Peak Oil Going Mainstream?

[Bardon]

Shell net profit rises 60 per cent

http://news.smh.com.au/shell-net-profit-ri...80131-1pbt.html

[beefheart]

I think if you and Cells actually posted some tangible scientific evidence based on sound scientific principles and not the hokum you randomly trawl from the net you might face less ridicule.

Abiotic oil is utter bull with no sane credible geologist supporting it. It is a theory of a bygone age along with dragons, pixies, flat earth etc etc. It was simply an explanation to observed phenonema when little was understood about field dynamics. Better understanding of oil field dynamics, characteristics of earths mantle have effectively disproved abiotic oil theory.

Before the advent of space radar - venus was assumed to be a jungle planet - probably with large reptiles and dinosaurs. Many of your theories are of this particular vintage.

99% of the population believe the world is round - perhaps there is a reason for this?

"Abiotic oil is utter bull with no sane credible geologist supporting it."

"Although this theory is supported by geologists in Russia and Ukraine, it has recently begun to receive attention in the West, where the biogenic petroleum theory is accepted by the vast majority of petroleum geologists. Kudryavtsev's work was continued by many Russian researchers — Petr N. Kropotkin, Vladimir B. Porfir'ev, Emmanuil B. Chekaliuk, Vladilen A. Krayushkin, Georgi E. Boyko, Georgi I. Voitov, Grygori N. Dolenko, Iona V. Greenberg, Nikolai S. Beskrovny, Victor F. Linetsky and many others."

- Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiotic_oil

So it seems you are only credible if you support YOUR view of things. That paragraph puts paid to your "Abiotic oil is utter bull with no sane credible geologist supporting it."

"99% of the population believe the world is round - perhaps there is a reason for this?"

- in 1623 most of the 99% of the population world thought the earth was flat. Did that make them right and the earth changed to being round when we thought it was so?

Get YOUR facts right.

I provide links and evidence not DOGMA like yourself.

[mallory]

- in 1623 most of the 99% of the population world thought the earth was flat. Did that make them right and the earth changed to being round when we thought it was so?

Get YOUR facts right.

check out 'de sphaera mundi', published around 1230.

very influential pre-Copernican astronomy book, itself influenced by Islamic astronomy.

1230, and they knew the earth was a sphere. the belief that in the middle ages everyone believed the world to be flat is a victorian conceit.

suggest you get YOUR facts right

[and quoting scientist who had to work in stalinist russia is laughable. freedom of speech? freedom of thought? no....]

[why me]

Isn't it inevitable that the US will win at all costs. Remember full spectrum dominance. They're never going to let China have THEIR oil. The dollar is still held in vast quantities by the East. There's no financial or political escape from the US. This is the END GAME and the US knows it.

of course theres escape. They can default on their foreign dollars at the drop of a hat.

It will be the end game when China matches the USA in infrastructure and education and resources.

Dollars are just paper and highly combustable in all its forms.

[beefheart]

check out 'de sphaera mundi', published around 1230.

very influential pre-Copernican astronomy book, itself influenced by Islamic astronomy.

1230, and they knew the earth was a sphere. the belief that in the middle ages everyone believed the world to be flat is a victorian conceit.

suggest you get YOUR facts right

[and quoting scientist who had to work in stalinist russia is laughable. freedom of speech? freedom of thought? no....]

Ok rather the sun went round the earth. right date wrong idea.

and the russian scientist thing? NO ... you answered it yourself. I shall elaborate as much as you have.

pillock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gold worked with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kudryavtsev

on abiotic oil theory.

Gold was american so hopefully your "freedom of speech" imbecilic question is now answered.

[bear_or_bull]

"Abiotic oil is utter bull with no sane credible geologist supporting it."

"Although this theory is supported by geologists in Russia and Ukraine, it has recently begun to receive attention in the West, where the biogenic petroleum theory is accepted by the vast majority of petroleum geologists. Kudryavtsev's work was continued by many Russian researchers — Petr N. Kropotkin, Vladimir B. Porfir'ev, Emmanuil B. Chekaliuk, Vladilen A. Krayushkin, Georgi E. Boyko, Georgi I. Voitov, Grygori N. Dolenko, Iona V. Greenberg, Nikolai S. Beskrovny, Victor F. Linetsky and many others."

- Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiotic_oil

So it seems you are only credible if you support YOUR view of things. That paragraph puts paid to your "Abiotic oil is utter bull with no sane credible geologist supporting it."

"99% of the population believe the world is round - perhaps there is a reason for this?"

- in 1623 most of the 99% of the population world thought the earth was flat. Did that make them right and the earth changed to being round when we thought it was so?

Get YOUR facts right.

I provide links and evidence not DOGMA like yourself.

You do realise that the majority of Russian geologists over 30 (which is nearly all of them) don't believe in Plate Tectonics (as it was not taught due to being Capitalist Imperialism at work).

Nor do they "believe" in seismic. They just drilled on a grid.

Having said that, that Wiki article is pretty good. At least it's pretty verbose and informative. Unfortunately, when you read it with a smattering of geological knowledge it still doesn't stack up. It's good to not believe everything you read, but the correlative is that it's pretty bad to just randomly pick things you do and don't believe based on preconceptions. And yes, that's you...

[Kurt Barlow]

"Abiotic oil is utter bull with no sane credible geologist supporting it."

