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I'm not quite convinced it's a tory site. It's certainly often very anti-NuLabour. There are some who cling to the idea that "Hug a Hoodie" Cameron will set things alright.

Though there are fewer of them than there were...the WebCameron fiasco...?

BNP stooges...and...UKIP, and SNP...

Generally I'd say there is a strong streak of cyniicism and distrust here regarding anything said by the major parties.

BoD... I wish you were my real Dad...

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Gordon Brown has bankrolled the Iraq project with the taxes from hard working British Families. He has shown himself to be a man of dishonour, a man that cannot be trusted, and a man that is clearly driven by self importance and status. His drive to become prime minister of England has always taken the front seat and he has stopped at nothing to acheive this aim.

He has asset stripped the nation, destroyed the pension system, destroyed the NHS, destroyed the concept of a fair days work for a fair days pay. He has offshored British Jobs providing grants in India and China to achieve this. He has given Billions of taxpayers money away to the third world so they can purchase more arms, and line the pockets the militia within those countries. He has single handedly borrowed Trillions of pounds on our behalf, on top of the biggest tax burden in the history of our nation.

If he published his CV, he would be lucky to get a job at the checkout of B&Q.

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Hehehe. Still needs pointed out that incoherent rants against Gordon Brown and the BBC do nothing to increase the credibility of the Conservative party. They only give the impression that the average Tory voter lines his hat with tin foil to stop THEM reading his thoughts.

congratulations gordie - you made my troll list

my controls --> manage ignored users

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I am starting to believe that Gordon will announce a massive house building program when he becomes PM.

I wrote to my local MP about house prices and he said we need we need a big new building program. Yvette Cooper also said we need to build more houses, and now Gordon has said it too.

Massive increases in house supply, coupled with increasing interest rates, will create a massive undershoot in house prices, and thats when I buy.

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I am starting to believe that Gordon will announce a massive house building program when he becomes PM.

I wrote to my local MP about house prices and he said we need we need a big new building program. Yvette Cooper also said we need to build more houses, and now Gordon has said it too.

Massive increases in house supply, coupled with increasing interest rates, will create a massive undershoot in house prices, and thats when I buy.

all lies to win votes - they'll promise but it's unlikely they'll deliver once in power

plannng restrictions have restricted supply and immigration has increased demand to push up hpi and win past elections

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I am starting to believe that Gordon will announce a massive house building program when he becomes PM.

No chance, don't believe the spin, he may stitch up a few extra PFI/housing assocation/shared ownership junk dwellings by raising the social housing component of new developments, maybe 20k tiny flats per year. He's certainly not going to launch a >300k building programme as there are no votes in this, the nimbies and tree huggers would never allow for it.

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No chance, don't believe the spin, he may stitch up a few extra PFI/housing assocation/shared ownership junk dwellings by raising the social housing component of new developments, maybe 20k tiny flats per year. He's certainly not going to launch a >300k building programme as there are no votes in this, the nimbies and tree huggers would never allow for it.

The nimbies wont like it, but they vote tory anyway. The tree huggers might not be so against it because they will see it as social justice for the poor, and people like Swampy are, i assume, poor.

I predict that Gordon will announce a massive house building program in his first week in office, just like he gave the BoE independence in his first week as chancellor. When he becomes PM I think he will want to arrive in his new post in style, and he will do it with the announcement of the house building program. This program could also reverse the recent upswing in the unemployment figures.

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If you play by the rules, we'll stand by you.

I'm firmly in the camp that understands that the rules were invented for the fools to obey and the wise to interpret.

I'd really like to find a way of articulating what Gordon can do with his rules, but I don't think I could do it using Visio.

There are a lot of us out here who aren't going to do what we are told, and the time for these mendacious sh*ts to discover this is fast approaching.

God how I loath these people.

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He has some good stuff to say about housing though. Unlike Cameron unfortunately. I don't really buy all the anti-Brown rhetoric on this site. Low interest rates and the housing boom have been a global phenomenon hardly Browns fault. The UK has the highest interest rates of all the major economies.

I have seen my salary doubled since Blair came to power, the local hospital is first rate, life, except for housing is good. I also find the BBC entertaining, unbiased and informative.

If Brown dose something about housing then I might just vote for him depending on his stance on the Iraq war and identity cards. Cameron has a bit of convincing to do. I ember the Thatcher years and they were pretty grim, which makes me a bit nervous.

You must be living in a mirror universe where everything is opposite to real life!

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The nimbies wont like it, but they vote tory anyway. The tree huggers might not be so against it because they will see it as social justice for the poor, and people like Swampy are, i assume, poor.

