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I am afraid that those who think that Britain has a secure future are misled. We have been living in a 'have everything' society for too long and not been investing in our future. Many people are waiting for the ruling classes and the captains of industry to help us poor proles out and restore Britain to it's 'rightful place' in society.

Here's the hard truth guys. They don't give two hoots about us! If we as the citizenry believe that the rich boys are loyal to anything other than their own bloated wallets, we are fools. If we won't work for £7 per hour then there are a few million perfectly qualified and better educated Romanians, Poles, Latvians.....who will work for not much more than the minimum wage until they are established and then they will push us back into our own second class citizenry along with our huge mortgages and credit card debts.

So, where does that leave the folks with huge motgages and dodgy jobs? Up sh1t creek that's where!

The proof of this can be found in the business columns of countless newsmedia across the country. We are owned by other countries. Our car industry is a good example! The first sign of global trouble and the foriegners get it first - that's us folks - we're the foriegners! Remember Peugeot? We are set to become the third world guys with the money held by a very small proportion of the population. The rest of us will be in serfdom. At the moment the rich are getting richer etc etc. In twenty years time, we will be totally owned along with our huge debts that anchor us to the coat tails of the rich. The more indebted we are the more 'pliable' we will be.

Wages ARE NOT rising and everything else is. I can tell you this because I am an employer and I cannot afford to accept anything more than 2.5% this year!

Pull your horns in folks, we're in for a rough ride.

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I am afraid that those who think that Britain has a secure future are misled. We have been living in a 'have everything' society for too long and not been investing in our future. Many people are waiting for the ruling classes and the captains of industry to help us poor proles out and restore Britain to it's 'rightful place' in society.

Here's the hard truth guys. They don't give two hoots about us! If we as the citizenry believe that the rich boys are loyal to anything other than their own bloated wallets, we are fools. If we won't work for £7 per hour then there are a few million perfectly qualified and better educated Romanians, Poles, Latvians.....who will work for not much more than the minimum wage until they are established and then they will push us back into our own second class citizenry along with our huge mortgages and credit card debts.

So, where does that leave the folks with huge motgages and dodgy jobs? Up sh1t creek that's where!

The proof of this can be found in the business columns of countless newsmedia across the country. We are owned by other countries. Our car industry is a good example! The first sign of global trouble and the foriegners get it first - that's us folks - we're the foriegners! Remember Peugeot? We are set to become the third world guys with the money held by a very small proportion of the population. The rest of us will be in serfdom. At the moment the rich are getting richer etc etc. In twenty years time, we will be totally owned along with our huge debts that anchor us to the coat tails of the rich. The more indebted we are the more 'pliable' we will be.

Wages ARE NOT rising and everything else is. I can tell you this because I am an employer and I cannot afford to accept anything more than 2.5% this year!

Pull your horns in folks, we're in for a rough ride.

Behold the upcoming civil war.

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Sorry to agree with you. I saw these changes afoot a few years ago which is why I decided to retrain after being made redundant. After four years I now have a degree and am working in a skilled job which, although is outsourceable, I could go where the work is. I wouldn't really want to leave family and friends behind, but it might be a choice between a decent standard of living and being near family in future if push comes to shove.

Like you, I sense the winds of change in our country. The elite love the fact that there is now one open market for jobs and we can all be undercut by migrants willing to work for less because they are used to a lower standard of living. They've got it all wrong unfortunately - if they were willing to sacrifice short term gain for long term better conditions for everyone, they might see that what they are participating in (the migrants) is nothing short of economic decimation. A forced lowering of our standard of living because of a government which is far to willing to bow to big business will destroy the middle classes and leave this country in a similar state to a soviet state in the 1970's. I am not being racist, I am observing what is happening and I don't like it. I have first hand experience of friends losing jobs because they have been undercut by migrants with the same skills but willing to work for less.

The final question in this - what effect will a general lowering of wage demand have on house prices? Who will have the money to buy up the cheap houses once prices start falling?

I believe you are right in your assertion that this will become a feudal type society - those that do have the money when the crash comes will be in a position to buy up the cheap stock (these people would presumably need to have good jobs or high net worth). There will be a massive transfer of asset wealth into the hands of the have's at the expense of the have-nots.

