British Pubs Face Smoking Ban "shock"

[Ash4781]

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/retail/bri...036;1080787.htm

It predicts this negative impact of the smoking ban, primarily implemented to protect employees of the hospitality sector, will decline further in the fourth quarter as colder weather decreases the attraction of a quick cigarette outside.

"We expect belts to tighten across the board over the next 18 months as high interest rates, low house price inflation and a weak international economic situation take effect," he predicted

Ouch!

Trapped in the house smoking!

Edited April 29, 2007 by Ash4781

[Blackholeshine]

If the purpose of a smoking ban is to save lives, more lives would be saved if pubs were banned from selling alcohol!

[HenryWeston]

Im sure it wont be long until pint glasses have 'alcohol kills' printed on them

[RichB]

Well I for one will be happy at not needing to wash my hair clothes after I go for a swift post travail pint.

[PropertyGuru]

Well I for one will be happy at not needing to wash my hair clothes after I go for a swift post travail pint.

aint that B.O. a bitch.

[Dr Doom]

Hitler was also a fan of smoking bans.

[Badger]

Well I for one will be happy at not needing to wash my hair clothes after I go for a swift post travail pint.

You can get clothes made out of cotton and stuff now, you should try them

[Bubble Pricker]

I am all for the smoking ban, as I don't like smoke filled pubs and the fact that one's clothes stink after even the briefest of visits.

However, this article is ridiculously sensationalist and a thinly veiled (pro-tobacco) VI piece of spin.

England's smoking ban is set to give pubs, clubs, restaurants and bars a "shock" fall in sales of tobacco and alcohol, an economics thinktank has warned.

The Centre for Economics and Business Research (Cebr), publishing its consumer and housing progress report today, reveals that Britain's hospitality sector is likely to see a three per cent reduction in tobacco and alcohol sales in the third quarter of 2007.

No shit sherlock! A smoking ban is going to affect sales of tobacco in pubs. Who would have thought that now? They must be thinking really deeply at that thinktank. What a shock! Scores of pubs will go out of business because of a massive 3% loss of revenue.

[Layman]

No shit sherlock! A smoking ban is going to affect sales of tobacco in pubs. Who would have thought that now? They must be thinking really deeply at that thinktank. What a shock! Scores of pubs will go out of business because of a massive 3% loss of revenue.

They'll make the 3% up easily by selling ex-smokers nuts and snacks for them to munch on instead of puffing away.

I have several friends who are smokers. They've tried giving up several times and always find that going out into a pub/club atmosphere is what gets them back on the ciggies after a break. They're all in favour of the ban and are positively looking forward to it.

Personally I see the main benefit being the whole smell issue.... I went out in Edinburgh for a few nights recently and it was great being able to wake up and not have your jeans and coat smelling of stale smoke.

[Guest Charlie The Tramp]

What grates me in pubs and restuarants are both men and women stinking of stale deodorant. When my lads finishes spraying himself I have to reach for a nebulizer. Oh and don`t talk to me about crowded trains.

[Guest muttley]

Well I for one will be happy at not needing to wash my hair clothes after I go for a swift post travail pint.

Me too.

I first went into a non-smoking bar in Canada three years ago. It was a much more pleasant experience than the smoke filled dens we have over here. Non-smoking areas in pubs don't work. It's a bit like having a non-urinating part in a swimming pool.

[deano]

It has serious implications for the pub trade. The claims that trade increases is frankly garbage, the fact that people smoke in pubs does not deter non smokers from going in, it never has. Retail pubs will be OK. Estate tenancy pubs will be hit hard because people will stay at home and drink instead of walking round the corner. They are already in difficulty, profits are on the margin. Many have closed already, many will close shortly. Another English tradition is dying.

[Englebert]

I am also looking forward to the no smoking ban. I don't smoke - I saw the damage done to my parents who were both smokers. On a slight tangent - kissing a girl who smokes - why not just lick an ashtray?

[doom and gloom merchant]

Hitler was also a fan of smoking bans.

Interestingly he was also a vegetarian, which just doesnt go with what we imagine a mass murdering dictator to be like,

You need to watch those vegans!!!!

[ChinaReader]

the fact that people smoke in pubs does not deter non smokers from going in, it never has.

Smoker, by any chance?

[CountryMove]

It has serious implications for the pub trade. The claims that trade increases is frankly garbage, the fact that people smoke in pubs does not deter non smokers from going in, it never has. Retail pubs will be OK. Estate tenancy pubs will be hit hard because people will stay at home and drink instead of walking round the corner. They are already in difficulty, profits are on the margin. Many have closed already, many will close shortly. Another English tradition is dying.

smoking and drinking is still alive and well in Ireland!

[deano]

Smoker, by any chance?

Yes! and I need help giving up. Like a ban in the pub where my resolve always desolves with the lager. VAT on quitting aids should have been scrapped altogether.

If the Chancellor cut the tax on alcohol in pubs at the same time as implementing the ban the pubs would survive, is that too unreasonable.

Edited April 29, 2007 by deano

[Wario]

Up here in the steerage-class end of the island a ban's been on the go since March 26th last year.

However the smart folks at VisitScotland have foreseen the harm to the licensed trade, and have moved swiftly to counter it.

Tourists (and locals, but they're less important, being generally skint) will note that their attention is now directed towards all public bars by permanent, year-round pavement displays of (extremely life-like) hairy dwarf gargoyles waving burning cigarettes, to ensure these establishments are not missed in the perpetual stygian gloom.

