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The Home Office has secret plans to COMPEL council workers, doctors and others to inform the police if they think someone MIGHT commit a violent crime. The accused would then become a pre-criminal. Since your crime is always in the future you could never prove your innocence. You could find yourself hounded, blacklisted, your career compromised without ever having done anything wrong. All because someone in a council office took a dislike to you or a doctor make a bad call on your character.

The warning signs are apparantly heavy drinking, a violent family background and forms of mental illness, including depression. This would suck half the population into pre-criminal status. Would you open up to anyone ever again if you needed help?

This is truly the stuff of nightmares.

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It's OK, I've seen this one.

When Tom Cruise turns up, it will all be OK.

Sleep, now.

Your Big Brother will look after you.

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In this spirit of openness maybe it’s time to compel MPs and top civil servants to be subjected to a very detailed background check and make all findings public, for example it appears a number of cabinet members kept their sexuality private, which of course is a security risk and also gives an insight into their potential motivation on certain issues..

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In this spirit of openness maybe it’s time to compel MPs and top civil servants to be subjected to a very detailed background check and make all findings public, for example it appears a number of cabinet members kept their sexuality private, which of course is a security risk and also gives an insight into their potential motivation on certain issues..

I agree, it's time for mandatory DNA testing of MPs and lie detector tests for members of the house. Even better, how about linking the PMs microphone up to a lie detector when he's at PMs questions? Seems only fair to me, after all, we are paying his wages and expect nothing but the truth from our elected representatives.

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The Home Office has secret plans to COMPEL council workers, doctors and others to inform the police if they think someone MIGHT commit a violent crime. The accused would then become a pre-criminal. Since your crime is always in the future you could never prove your innocence. You could find yourself hounded, blacklisted, your career compromised without ever having done anything wrong. All because someone in a council office took a dislike to you or a doctor make a bad call on your character.

The warning signs are apparantly heavy drinking, a violent family background and forms of mental illness, including depression. This would suck half the population into pre-criminal status. Would you open up to anyone ever again if you needed help?

This is truly the stuff of nightmares.

The good news is that most of our MP's will be out of a job! However I expect they will exempt themselves from this scheme.

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The warning signs are apparantly heavy drinking, a violent family background and forms of mental illness, including depression. This would suck half the population into pre-criminal status. Would you open up to anyone ever again if you needed help?

Surely you would have to add to that -

Likely to complain about Public Services.

Has slightly Conservative views.

Liable to be against mass immigration.

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This is truly the stuff of nightmares.

Didn't Blair once mumble something about getting data on likely trouble makers before they were born? :blink:

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Didn't Blair once mumble something about getting data on likely trouble makers before they were born? :blink:

He did :(

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it's a sad state of affairs when council workers are asked to snoop on people - most of them are far too stupid - on the plus side, most are also too lazy to do their job so the chances of them getting around to reporting anyone are minimal

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Why does this topic remind me of a certain Mr Heydrich?

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/biog...es/heydrich.htm

Heydrich proceeded to create the intelligence gathering organization known as the SD (Sicherheitsdienst), or SS Security Service.

It began in a small office with a single typewriter. But Heydrich's tireless determination soon grew the organization into a vast network of informers that developed dossiers on anyone who might oppose Hitler and conducted internal espionage and investigations to gather information down to the smallest details on Nazi Party members and storm trooper (SA) leaders.

Heydrich also had a taste for gossip and maintained folders full of rumors and details of the privates lives and sexual activities of top Nazis, later resorting to planting hidden microphones and cameras.

Criticizing the Nazis or even making a joke could land one in a concentration camp, never to be seen again. Some arrests were made under suspicion that a person might commit a crime in the future. The average German could trust no one as anyone, even a family member, might be an informant working with the SD or Gestapo.

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it's a sad state of affairs when council workers are asked to snoop on people - most of them are far too stupid - on the plus side, most are also too lazy to do their job so the chances of them getting around to reporting anyone are minimal

Actually thats the one job I think they'd do well. Anyone that complained about bad public services would immediately be on the database.

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The Home Office has secret plans to COMPEL council workers, doctors and others to inform the police if they think someone MIGHT commit a violent crime. The accused would then become a pre-criminal. Since your crime is always in the future you could never prove your innocence. You could find yourself hounded, blacklisted, your career compromised without ever having done anything wrong. All because someone in a council office took a dislike to you or a doctor make a bad call on your character.

The warning signs are apparantly heavy drinking, a violent family background and forms of mental illness, including depression. This would suck half the population into pre-criminal status. Would you open up to anyone ever again if you needed help?

