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If you lived in Britain in the 1930's you would have not had a hope in hell of ever purchasing your own property unless you either owned a business, worked in the Civil Service, or you were top of your field in a profession, a real profession when they existed.

So how have things changed today, could it be possible that we are all sinking into the past. The that Thatcher years of promoting home ownership for everyone has been hijacked by the socialist labour party, the party that has always opposed any form of ownership.

Remember, Socialists have a saying "Property is Theft" I think they appear to be making serious headway in recreating the poverty of the 1930's something they appear to be relishing with great enthusiasm. I have not seen them mention once on the Media that they are concerned that young british families are priced out due to their mishandling of the economy.

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If you lived in Britain in the 1930's you would have not had a hope in hell of ever purchasing your own property unless you either owned a business, worked in the Civil Service, or you were top of your field in a profession, a real profession when they existed.

So how have things changed today, could it be possible that we are all sinking into the past. The that Thatcher years of promoting home ownership for everyone has been hijacked by the socialist labour party, the party that has always opposed any form of ownership.

Remember, Socialists have a saying "Property is Theft" I think they appear to be making serious headway in recreating the poverty of the 1930's something they appear to be relishing with great enthusiasm. I have not seen them mention once on the Media that they are concerned that young british families are priced out due to their mishandling of the economy.

True thinking about this i am glad i am 31. I would hate to be leaving school now looking for a job and then trying to find my own home.

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I don't know about all this Brown and Blair slagging. Whilst I am angry about many of the things they have done or failed to do I doubt strongly that their aim is to destroy the UK. I think it is an illusion to suggest that Blair and Brown have that much power. It is the British people who jump on the bandwagon. It is the banks who lend irresponsibly. No one forces the people to buy houses at inflated prices. No one forces people to vote for parties committed to a first past the post election system in which a minority of the votes can lead to a majority of the power.

Our fellow citizens need to shoulder some of the blame. You could have replaced Tony with David but I doubt it would have led to a radically different outcome.

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If you lived in Britain in the 1930's you would have not had a hope in hell of ever purchasing your own property unless you either owned a business, worked in the Civil Service, or you were top of your field in a profession, a real profession when they existed.

Ah now that's where you're wrong in the south and midlands there was a housing boom in the later 1930s suprisingly enough fuelled by low interest rates and a growing population:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depress...nd_the_Midlands

Genrerally Britain wasn't hit as bad as America because we wern't implementing the completely daft economic policies the Americans were.

EDIT:

US GDP fell by 50%

See page 35 of this for a comparison graph of the GDP per capita of the US, UK, France, Italy, and Germany. You can see that the US economy was ruined, ours was not really damaged in comarison:

http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~fperri/papers/italyall.pdf

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I don't know about all this Brown and Blair slagging. Whilst I am angry about many of the things they have done or failed to do I doubt strongly that their aim is to destroy the UK. I think it is an illusion to suggest that Blair and Brown have that much power. It is the British people who jump on the bandwagon. It is the banks who lend irresponsibly. No one forces the people to buy houses at inflated prices. No one forces people to vote for parties committed to a first past the post election system in which a minority of the votes can lead to a majority of the power.

Our fellow citizens need to shoulder some of the blame. You could have replaced Tony with David but I doubt it would have led to a radically different outcome.

you are right to a point I think.

the doctrine over the last 20 years has changed...in thatchers time she was very much a de-centralist,wanting people to take responsibility for their actions.

..this time with blair we have a "all knowing-all seeing" central state who can legislate everything...very much like the old USSR.

the economics cannot be touched,they are determined by the elite and the bankers,but the social aspect is up for tinkering.

personally I'd rather have thatchers model.I'd like to be able to send my daughter to a good private school with assistance in years to come,rather than her be pegged back with some sink estate yob's level.....if I have high standards for her I want her to have every opportunity to make the best of herself she can.....if she doesn't take the chances it's her fault....if she is denied them by government it's THEIR fault.(and by the same reckoning it would be my fault for supporting such a party.....which I most certainly don't)

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I don't know about all this Brown and Blair slagging. Whilst I am angry about many of the things they have done or failed to do I doubt strongly that their aim is to destroy the UK. I think it is an illusion to suggest that Blair and Brown have that much power. It is the British people who jump on the bandwagon. It is the banks who lend irresponsibly. No one forces the people to buy houses at inflated prices.

You are in my opinion completely correct. Three years of an economics degree taught me how complex and unpredictable economies are, there are so many variables in play for whatever aspect of the economy you wish to consider it's impossible to have perfect control.

The best analogy is that Gordon Brown is the helmsman of a small boat in a big fast moving river, yes he has a tiller, but he is largely at the mercy of the current.

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You are in my opinion completely correct. Three years of an economics degree taught me how complex and unpredictable economies are, there are so many variables in play for whatever aspect of the economy you wish to consider it's impossible to have perfect control.

The best analogy is that Gordon Brown is the helmsman of a small boat in a big fast moving river, yes he has a tiller, but he is largely at the mercy of the current.

Then with respect maybe you should do another three years.

He has his finger firmly on the button as does every Government before him.

He may well fool the wider public but he dont fool me. He manipulates interest rates via the Nataional Statistics Office, and further manipulates the economy with the importation of cheap labour, and thus cheaper lower living standards.

Its not rocket science, and you dont need to study it for three years to see it.

You can make most things complicated, but when it comes to economics the reality is that it will always be the same.

Supply and Demand.

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The present status quo began when the UK and America embraced monetarism and free market liberalism/globalization.

The current govenment are just a continuation of a sea change in economics and business which has taken root in the last 20 years. Tony Blair is not much different from Thatcher.

It brings certain benefits (free trade, competitiveness and flexibility) but it also redistributes wealth away from the majority and into the hands of an elite.

In this context, yes were are indeed returning to the 1930s.

So forget about your dreams of a Middle Class lifestyle and home ownership. Class and wealth divides are now an inescapable aspect of modern British society and will increasingly become so.

Unless we rethink our relation to society, big business, the rest of the world and the planet itself, I´m afraid not much will change.

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Remember, Socialists have a saying "Property is Theft" I think they appear to be making serious headway in recreating the poverty of the 1930's something they appear to be relishing with great enthusiasm. I have not seen them mention once on the Media that they are concerned that young british families are priced out due to their mishandling of the economy.

Actually, that was the Anarchist Proudon. Proudon, like most anarchist thinkers, did not have a problem with 'individual possession' so you could still have your own house, TV, etc. He was against mass-appropriation of land and resources into private hands. He became a major critic of Marx and also of the Russian Anarchism of Bakunnin.

"it is proper to call different things by different names, if we keep the name 'property' for the former (individual) possession], we must call the latter (the domain of property) robbery, repine, brigandage. If, on the contrary, we reserve the name 'property' for the latter, we must designate the former by the term possession or some other equivalent; otherwise we should be troubled with an unpleasant synonym."
In his book The Confessions of a Revolutionary, Proudhon wrote among other things, the well known phrase, anarchy is order. He attempted to create a national bank that gave out interest-free loans, similar in some respects to credit unions, which had been in place in England long before his birth.

Gimme summa that!

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