Champagne socialists are some of the best nimbies, tree huggery and nimbyism unite all the parties, Libdem councils are amongst the worst. Do you seriously believe tree huggers care about the poor? People like Monbiot are doing the best to ensure the poor no longer have access to cars or cheap air travel, such democratisation was a huge mistake in their view, they couldn't give two hoots about the plebs, in fact it's vital we reduce their standard of living in order to save the planet.

NuLabour aren't New anymore, they've had a decade of inaction, why do you think they suddenly care now?

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Hehehe. Still needs pointed out that incoherent rants against Gordon Brown and the BBC do nothing to increase the credibility of the Conservative party. They only give the impression that the average Tory voter lines his hat with tin foil to stop THEM reading his thoughts.

Perhaps a sensibly argued clearly thought out case might be more persuasive? Just a thought. The hypothesis that it was a mistake to lower interest rates to levels they have been at for the last few years is plausible. But only a hypothesis.

I thought it was a pretty good move to prime the economy during a time of global recession and to tighten during a time of global expansion. Lowering interest rates and spending on the public sector in that light is reasonable. Squeezing the public sector a bit now seems equally reasonable.

What will I get from Cameron that I wont get from Brown? Maybe be worse off. My boss says the UK is an excellent place to do business. Dose not understand what all the complaining is about. Recons the govornment bends over backwards to support us.

Your boss also must be in the same mirror universe as you. This is amazing! How can you be posting on a forum in the real world? This may be some kind of interdimensional phenomena never seen before.

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I see his wife is turning into a tub of lard. Must be the thought of living with an ugly, lying, dysfunctional, nose picking monster who should really come out of the closet.

I've been going out with a girl, he-e-r name is Ju-u-lie

: but last night she said to me, when we were watching te-elly

: *This is what she said:)

: She said - "Listen John I love you, but there's this bloke I fancy

: I dont want to two time you, so it's the end for you and me"

: "Who's this bloke" I asked her, Go-o-or-don she replied

: "Not that puff" I said dismayed, "Yes, but he's no puff" she cri-ied

: "He's more of a man than you'll ever be!"

: Here we go 2 , 3, 4

: I was so upset that I cried all the way to the chi-ip shop

: When I came out there was Gordon, standing at the bu-us stop

: *And guess who was with him?*

: *Yeah Julie - and they were both laughing at me*

: Oh she's cruel and heartless

: Two packed me for Gordon

: Just 'cos Gordon's better looking than me

: Just 'cos he's cool and trendy

: But I know he's a moron

: Gordon is a moron

: Gordon is a moron

: Gordon is a moron

: Here we go 2, 3, 4

: Oh, she's a slag, and he is a creep

: She is a tart, he's very cheap

: She is a slut, he thinks he's tough

: She is a bitch, he is a puff

: Yeah Yeah It's not fair

: Yeah Yeah It's not fair

: I'm so upset

: I'm so upset

: I'm so upset

: Yeh Yeh

: I ought to smash his face in

: Yeah but he's bigger than me, innit

: I know, I'll get my mate Barry to hit him, he'd flatten him

: Yeah, but Barry's a mate of Gordon's, isn't he

:

: Oh well I don't care

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: I ought to smash his face in

: Yeah but he's bigger than me, innit

: I know, I'll get my mate Barry to hit him, he'd flatten him

: Yeah, but Barry's a mate of Gordon's, isn't he

:

: Oh well I don't care

Yeah, I've also noticed the MPC minutes have gotten a little surreal as of late.

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Champagne socialists are some of the best nimbies, tree huggery and nimbyism unite all the parties, Libdem councils are amongst the worst. Do you seriously believe tree huggers care about the poor? People like Monbiot are doing the best to ensure the poor no longer have access to cars or cheap air travel, such democratisation was a huge mistake in their view, they couldn't give two hoots about the plebs, in fact it's vital we reduce their standard of living in order to save the planet.

NuLabour aren't New anymore, they've had a decade of inaction, why do you think they suddenly care now?

You're right. I've left the Green Party mainly because I objected to their NIMBYISM. Locally, they're failing to make any impact on improving dire public transport (one of the biggest problems in the city). This is because most of their energy is thrown at blocking new housing developments (sod the young) and the expansion of Bristol airport (sod the local economy).

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Ive always thought a good test of a British Prime Minister would be to see how they could cope with the Nazi onslought in 1939, if you could transport them back in time.

Churchill - Obviously did a stella job, speaches were legendary

Maggie - No problem. Hitler would probably run a mile.

Blair - He seems to like war so might be a good bet.

Can you imagine Brown leading the country in the Battle of Britain in 1940? Can you imagine any speaches to rally the troops? I can imagine him cowering under a table. This guy and his party are SO far out of their depths. They have taken over in a period of relative calm and peace and STLL they manage to make a balls up of everything. If there is ever any dark times ahead, anything that compares to the times of the the 40's the cream would instantly rise to the top and these 'easy time politicians' like Brown and Cameron would melt away without a trace.