This is truly the stuff of nightmares.

Truly scary, how did we end up with such an incompetent, corrupt and authoritarian Goverment? Who the hell is responsible for voting these sociopaths in? I've never met anybody who will admit to voting for them.

Is it the Scottish we have to thank for a Labour Goverment? If so then roll on independence for them.

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Truly scary, how did we end up with such an incompetent, corrupt and authoritarian Goverment? Who the hell is responsible for voting these sociopaths in? I've never met anybody who will admit to voting for them.

Is it the Scottish we have to thank for a Labour Goverment? If so then roll on independence for them.

About 25% of the voting population wanted this lot. The other 75% did not or voted for the apathy party

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Is it the Scottish we have to thank for a Labour Goverment? If so then roll on independence for them.

If you check the figures, I think you'll find that the leading party in England at the last general 'election' was *not* the Labour party.. :unsure:

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If you check the figures, I think you'll find that the leading party in England at the last general 'election' was *not* the Labour party.. :unsure:

Yes I know, it was the Conservatives whereas it was Labour in Scotland and hence my question.

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Actually thats the one job I think they'd do well. Anyone that complained about bad public services would immediately be on the database.

I gave up complaining. The concil haven't collected my refuse on over a year. They couldn't find the house at first and asked me to put the rubbish by the roadside for collection which they failed to collect. Despite me giving them my mobile phone number they still failed to find me and so for the last year I have been taking my own refuse to the tip.

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This is nice:

The mental health bill before parliament at the moment also contains plans for people with mental health problems who are considered to be at risk of violence to be compulsorily detained before they commit a crime.

How long before we can add to the list protestors, people who looked at Gordon Brown a bit funny, people who post naughty stuff on the internet about how house prices are going to crash, anybody with a beard and a bit of a suntan...

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quite clearly the way to avoid getting on the list is to go and ask to be put on it, goto them tell them to put you on the list as it's their job!

getting more and more like that film brazil every day

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Bloody ludicrous. The thing is, it's always ass-backwards in this country. The idea is going to be that the police will charge in if someone is suspected of perhaps, maybe, possibly, if provoked enough, being a bit violent? Casts my mind back to the neighbour from hell I had to suffer a few years back - there couldn't be much more evidence that he was a nutcase, far more than some vague suspicion from a council worker, and what did the police do? Bugger all, because I wasn't "directly" threatened. So the unverified vague suspicion is prioritised over the solid facts?

Not only do we have a system that closes the barn door after the horse has bolted, but they're inclined to try putting a cart infront of the horse too. Whilst watching the barn with a few million cameras. Genius.

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Yes, the bulti billion pound psychopharma industries could stand to gain a lot from "pre-crime". It is only a short step from a diagnoses of a prediliction of violence to compulsory drugging. If we take Bliars comments literally and take it to the worst possible scenario: we identify the troublemakers at birth and then drug them with major tranqullisers 'just in case'. :(

We live in interesting times. :o

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Call me old fashioned but maybe the police, the judiciary and the home office should direct their attention to detaining and detering existing criminals which they are letting off early or not pucnishing at all.

One can only suspect that policies such as this have therefore an ntirely alterior motive. I don;t think comparisons with the old soviet block are wide of the mark.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2084659,00.html

The Home Office has secret plans to COMPEL council workers, doctors and others to inform the police if they think someone MIGHT commit a violent crime. The accused would then become a pre-criminal. Since your crime is always in the future you could never prove your innocence. You could find yourself hounded, blacklisted, your career compromised without ever having done anything wrong. All because someone in a council office took a dislike to you or a doctor make a bad call on your character.

The warning signs are apparantly heavy drinking, a violent family background and forms of mental illness, including depression. This would suck half the population into pre-criminal status. Would you open up to anyone ever again if you needed help?

This is truly the stuff of nightmares.

Nice to see the UK sleepwalking into an Orwellian nightmare. Why d`you think I`ve put the Hammer and Sickle over the UK flag? (BTW - if you don`t know, it`s because we`re moving closer and closer to Soviet-style government!)

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Why does this topic remind me of a certain Mr Heydrich?

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/biog...es/heydrich.htm

Perhaps this kind of control is a characteristic of Socialist governments. Although I don't think it has developed to this extent yet I think there are some parallels to be drawn with the East German Stasi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi

I know this government are well-intentioned...but so were the Stasi. Many former officers still regard what they did as being in the interests of good.

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