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But only ever by honest employers. And then as they seem unable to actually get rid of the ones they already now about whats the point?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770

All job applicants will have to produce a passport or birth

certificate from next year to prove that they are not illegal

immigrants.

Even native-born Britons will have to comply with the new Home Office

rules, to avoid claims of race discrimination if foreigners are

singled out for checks.

Ministers claim the move will "flush out" hundreds of thousands of

illegal immigrants working in the black economy.

Firms will face penalties of up £10,000 for every illegal foreign

worker they employ, even if they tip off the immigration authorities

themselves.

Last night, business leaders accused ministers of penalising employers

for the failure of Government immigration policy while adding to the

mountain of red tape.

The new rules follow repeated and largely unsuccessful efforts by the

Home Office to tackle the massive issue of illegal foreign workers.

Estimates of the number in the UK range from 570,000 to 870,000.

Employers are already obliged to check foreign workers' documents but

the laws have proved difficult to enforce, with just 23 successful

prosecutions in 2005.

The Home Office plans to boost the number of enforcement staff from

700 to 1,200 by next year, as well as launching a telephone

documentchecking service to help employers determine whether passports

and other papers are genuine.

Immigration minister Liam Byrne said: "What we are proposing here

will, I think, flush illegal migrants out.

"We are trying to create a much more hostile environment if you are

here illegally."

Matthew Knowles, of the Federation of Small Businesses, urged

ministers to think again, saying: "It is surely unfair to ask

businesses to act as immigration officials.

"Not only will these recommendations to check passports place an extra

burden on small firms, who have no specialist human resources

department to help or advise them, but it will also financially

penalise businesses for the failure of the Government's immigration

policy."

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More nonsense from Labour.

The vast majority of illegals have passports from their own country - just like every legal foreign worker here. How do you spot the difference?

In any case, a bigger problem is the number of legal migrants who have the right to work here, but end up working for peanuts, cash in hand, no tax paid. Are passport checks and birth certificate checks really going to put an end to that?

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These new ID cards have nothing to do with stopping immigrantion and every thing to do with enslavement and making joe public compete against the cheap labour flooding the country.

You need to ask who's country is it anyway

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If there government stopped giving them all National Insurance numbers, then they would not be able to work. If the validity of an NI number was linked to the visa type or expiry date on the database, any illegal workers could be flushed out easily and honest employers would not be caught out. It seems bloody obvious, but I am obviously missing something.

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Sorry if it looks like I am in favour of ID cards... but I'm not!

ID cards won't be held by non uk peeps anyway but if they decide ALL job applicants needs to prove ID then they will be pushing for ID cards to be used for this.

ID cards are a waste of money. but I can as we have more immigrants coming in and using services they don't contribute to then we'll have to prove we're entitled.

Once you have to prove entitlement they can reduce your entitlement.

ID cards don't work unless they check the validity of your DNA with the dna help on central records for each and every use of it.

ANd even thats not fool proof. If no one checks dna then they're as easy to forge as current stuff.

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But only ever by honest employers. And then as they seem unable to actually get rid of the ones they already now about whats the point?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770

All job applicants will have to produce a passport or birth

certificate from next year to prove that they are not illegal

immigrants.

Even native-born Britons will have to comply with the new Home Office

rules, to avoid claims of race discrimination if foreigners are

singled out for checks.

Ministers claim the move will "flush out" hundreds of thousands of

illegal immigrants working in the black economy.

Firms will face penalties of up £10,000 for every illegal foreign

worker they employ, even if they tip off the immigration authorities

themselves.

Last night, business leaders accused ministers of penalising employers

for the failure of Government immigration policy while adding to the

mountain of red tape.

The new rules follow repeated and largely unsuccessful efforts by the

Home Office to tackle the massive issue of illegal foreign workers.

Estimates of the number in the UK range from 570,000 to 870,000.

Employers are already obliged to check foreign workers' documents but

the laws have proved difficult to enforce, with just 23 successful

prosecutions in 2005.

The Home Office plans to boost the number of enforcement staff from

700 to 1,200 by next year, as well as launching a telephone

documentchecking service to help employers determine whether passports

and other papers are genuine.

Immigration minister Liam Byrne said: "What we are proposing here

will, I think, flush illegal migrants out.

"We are trying to create a much more hostile environment if you are

here illegally."

Matthew Knowles, of the Federation of Small Businesses, urged

ministers to think again, saying: "It is surely unfair to ask

businesses to act as immigration officials.

"Not only will these recommendations to check passports place an extra

burden on small firms, who have no specialist human resources

department to help or advise them, but it will also financially

penalise businesses for the failure of the Government's immigration

policy."

As with all things Labour this will amount to nothing.

I have been contracting 15 years and never had to show my passport, until recently. Now every contract I have to send a copy of my passport. One @nal company forced me to go to a solicitors to have it certified. As with all Labour schemes they end up adversely affecting other people.

What are they going to do when they flush out these illegals? Put them on planes and send them home, ha ha? They'll slap them on the wrist and send them off to their next job. Or give them a work permit, so now they're legal, problem solved.