Once this process has stabilised, the demographic and political landscape will have changed considerably as we move to become level with countries like India and China.

If only it was the other way round - if only the Chinese and Indians were forced to RAISE their standard of living to something along Swedish or Canadian lines. Why does it always have to be a lowering of standards?

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The Labour Party will go down in history as being a party of extremists and that is a fact.

What benefits has the labour party brought to the general public in their years of office.

We have had wars we do not subscribe to and in terms of legality very dodgy.

We have mass layoffs in our hospitals

Transport System is non existant

Living Standards are lower than in the first years after the second world war and the rebuilding of the nation.

We are all suffering at the hands of this party of self serving champagne socialists.

And prepare yourself for phase 2 of the road to globalisation with an invasion of Iran.

Ever heard of Chaos theory, well its now happening everywhere.

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Yes, NuLabor has succeeded in fooling the majority of the populace into believing they are better off when in fact they have been driven into a lifetime of debt.

The attitude amongst the PTB is that there's social control to be had in providing a "low inflation", "low interest" environment. If you can be shackled into a lifetime of debt, you are easier to control.

This government will go down in history as being the last nail in the coffin of liberty and the final seal on the creation of a police state.

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We have [ ... ] not been investing in our future.

Yes.

Fortunately the individual investor is now empowered with globalised reach, fast access to localised information and the ability to act upon it around the clock; this makes it relatively simple to suppliment the economic environment in which the individual find themselves today with unearned income sourced from a broad and deep range of investments.

Wages ARE NOT rising and everything else is. I can tell you this because I am an employer and I cannot afford to accept anything more than 2.5% this year!

Pull your horns in folks, we're in for a rough ride.

If you're an employee working for such company with no moat and no pricing power you're probably screwed anyway; negotiate your way into a better role with a less inept industry peer, and do it soon before your present employer hits the wall.

And don't listen to this crap about belt tightening and horn pulling unless it's paid for in kind with employer issued equity (and even then think long and hard about what such promissary notes are worth).

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From the Labour party website:

'The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few. Where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe. And where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.’

Clause 4 of the Labour Party constitution

ROFL - 'wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few.' HAHAAHA - they gave up on that a long time ago.

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Sorry to agree with you. I saw these changes afoot a few years ago which is why I decided to retrain after being made redundant. After four years I now have a degree and am working in a skilled job which, although is outsourceable, I could go where the work is. I wouldn't really want to leave family and friends behind, but it might be a choice between a decent standard of living and being near family in future if push comes to shove.

Like you, I sense the winds of change in our country. The elite love the fact that there is now one open market for jobs and we can all be undercut by migrants willing to work for less because they are used to a lower standard of living. They've got it all wrong unfortunately - if they were willing to sacrifice short term gain for long term better conditions for everyone, they might see that what they are participating in (the migrants) is nothing short of economic decimation. A forced lowering of our standard of living because of a government which is far to willing to bow to big business will destroy the middle classes and leave this country in a similar state to a soviet state in the 1970's. I am not being racist, I am observing what is happening and I don't like it. I have first hand experience of friends losing jobs because they have been undercut by migrants with the same skills but willing to work for less.

The final question in this - what effect will a general lowering of wage demand have on house prices? Who will have the money to buy up the cheap houses once prices start falling?

I believe you are right in your assertion that this will become a feudal type society - those that do have the money when the crash comes will be in a position to buy up the cheap stock (these people would presumably need to have good jobs or high net worth). There will be a massive transfer of asset wealth into the hands of the have's at the expense of the have-nots.

Once this process has stabilised, the demographic and political landscape will have changed considerably as we move to become level with countries like India and China.

If only it was the other way round - if only the Chinese and Indians were forced to RAISE their standard of living to something along Swedish or Canadian lines. Why does it always have to be a lowering of standards?

It's not a lowering of standards, but more correctly a leveling. Our standard is dropping and China and India's is raising.

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It's the trouble with kids. You need to keep it simple.

You believe in "us and them".

