone here that your so-called expertise, Financial Advice (i.e. insurance sales),is just a mirage. A total figment of your limited imagination. Proven. (And, before you say it, Yes, I do know that a single word isn't a sentence!) Never mind, though, you can always go back to the double glazing sales, can't you. You've always got that to fall back on.

p

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Unfortunately I didnt go to Grammar School Patprimer, I went to a Labour Party State Comprehensive where the school uniform was leather motorcyle jackets, and if you hadnt stabbed someone by the time you were 12 you were brought before the headmaster.

It was also the case that in my school the teachers spend most of their time on strike, and if they were not on strike they were fiddling with the young girls.

Yep, good old Labour Party, they knew how to ruin a nation then, and they are doing a fantastic job of again today.

Men who feel that the world owes them a living vote Labour, some of them even aspire to become an MP and then get themselves into the cabinet.

Thank God!!! We wont have to put up with these prats from Scotland much longer!!!!!.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Unfortunately I didnt go to Grammar School Patprimer, I went to a Labour Party State Comprehensive where the school uniform was leather motorcyle jackets, and if you hadnt stabbed someone by the time you were 12 you were brought before the headmaster.

It was also the case that in my school the teachers spend most of their time on strike, and if they were not on strike they were fiddling with the young girls.

Yep, good old Labour Party, they knew how to ruin a nation then, and they are doing a fantastic job of again today.

Men who feel that the world owes them a living vote Labour, some of them even aspire to become an MP and then get themselves into the cabinet.

Thank God!!! We wont have to put up with these prats from Scotland much longer!!!!!.

Doesn't seem to have done you any harm, at all! :rolleyes:

p

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Patprimer, for the absolute last time I challenge you to go along to the next HPC pub meet where I will show you all my financial qualifications and records over the last 22 years. You have accused me of being a liar and deceitful. You now say that my financial adviser status is a figment of my imagination. How dare you call me a liar.

I am quite open about this. Are you? Have the courage of your convictions and show your ugly mug.

I'm not interested in suing you for libel. I am only interested in you making a proper apology on this site.

Of course I know you would not attend a public meeting and admit you are wrong.

You really are pathetic.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Patprimer, for the absolute last time I challenge you to go along to the next HPC pub meet where I will show you all my financial qualifications and records over the last 22 years. You have accused me of being a liar and deceitful. You now say that my financial adviser status is a figment of my imagination. How dare you call me a liar.

I am quite open about this. Are you? Have the courage of your convictions and show your ugly mug.

I'm not interested in suing you for libel. I am only interested in you making a proper apology on this site.

Of course I know you would not attend a public meeting and admit you are wrong.

You really are pathetic.

I've noticed a definite pattern about PatPrimer74. He/she seems to be totally incapable of actually answering a question or criticism, but instead attacks the person making the comment. I've just realised Pats problem. He/she has to be a Scientologist !!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

SpewLabour, Well said!

I have no problem whatsoever in anyone disagreeing with any of my posts. That is the whole point of an open forum and debate. Sometimes it gets a bit heated. Usually it ends with both sides agreeing to disagree. A satisfactory conclusion where both sides have aired their points of view.

You hit the nail on the head with Patprimer. His replies sound very similar to the way NuLabour deal with criticism. Attack the messenger and forget about the content. Remember a few years ago the old lady kept on a trolley in the Whittington. When the family complained they were accused of racism. With NuLabour and the cash for honours all we hear about is Tory sleaze from over ten years ago. What Labour apologists ignore is that this current scandal goes right to the heart of our Constitution. In no way can one excuse Tory sleaze but in most cases it was for individual personal gain. That does not make it right but does put it in perspective.

Even in today's papers it is being reported that the Treasury, presumably under the orders of Brown, are shredding important papers requested under the Freedom of Information Act relating to failed IT projects on ID cards and NHS reforms.

When it comes to NuLabour it seems that nothing will change under Brown. The control freakery can only get worse. civil liberties will be eroded even further and truth will be a word from the past.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Patprimer, for the absolute last time I challenge you to go along to the next HPC pub meet where I will show you all my financial qualifications and records over the last 22 years. You have accused me of being a liar and deceitful. You now say that my financial adviser status is a figment of my imagination. How dare you call me a liar.

I am quite open about this. Are you? Have the courage of your convictions and show your ugly mug.

I'm not interested in suing you for libel. I am only interested in you making a proper apology on this site.

Of course I know you would not attend a public meeting and admit you are wrong.

You really are pathetic.

So you stick to your claim that pension contributions are taxed once, then 'taxed again' (your words, you'll remember) when they're taken as income. In other words the same money is taxed twice. Until you have the guts to admit that you deliberately tried to mislead this forum with that statement, then don't expect any polite response from me. You don't deserve it.

p

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As usual Pat you deliberately ignore my request to a meeting to prove once and for all that your disgraceful comments about me are totally wrong. You keep calling me deceitful and a liar. If of course you are so timid that you dare not apologise I will quite happily show any of the HPC moderators my qualifications.