Anyway, illegals are not the whole problem. They've also been giving out work permits for years to hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people to enable them to undercut Brits.

I expect Labour to spin this one frantically to try and retain power at the next election. They won't actually do anything that makes any difference though. They've known exactly what they've been doing for the last ten years and have no intention of changing it. Brown is a chief architect of all this.

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These new ID cards have nothing to do with stopping immigrantion and every thing to do with enslavement and making joe public compete against the cheap labour flooding the country.

You need to ask who's country is it anyway

ID cards yet another waste of tax payers money!

Waste waste waste .... OUR taxes are paying for this rubbish!

They think this will stop it all its too late - the horse has bolted!

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id cards and electronic fiat money - all part of a goal of central banks to tag/control everybody, ultimately, with rfid chips

also got to credit the 'war of terror' fraud - it's genius - never ending war with no enemy which scares populations and allows govenments to implement a police state (cctv, id cards etc) without resistance....

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There is nothing that anybody can say that will make me think ID cards are a good idea. I couldn't give a flying ****** about immigrants. Let them come, they are better than the chavs that populate every city in the country. Stupid ******ing dumb shit ID cards <_<

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I couldn't give a flying ****** about immigrants. Let them come, they are better than the chavs that populate every city in the country.

Most people don't until they are directly affected by them. Then, all of a sudden, they become very vocal.

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If there government stopped giving them all National Insurance numbers, then they would not be able to work. If the validity of an NI number was linked to the visa type or expiry date on the database, any illegal workers could be flushed out easily and honest employers would not be caught out. It seems bloody obvious, but I am obviously missing something.

I think the Govt lost a few [million]

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We have had this war on terror for 6 years now... longer than the second world war and only 1 atack in America and 1 in the uk (and some in other countries). How dose that justify tagging everyone in the uk (which is what these ID cards amount to)?.

When i grew up, the IRA was bombing the uk almost every month; London, Manchester, Guildford, Birmingham all over the place, and never once was their any mention of id cards.

The govenment line in those days was carry on as normal and dont let the terrorists (IRA) change our way of life, so we all just ignored the carnage and carried on commuting to London or where-ever and yes, alot of inocent people died but we refused to change our way of life one bit.

Now look at us, frightened, running scared, ID tags, cammeras everywhere, everyone being watched. Its a descrace.

George Orwell eat your heart out.

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We have had this war on terror for 6 years now... longer than the second world war and only 1 atack in America and 1 in the uk (and some in other countries). How dose that justify tagging everyone in the uk (which is what these ID cards amount to)?.

When i grew up, the IRA was bombing the uk almost every month; London, Manchester, Guildford, Birmingham all over the place, and never once was their any mention of id cards.

The govenment line in those days was carry on as normal and dont let the terrorists (IRA) change our way of life, so we all just ignored the carnage and carried on commuting to London or where-ever and yes, alot of inocent people died but we refused to change our way of life one bit.

Now look at us, frightened, running scared, ID tags, cammeras everywhere, everyone being watched. Its a descrace.

George Orwell eat your heart out.

exactly. :angry:

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I think showing your passport when applying for a job has been in practice for a while now with many companies. I had to about two years ago.

Trying to get public support for ID cards by harnessing anti-immigration sentiment is a despicable practice. They are, after-all, the government responsible for allowing such huge numbers of people in in the first place.

It is rather like the government's idea of trying to use the media and schools to project a multiculturalist agenda onto the British population, what they call 'education' regarding the superficial cultural forms of Muslims and others, whilst at the same time waging war on Islamic nations.

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They have wasted 10 billion pounds on an NHS IT system that doesn't work I shudder to think how many gazillions of pounds setting up and policing ID cards would cost.

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They have wasted 10 billion pounds on an NHS IT system that doesn't work I shudder to think how many gazillions of pounds setting up and policing ID cards would cost.

Yeah right, and the cost of enforcing it all. Brown shirts on every corner asking to see your papers etc. Also the future cost of the Digital Angel system (google it)

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They have wasted 10 billion pounds on an NHS IT system that doesn't work I shudder to think how many gazillions of pounds setting up and policing ID cards would cost.

JHC what did they buy ? Skynet? Number being banded around is £6 million FYR. Agreed though, waste is waste and what a waste. :angry:

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Here is a thought, approx 3.1 billion for ID cards. Add the usual rise in costs and divide by the average wage and the answer is:

100 000 staff to ensure that those that who should be here remain and those that don't leave. Try hiding from that lot. :ph34r:

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Besides the ethical arguments, my biggest contention with the ID card scheme is that it is just another huge malinvestment of the people's resources. Projects like the ID card scheme are non-productive. I always strongly believed that the way to a prosperous economy was to invest heavily in the producing industries such as agriculture and manufacturing; most emphatically not the financial services sector. The only long-term way to finance this investment is in the nation's savings of course and not through debt nor the forced appropriation of foreign natural resources. When was the last time you heard the government investing 3 billion in agriculture or manufacturing?

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