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You're right. I've left the Green Party mainly because I objected to their NIMBYISM. Locally, they're failing to make any impact on improving dire public transport (one of the biggest problems in the city). This is because most of their energy is thrown at blocking new housing developments (sod the young) and the expansion of Bristol airport (sod the local economy).

What does the Green Party think about peak oil?

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What planet is your boss living on? Is he working in the public sector or are you dealing with IVAs? Your boss sounds like an idiot if he reckons the UK is a good place to do business. :lol: This country was a great place to do business 10 years ago. Perhaps your boss could spin the pension argument for you?

IP. Silicon chips to you. The business has grown exponentially for the last 10 years. On the evidence I have seen so far of his performance I don't think he is an idiot. I wont even try to understand what "spin the pension argument" means. More bluster.

PS I am not a new labour supporter. I find the neo liberal (Blair / Brown / Cameron / Campbell et al) thing a bit bleak. I don't really think things will improve fundamentally until we loose a lot of the preconceptions we currently have.

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What does the Green Party think about peak oil?

They don't like the idea, as it implies there will be a natural curb in CO2 output. Expotential rises in the price of oil also makes nuclear seem attractive, and we all know what they think about that.

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IP. Silicon chips to you. The business has grown exponentially for the last 10 years. On the evidence I have seen so far of his performance I don't think he is an idiot. I wont even try to understand what "spin the pension argument" means. More bluster.

PS I am not a new labour supporter. I find the neo liberal (Blair / Brown / Cameron / Campbell et al) thing a bit bleak. I don't really think things will improve fundamentally until we loose a lot of the preconceptions we currently have.

Sorry to piss on your chips, but IP means Intellectual Property, mostly software, ie the stuff that loads into a compooota, firmware in the form of hardware design can also be called IP and is the first step in designing a chip but as far as I know the physical chip is never referred to as IP, whats your role, sounds like you're a code monkey.

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Imagine if Blair worked down B&Q.

"Excuse me mate, do you know what aisle the WMDs are in?"

F***kin brilliant! :P

This is what makes this site so informative, entertaining and unbiased unlike that BBC one where you get to hear the rate rise well before its out!!

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You're right. I've left the Green Party mainly because I objected to their NIMBYISM. Locally, they're failing to make any impact on improving dire public transport (one of the biggest problems in the city). This is because most of their energy is thrown at blocking new housing developments (sod the young) and the expansion of Bristol airport (sod the local economy).

I'm a now independent green and largely pro-NIMBY. I don't see the point of concreting over the UK with so much unused housing stock (including loads of 'chain free' BTL fodder with no one living there) around. If supply issues were the prime cause of HPI then new-build 2 beds should be cheap as chips as there's masses of empty units all over the country. While banks lend and speculators buy the madness continues.

Whey I never got involved with the official green party in recent years is because they've more or less ditched anti-growth ideas, monetary reform, the citizen's income and are now dominated by Respect-lite 'eco-marxists' (god knows what one of those is - most marxist states were as growth and production obsessed as any capitalist ones) like Derek Wall.

I know many of the old Ecology Party types (who tended to be small c conservatives), the monetary reformers, and the anti-statist libertarian greens feel more or less robbed of a party worth voting for.

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I'm a now independent green and largely pro-NIMBY. I don't see the point of concreting over the UK with so much unused housing stock (including loads of 'chain free' BTL fodder with no one living there) around. If supply issues were the prime cause of HPI then new-build 2 beds should be cheap as chips as there's masses of empty units all over the country. While banks lend and speculators buy the madness continues.

Whey I never got involved with the official green party in recent years is because they've more or less ditched anti-growth ideas, monetary reform, the citizen's income and are now dominated by Respect-lite 'eco-marxists' (god knows what one of those is - most marxist states were as growth and production obsessed as any capitalist ones) like Derek Wall.

I know many of the old Ecology Party types (who tended to be small c conservatives), the monetary reformers, and the anti-statist libertarian greens feel more or less robbed of a party worth voting for.

The Bristol Green Party NIMBIES are opposing the redevelopment of brownfield sites near the city centre for housing. They argue that it would increase the amount of traffic in the area.

Bristol does have a genuine shortage of accommodation. There are plans to build about 20,000 homes to the South of the city, on the greenbelt. My argument is that the more brownfield sites that can be developed for housing, the less greenbelt will need to be concreted over for housing.

Most of the jobs in the area are based in central and north Bristol, so creating as many new homes as possible near the centre, rather than several miles to the south, will reduce the overall amount of commuter traffic.

Congrats on going independent - a good move I expect!

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