With regards to personal pensions. Contributions receive full tax relief. I have made that absolutely clear. You have deliberately misinterpreted my post to suit your own meaning. Gordon Brown withdrew the tax credit from pension funds and even you know that pension income is taxed as well. If you cannot understand that is exactly the point I was making then it is you who is trying to deceive, not me.

This was my post

"For the last time Personal Pension contributions paid by an employee receive tax relief at the individuals highest rate. The contributions are paid from income that have had both tax and NI payments ALREADY DEDUCTED."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6512999.stm

BBC personal finance reporter Richard Scott said the documents made "pretty nasty reading for Gordon Brown", adding: "They are going to be extremely damning for him."

Shadow work and pensions secretary Philip Hammond said they showed Mr Brown had been "conning the country".

He added: "It beggars belief that in the face of those clear warnings, Gordon Brown went ahead with the move that has devastated British pensions and has contributed to the collapse of the savings rate."

The following was also included in my posts. I could not have made it clearer. As per usual for a NuLabour apologee you have ignored the point of my post and deliberately sidetracked the whole argument.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/PENSIONSCHEMES/faqs/contoccs.htm

Question:

As an employer how do I make contributions to my employees' personal pension schemes?

A. As an employer, you would simply make a gross payment to the appropriate provider. You then claim tax relief through your accounts in respect of the payment. Contributions made by an employer to an approved personal pension scheme do not count as taxable pay of the employee concerned. You do not therefore have to deduct tax or N.I. contributions from the payment.

Some employers collect their employees' personal contributions and pass them over to the pension provider on their behalf. The tax position is quite different for these contributions. Employees get tax relief through a special relief at source system (similar to the old MIRAS system for mortgage relief). ]Tax and NIC is deducted from gross income in the normal way (under PAYE). The employee (or an employer acting as his agent) then pays a NET CONTRIBUTIONS to the pension provider, who claims back basic rate tax from the Inland Revenue and credits it to the personal pension plan.

For example, an employee wishing to pay £100 a month gross will actually pay £78 a month (for the tax year 2002/2003) from his NET PAY. The provider will credit the plan with a further £22, i.e. an amount equal to the basic rate of tax, to bring the total contribution up to £100.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
With regards to personal pensions. Contributions receive full tax relief. I have made that absolutely clear.

At long last! We've managed to get you to say the vital words 'Contributions receive full tax relief'. Why couldn't you have come out with this right from the start rather than squirming around avoiding the issue.

As you very well know, I was not the only person who took you up on your implication that a contributor would have paid tax on the funds used as contributions and paid tax 'again' on the income from the annuity. At no time, until today, have you backtracked and clearly stated that contributions receive full tax relief.

So, please don't waste your time attempting to blame me for this business. I was only one of many who asked you to clarify what you meant when you made the 'taxed again' comment. Whether deliberately or not, your comments gave the impression that pension schemes were less attractive than they truly are. Today, you've grudgingly backtracked. We should be grateful for small mercies.

Thanks for the offer but I'll somehow manage without examining your certificates.

p

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Pat, you really are a sad case.

Do you read English or are you as thick as two short planks?

I put this in my original posts you idiot. Read it if you can and understand.

This was my post

"For the last time Personal Pension contributions paid by an employee receive tax relief at the individuals highest rate. The contributions are paid from income that have had both tax and NI payments ALREADY DEDUCTED

Your post "At long last! We've managed to get you to say the vital words 'Contributions receive full tax relief'" Just in case you don't get it I repeat, I put this in my original posts.

You have directly accused me of being a liar when I said I am a fully qualified Financial Adviser. Now you backtrack when I have put you on the spot.

You are a coward. Pure and simple. I will prove to you once and for all that I am telling the truth and you can only run away from the evidence.

Absolutely pathetic!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
This was my post

"For the last time Personal Pension contributions paid by an employee receive tax relief at the individuals highest rate. The contributions are paid from income that have had both tax and NI payments ALREADY DEDUCTED

That is not the post we're all talking about, and you very well know it.

p

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All I know Patprimer is that you are very selective in your replies to not just mine, but all posts. You totally ignore anything to do with you being proved wrong. Time, after time after time.

Several times you have called me a liar. When I challenge you, suddenly you change track and talk about something completely different.

If you can't prove your absurd allegations against me it's quite simple. Apologise for your remarks.

When you have studied and taken some proper financial qualifications I might respect your opinion. Until then go away and bury your head in the Socialist Worker.

Wxnker

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • 356 The Prime Minister stated that there were three Brexit options available to the UK:

    1. 1. Which of the Prime Minister's options would you choose?


      • Leave with the negotiated deal
      • Remain
      • Leave with no deal



×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.