Try and get the kids to spot them from the car, if you're ever up this way. Start at Langholm, or the like, and see how many you can count before you hit a large town like Edinburgh or Glasgow, where food and plumbing are often available.

[bomberbrown]

Yes! and I need help giving up.

I was a staunch smoker and I gave up smoking August 14th 2004. One of the best decisions I have ever made.

I tried everything before, will power, patches. It was the nicotine chewing gum that helped me give up, the instant nicotine fix was the clincher.

You can get these chewing gums on the NHS (prescription). Make the most of your National Insurance contributions.

[Mrliberty]

As a smoker myself, I have to say I agree something needed to be done to improve the social environement of non-smokers. The trouble is, they have gone too far with this draconian all out ban. There should have been an element of choice involved, and everyone could have been kept happy.

Talk about the health of non-smokers and bar staff etc is nonsense. This isn't being done for anyones health benefit. ASH, the anti-smoking lobbyists, are in turm funded by big pharma. What do you think happens to sales of nicotine patches in countries that introduce bans? I've heard sales figures increasing by up to 60% in some places.

It's just another example of the state interfering with aspects of our lives that it has no business intruding upon. If I wasn't a smoker, I'd be thinking of starting, purely as a matter of principle.

Its also worth pointing that there will be one exception to the ban. Our lords and masters in the House of Commons bar will be able to continue smoking to their hearts content. Bloody hypocrisy of the highest order if you ask me.

[WSG]

If the purpose of a smoking ban is to save lives, more lives would be saved if pubs were banned from selling alcohol!

Genius ....when I get home pi****d again tonight I'll tell the wife I was a victim of passive drinking!!!

[oracle]

It has serious implications for the pub trade. The claims that trade increases is frankly garbage, the fact that people smoke in pubs does not deter non smokers from going in, it never has. Retail pubs will be OK. Estate tenancy pubs will be hit hard because people will stay at home and drink instead of walking round the corner. They are already in difficulty, profits are on the margin. Many have closed already, many will close shortly. Another English tradition is dying.

it potentially has serious consequences for the family too.

what if the smokers now buy a few cans at the offie and smoke at home.

1)their kids will be subjected to more passive smoke than would otherwise be the case.

2)the potential for a drunken row with a spouse increases...possibly leading to a rise in domestic violence.

3)the combination of extra drinking/smoking at home may also become a fire risk as drunken smokers fall asleep with a fag on the go.....if this happened in a pub there would be other alert-ish people to raise the alarm quickly.

THIS REALLY IS AN ILL-THOUGHT OUT.....DANGEROUS PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

[REP013]

oracle Posted Today, 03:27 PM

it potentially has serious consequences for the family too.

what if the smokers now buy a few cans at the offie and smoke at home.

1)their kids will be subjected to more passive smoke than would otherwise be the case.

2)the potential for a drunken row with a spouse increases...possibly leading to a rise in domestic violence.

3)the combination of extra drinking/smoking at home may also become a fire risk as drunken smokers fall asleep with a fag on the go.....if this happened in a pub there would be other alert-ish people to raise the alarm quickly.

THIS REALLY IS AN ILL-THOUGHT OUT.....DANGEROUS PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

You are absolutely right, at least people going into pubs have a choice and children at home do not.

If you are going to ban cigarettes in pubs, clubs, rental cars then BAN them completely (oops, sorry can't do that too much tax revenue) and whilst you're at it if you're looking to improve peoples health ban alcohol too (can't do that either, lose too many votes, tax and there is no such thing as passive drinking .... unless you ask the NHS, beaten wives, children, people who die through drink driving etc.).

F*cking hypocracy of the highest order ... either ban it or allow it!!!!

Lastly, this ban WILL cause problems for many PUBS, clubs etc but the BIGGEST loser will be the gaming industry; casinos where you can't smoke, bingo halls where you can't smoke, betting shops.

[Guest muttley]

Lastly, this ban WILL cause problems for many PUBS, clubs etc but the BIGGEST loser will be the gaming industry; casinos where you can't smoke, bingo halls where you can't smoke, betting shops.

They said that about cinemas. I can still remember when there was a smoking half of the cinema. By the end of the film it didn't matter much which side you sat on, as the smoke inevitably drifted over into the non-smoking area.

As an ex-smoker (stopped May 13th 1989) I can understand the frustrations of current smokers. The problem may have been solved if some pubs were willing to enforce a smoking ban, leaving smokers their own pubs. I suspect, however, that this ban has nothing to do with health, but is another example of control from the bossy, arrogant people that work in Whitehall nowadays.

[chichi]

Judging by the number of signs I've seen most pubs round here are for sale, to let or otherwise being sold off...

I suggest one problem is that people who are saving up money to send home can't afford to go to the pub...

Being skint and tied in with a mortgage means you can't go to the pub.

I'm sure some pubs are busy - those showing football and in the city centres where people go for a night out - but for the most its been a long hard slog over the last few years as beers got cheaper in the supermarkets and wages have had to rise to meet minimum wage.

My son had a great idea though - why don't they colour the colourless smoke that they were banging on about in that TV ad? If cigs really made that amount of smoke then I think most people would stop smoking... (Is it that they chemically reduce the amoiunt of smoke?)

When I gave up I did my last month on indian beedies which were interesting to say the least and nearly got me thrown out of a pub

but I found giving up really easy - I did get addicted to menthol chewing gum though which took me over a year to give up!!!