It's bo11ocks. The them is us and the us is them, though it might take you till your 40s to realise it. That's how long it took me, anyway. You might hit it younger or you might never realise it at all. Once you puncture that nonsense you'll never look back.

You have the power to change things. Unless you're Bob Dylan or Lee Harvey Oswald or Charles Dickens, you're unlikely to change the world. Much better is to concentrate on changing yourself instead.

Don't you dare to tell me: "Here's the hard truth guys".

Who the fvcking hell are you to tell me the "hard truth"? You wouldn't know the hard truth if it bit you on the **** while you were sleeping off last night's telly.

I don't know "the hard truth" either, because there's no such thing. It's meaningless. But I've spent much of the last 25 years travelling and dealing with people who (I suspect) know a lot more about the "hard truth" than you or me.

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The thing that gets me is that the economic migrants will just generally follow the economic 'winds'. As soon as another European economy starts booming many will be off like a shot leaving the UK with a low wage economy and few people willing to do the work.

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From the Labour party website:

'The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few. Where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe. And where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.’

Clause 4 of the Labour Party constitution

ROFL - 'wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few.' HAHAAHA - they gave up on that a long time ago.

Ah the spin machine at max rpm. Let's look at this nonsense more closely shall we.

The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party

Ok, this they get for free. We can define both democratic and largely socialist. However, we need to be careful that when used together that they are not used to mean something else. Example Nationalist socialist party - is this representative of a party whose goals are in the national interest and socialist?

Believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone,

A great phrase. When people work together we achieve more than we do alone. However, why bother telling us this - is there a political party out there that does not believe this? that wants society broken down to the individual because it believes more will be achieved by 60 million individuals ? This is simple rabble rousing.

so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential

Meaningless tosh. What are these "means" they are talking about? If you are not specific this could be anything and what is our true potential and how will we know if we have met it. What if it is a lot lower than New labour think it is? What if an individual feels his potential has not been met, how will this be addressed? An alternative set of words for potential are possible, prospective, would-be it is therefore defined as "may" or "might", it is in essence immeasurable. Fantastic so I now have "some" means to reach "some" level of achievement - so that’s nice and clear then.

and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few

Great. Wonderful words again, except which party is it that wants to get elected by telling the people that it wants power, wealth and opportunity (see discussion of potential above) in the hands of the few. This is another hooray sentence which is intentionally ambiguous in order to get as many people nodding along as possible without actually giving you something that you can measure to see if they have actually achieved this or stated how they will go about it.

Where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe.

Whoa there. What rights are these and what duties are owed upon them? Do all the people you know agree on what their rights are? Or what rights other people are entitled to? But don't let that get in Nulabs way, simply leave it open for you to decide after all, we never said what rights we meant did we?

And where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.’

Oh wow, where is this utopia we dream of? . But wait, exactly how free am I going to be - free from crime perhaps, what about free from tax - that’s freedom too? Ok, solidarity, tolerance and respect - so am I to assume that NuLab now are proposing that all 60million people are going to get on together respecting each other and tolerating every aspect of each others life ? How exactly would NuLabour feel about the imposition of sharia law on homosexuals? How tolerant will they be of drug use, illegal camp sites, driving 4x4 cars - after all one persons freedom is someone else’s blight.

Well done to Neilr9 for posting the example of new labour spin. This single paragraph isn't even a complex example of the way they use rhetoric to influence the gullible people of this country (and before any lefties get upset I make no assertion that cameron or the other old duffer are any better). What NuLabour have done is raise the bar on this kind of rubbish to a new level which anyone who wishes to get elected will have to adopt. As with so many other things they have done, their incompetence and corruption have permanently stained our society and the legacy of this will take years to remove if it is ever removed.

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Once this process has stabilised, the demographic and political landscape will have changed considerably as we move to become level with countries like India and China.

If only it was the other way round - if only the Chinese and Indians were forced to RAISE their standard of living to something along Swedish or Canadian lines. Why does it always have to be a lowering of standards?

They are raising their standard of living. And why shouldn't they?

If the UK's standard of living is falling (tell that to a Chinese or Indian man working hard to feed his family) then think about changing something. Selling stuff to the Chinese and Indians would be a good plan.