"Although this theory is supported by geologists in Russia and Ukraine, it has recently begun to receive attention in the West, where the biogenic petroleum theory is accepted by the vast majority of petroleum geologists. Kudryavtsev's work was continued by many Russian researchers — Petr N. Kropotkin, Vladimir B. Porfir'ev, Emmanuil B. Chekaliuk, Vladilen A. Krayushkin, Georgi E. Boyko, Georgi I. Voitov, Grygori N. Dolenko, Iona V. Greenberg, Nikolai S. Beskrovny, Victor F. Linetsky and many others."

- Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiotic_oil

So it seems you are only credible if you support YOUR view of things. That paragraph puts paid to your "Abiotic oil is utter bull with no sane credible geologist supporting it."

"99% of the population believe the world is round - perhaps there is a reason for this?"

- in 1623 most of the 99% of the population world thought the earth was flat. Did that make them right and the earth changed to being round when we thought it was so?

Get YOUR facts right.

I provide links and evidence not DOGMA like yourself.

Some people beleive the world is hollow and inhabited by a subterranean race of people. Infact the Nazi's even sent expeditions to investigate the hollow earth theory - sounds like Joules Verne on an acid trip!

Now I cant disprove hollow earth theory ( well other than by convetional scientific means) therefore it must be true

[fluffy666]

Ok rather the sun went round the earth. right date wrong idea.

and the russian scientist thing? NO ... you answered it yourself. I shall elaborate as much as you have.

pillock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gold worked with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kudryavtsev

on abiotic oil theory.

Gold was american so hopefully your "freedom of speech" imbecilic question is now answered.

Gold was also unaware of basic geology. He seemed to think that the earth had only just accreted, and forgot that outgassing was complete several billion years ago, and unlike (for instance) the moons of Jupiter, the earth has changed a LOT since it formed. The deep hot biosphere stuff is quite interesting - but trying to connect it to oil is a typical piece of 'Scientist-trying-to-make-research-sound-really-important' garbage.

Kudryavtsev's claims about mud volcanoes are just bizzare. Mud volcanoes are a typical result of highly overpressured rocks in areas of rapid subsidence (foreland basins usually); you get some associated gas from buried sediments but not generally great commercial amounts.

As I've said before, were this [deep oil] true then the oil majors could put OPEC out of business, and believe me they would enjoy doing that.

And, of course, anyone can write whatever they like on Wikipedia.. any references from the literature?

[Bardon]

Exxon Mobil breaks its own profits records

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headli...iz/5505076.html

[Methinkshe]

I came across this article in the Science section of the Daily Telegraph a few days ago - thought some of you might find it interesting.

Lost city could have been cradle of life

A lost city at the bottom of the ocean contains chemical traces that suggests it could have been the cradle of life on Earth.

The towering structures of the Lost City are nearly pure carbonate, the same material as limestone in caves

Some believe the right ingredients for life made their way from outer space. Darwin thought it emerged in a "warm little pond" and others have looked for answers on the sea floor.

Now evidence to back the latter submarine idea has emerged from the "Lost City" which lies at a depth of 2,600 feet, where creamy white to grey spires, pinnacles and 18 storey chimneys teem with microscopic marine life, as a volcanic system on the Atlantic sea floor that gradually pushes America and Britain apart.

The temperature and composition of fluids from a group of underwater hot springs there that are heated by the slow cooling of the underlying rocks, called a hydrothermal vent field, are similar to those predicted to have occurred during the early years of life on Earth.

Today, a team reports that hydrocarbons - the stuff of oil and gas and molecules critical to life - are routinely being generated by the simple chemical interaction of seawater with the rocks under the Lost City in the mid-Atlantic.

Being able to produce building blocks of life makes these sites, which are found in the world's oceans, even stronger contenders as places where life might have originated on Earth, according to Dr Giora Proskurowski and Prof Deborah Kelley, two authors of a paper in the journal Science.

Hydrocarbons, molecules with various combinations of hydrogen and carbon atoms, are key to cellular life. For instance, cell walls can be built from simple hydrocarbon chains and amino acids are short hydrocarbon chains hooked up with nitrogen, oxygen or sulphur atoms.

"The generation of hydrocarbons was the very first step, otherwise Earth would have remained lifeless," says Dr Proskurowski.

An analysis has ruled out a living origin for the hydrocarbons, which are the stuff of oil and gas reserves which, in turn, formed from the remains of prehistoric marine plants and animals that sank to the sea bed. But in the case of the Lost City, the ultimate source of the hydrocarbons is non living.

"The detection of these organic building blocks from a non-biological source is possible evidence in our quest to understand the origin of life on this planet and other solar bodies," Proskurowski says.

Could this mean the world's reserves of oil and gas have been underestimated, chiming with an idea popularised by the scientist Thomas Gold that non living geological processes can make petroleum? "I'd speculate that petroleum accumulation at Lost City-type deep sea system is unlikely," says Proskurowski.

The Lost City hydrothermal vent field is about 2,300 miles east of Florida, on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. Microorganisms there thrive in alkaline vent fluids, some nearly as caustic as liquid drain cleaner. This contrasts to the previously studied black-smoker vents where organisms have adjusted to acidic water.

Lost City microbes dine on methane and hydrogen instead of the carbon dioxide that is the key energy source for life at black-smoker vents.

The towering structures of the Lost City are nearly pure carbonate, the same material as limestone in caves. The structures drape the cliffs at Lost City and range from the size of tiny toadstools to the 18-story column, named Poseidon, that dwarfs most known black smoker vents by at least 100 feet.

The field was named Lost City in part because it is on top of a submerged mountain named Atlantis and was discovered by chance during an expedition on board the research vessel Atlantis.