The UK's full of whingers who think it is all up to Them to fix it. Face it, you're on your own. It's liberating to realise that.

JY

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If you're an employee working for such company with no moat and no pricing power you're probably screwed anyway; negotiate your way into a better role with a less inept industry peer, and do it soon before your present employer hits the wall.

And don't listen to this crap about belt tightening and horn pulling unless it's paid for in kind with employer issued equity (and even then think long and hard about what such promissary notes are worth).

I agree. There is wage inflation, the GDP stats put it at about 6% and the employment stats over 4%. I think the OP is probably working in a poorly performing company or sector. Change your job, you may be surprised how much it can benefit yourself.

Edit: About the immigrants thing, can we turf out the Brits who have moved overseas looking for better pay & living standards? If the UK is going down this path, I would be delighted to see the buck toothed, lardy Brits kicked out of their adoptive countries also.

:angry:

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It's not a lowering of standards, but more correctly a leveling. Our standard is dropping and China and India's is raising.

And a house doesn't cost 200K in China and India. Goodbye property owning democracy!

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Dear TenantFromHell,

You really should have been paying more attention. I realised that the Labour party would screw over its erstwhile supporters in the mid-1990s, I did try to get people to stop believing in them, but at the time it seemed that I couldn't change their minds. I also identified when the indebtedness economy came in when I got the impression that people thought if they just all ran up their credit cards then they'd be rich like the Americans, I thought that was nuts and they didnt know much about the real America. I also identified the mania around house prices as a house price bubble in 2001 or so, a bit too early I suppose, but how was I to know it would be the biggest bubble ever?

If you got yourself in to too much debt it's your own fault, you spent the money, if you voted labour you should be kicking yourself for being so stupid, and if you are wiped out in the HPC you really should have been paying more attention.

Coming soon: The unwinding of all of this craziness that's gong on, it's going to be carnage.

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A country cannot sustain or build propserity based on borrowing. Gordon's Miracle Economy has reduced our manufacturing base, lowered real wages, created 1.2 Trillion pounds of personal debt, pushed the trade balance into negative territory and raised taxes for everyone. This is not a Miracle Economy unless the fact that it has lasted so long is miraculous. :angry:

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Sorry to agree with you. I saw these changes afoot a few years ago which is why I decided to retrain after being made redundant. After four years I now have a degree and am working in a skilled job which, although is outsourceable, I could go where the work is. I wouldn't really want to leave family and friends behind, but it might be a choice between a decent standard of living and being near family in future if push comes to shove.

Like you, I sense the winds of change in our country. The elite love the fact that there is now one open market for jobs and we can all be undercut by migrants willing to work for less because they are used to a lower standard of living. They've got it all wrong unfortunately - if they were willing to sacrifice short term gain for long term better conditions for everyone, they might see that what they are participating in (the migrants) is nothing short of economic decimation. A forced lowering of our standard of living because of a government which is far to willing to bow to big business will destroy the middle classes and leave this country in a similar state to a soviet state in the 1970's. I am not being racist, I am observing what is happening and I don't like it. I have first hand experience of friends losing jobs because they have been undercut by migrants with the same skills but willing to work for less.

The final question in this - what effect will a general lowering of wage demand have on house prices? Who will have the money to buy up the cheap houses once prices start falling?

I believe you are right in your assertion that this will become a feudal type society - those that do have the money when the crash comes will be in a position to buy up the cheap stock (these people would presumably need to have good jobs or high net worth). There will be a massive transfer of asset wealth into the hands of the have's at the expense of the have-nots.

Once this process has stabilised, the demographic and political landscape will have changed considerably as we move to become level with countries like India and China.

If only it was the other way round - if only the Chinese and Indians were forced to RAISE their standard of living to something along Swedish or Canadian lines. Why does it always have to be a lowering of standards?

I tend to agree with much that you say here. I only wish you did not have to say the highlighted phrase. I feel it empowers people who wish to create a sense of guilt in people, for something they have no need to feel guilty for.

No one cried "racist" when we opposed Hitler ....a Geman who wanted to march in here and create a better world ....for himself and his ilk. Not wanting to lose out to another culture/regime was OK then. Our present freedoms are due to that very opposition. Sadly the lunatics are now in danger of taking over the asylum ( no pun intended)

The more you bow to a 'fadist' :rolleyes: opinion and include that apology - for nowt IMO - the more they will imagine they have the right to expect it.

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And a house doesn't cost 200K in China and India. Goodbye property owning democracy!

In some parts of India (Greater Noida for example), prices of flats are similar to those in London. It's where a lot of work has gone, particularly in high tech.

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I agree. There is wage inflation, the GDP stats put it at about 6% and the employment stats over 4%. I think the OP is probably working in a poorly performing company or sector. Change your job, you may be surprised how much it can benefit yourself.

Edit: About the immigrants thing, can we turf out the Brits who have moved overseas looking for better pay & living standards? If the UK is going down this path, I would be delighted to see the buck toothed, lardy Brits kicked out of their adoptive countries also.

:angry:

If you live in the UK be glad they went. There would be little room for them now. And I don't recall them getting into a country that did not vet them and require them to have jobs/cash so as not to put a strain on that country's economy.

Rip off Britain: the only "house" with no "locks" on its doors. ;): the only country to pay more for its own goods than others.

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If you live in the UK be glad they went. There would be little room for them now. And I don't recall them getting into a country that did not vet them and require them to have jobs/cash so as not to put a strain on that country's economy.

Rip off Britain: the only "house" with no "locks" on its doors. ;): the only country to pay more for its own goods than others.

Not really the point though, AuntJess. If the UK is going down the path of xenophobia will that mean we are going to get it back in the bucket load? It's a point that always seems to be missed in the whole debate. How many Brits move overseas and never learn the language and then hide in their ex-pat communities? The British cause their very own problems when they move overseas.

As for

And I don't recall them getting into a country that did not vet them and require them to have jobs/cash so as not to put a strain on that country's economy.

Brits can and do move throughout the EU without too much hassle.

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How many Brits move overseas and never learn the language and then hide in their ex-pat communities?

Most of them are on short-term contracts in places like Saudi which have no desire to see them integrate into the local community. As for the chavs in Spain who've got rich from selling their cut-price council house, I doubt anyone would be upset if the Spanish kicked them out.

I don't believe there's any other developed country in the world with such an 'open door' policy to immigration: if Britain was to become a normal country which only allowed immigration by skilled workers under a points system and a limited number of refugees and relatives, how would that somehow make us a pariah state?

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Most of them are on short-term contracts in places like Saudi which have no desire to see them integrate into the local community. As for the chavs in Spain who've got rich from selling their cut-price council house, I doubt anyone would be upset if the Spanish kicked them out.

I don't believe there's any other developed country in the world with such an 'open door' policy to immigration: if Britain was to become a normal country which only allowed immigration by skilled workers under a points system and a limited number of refugees and relatives, how would that somehow make us a pariah state?

But the majority of EU citizens have the right to live and work here without any points test as do Brits in say, Germany. Does Germany or France enforce a system on other EU citizens?

I think an Aussie style system would be good, but it may not cover EU citizens.

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Not really the point though, AuntJess. If the UK is going down the path of xenophobia will that mean we are going to get it back in the bucket load? It's a point that always seems to be missed in the whole debate. How many Brits move overseas and never learn the language and then hide in their ex-pat communities? The British cause their very own problems when they move overseas.

As for

Brits can and do move throughout the EU without too much hassle.

I agree that there are brits who move overseas to places like France and try to set up enclaves of english speakers. The French are naturally aggravated by this but then the French have been buying up cottages on the west irish coast for years. I remember staying in a holiday cottage in cornwall in the early 1980's which was owned by a dutch woman so it's not a new phenomenon.

I don't believe that imposing quotas and a points system would cause problems as australia, new zealand, canada and the US have similar schemes in place.

The British system is out of control and it's all down to government policy in the knowledge that the population is ageing and demographics are shifting. This government needs immigration to keep the economy afloat through housing demand and HPI, that's why it refuses to do anything about immigration.

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