10 Million Want To Quit Over Taxed Uk

[penguin]

call me mad with a capital M but i love the uk its so ******ed up we must be the but of all our european neighbours jokes, im one of a dying breed to be proud to be british, sure our economy is completely tits up but the fact we all keep moaning and threating to leave the country is soooooooo british, wer a nation of moaners, im a self confessed moaner and these people who think there getting wealthy cus there house has gone up in value are kidding themselves, because whatever profit they get will go back into getting another house of the same price, the value hasnt changed, its simply th erate of which we exchange house for, 10 years ago it was 60k and u mite move up to a 65k, nowadays its 215k to a 220k, and many seem to think that they can now become "property developers" really tickles my tits, im just gona slap on some cream paint, laminate the floor and change a lightswitch, ching ching! im a property developer! only the british can have that mentality but thats what i love about the uk, wer all ******ED!!

[Guest Bart of Darkness]

ONE in five Britons — nearly 10m adults — is considering leaving the country amid growing disillusionment over the failure of political parties to deliver tax cuts, according to a new poll.

Is that really their main concern, tax cuts?

I can understand being disenchanted with the state of modern Britain, but tax cuts wouldn't even make my top 10.

[BubblesBurst]

Is that really their main concern, tax cuts?

I can understand being disenchanted with the state of modern Britain, but tax cuts wouldn't even make my top 10.

Yes I'm not bothered about the tax either, it's the crime and everything else that's not so GREAT about britain anymore!

[Guest Bart of Darkness]

Yes I'm not bothered about the tax either, it's the crime and everything else that's not so GREAT about britain anymore!

Yup, same here.

[Xurbia]

Yes I'm not bothered about the tax either, it's the crime and everything else that's not so GREAT about britain anymore!

The tax increases haven't exactly been spent wisely. I would suggest that they've mostly just increased inflation rather well.

[Realistbear]

WE are a nation in social, economic and moral decline. The past 9 years or so of HPI-MEW has caused us all to believe we deserve the most expensive houses in the world and can drive a new Audi A4 RS4 on the weekdays and use our RangeRover Vogue to drive to our 2nd home in Devon on the weekends. Well, the party is coming to an abrupt end because production is going East, NS Oil is not what it used to be and Gordon can't keep the miracle going with much more borrowing because credit is getting too tight. The WSJ is suggesting a huge crash in house prices of the order of 50% in the US--we will be lucky to drop that little here IMO.

[Xurbia]

Yes, that's my take on tax. Not exactly wanting cuts, more nausea at the waste and profligacy. So yes, in effect, I want cuts.

But the crime and legal shenanigans to do with ducking everyday responsibility are the most depressing things about modern UK for me. (But I'm an optimist, and know that evil always devours itself in the end, although it can get pretty extreme first.)

I'm just no good with change. I find it depressing when downland is churned up to make way for new noddy boxes and hypermarkets. With all the money sloshing around we really should be making the UK look less grey and battered. In part the HPI has helped renovate areas but it's also responsible for the Mondeo-man new estates with paper thin walls.

[Guest mattsta1964]

WE are a nation in social, economic and moral decline. The past 9 years or so of HPI-MEW has caused us all to believe we deserve the most expensive houses in the world and can drive a new Audi A4 RS4 on the weekdays and use our RangeRover Vogue to drive to our 2nd home in Devon on the weekends. Well, the party is coming to an abrupt end because production is going East, NS Oil is not what it used to be and Gordon can't keep the miracle going with much more borrowing because credit is getting too tight. The WSJ is suggesting a huge crash in house prices of the order of 50% in the US--we will be lucky to drop that little here IMO.

The thing about the UK that confounds me most is the veneer of wealth here.

There are a lot of poor people. There are a lot of pseudo rich people. There are a few really rich people

The poor people are poor because they have nothing

The pseudo rich people own property, drive nice cars and have three holidays a year

THe really rich people own houses they have paid for, drive nice cars they have paid for and their holidays are paid for in cash.

There are going to be alot more poor people in the UK..........very soon

[Michael]

I gave up with the UK 6 years ago working abroad up to last year when the overseas jobs for the company I work for dried up. However I only work in the UK for 7 months of the year, living in a caravan and live on a yacht out in Malaysia & Thailand for the other 5.

I earn around £15 per hour and work up to 70 hours per week during my time here. Over in Thailand I live on £1000 per month which is luxurious when you consider most people earn less than £200 per month.

Consider this.........If I work 10 hours on a saturday and sunday with premiums I take home about £350. Outside of Bangkok and other tourist areas it is possible to stay in a hotel with on suite, TV, aircon and a maid for about £100 per month. So there you have it one weekends work pays for 3 1/2 months stay, the only extras are food and beer (and err women).

There is more to life than taking out the biggest mortgage possible then borrowing up to the hilt just to keep up with the neighbours. I wouldn't swap my lifestyle for anything or anywhere if it meant I had to stay permanently in the UK.

what work do you do in the uk?

[Qetesuesi]

and many seem to think that they can now become "property developers" really tickles my tits

Your initials wouldn't happen to be SB by any chance?

[Guest wrongmove]

Is that really their main concern, tax cuts?

I can understand being disenchanted with the state of modern Britain, but tax cuts wouldn't even make my top 10.

I agree. I plan to leave in about 10-15 years (once daughter is grown up), but food, weather and the bling/"keep up with Jones's" culture are my main complaints about UK.

[Badger]

Most will check out OZ/NZ/US & find them as bland & devoid of any history or culture and not bother going at all.

[Guest mattsta1964]

Most will check out OZ/NZ/US & find them as bland & devoid of any history or culture and not bother going at all.

New Zealand and Australia are no longer the lands of opportunity they used to be

Australia has very punitive taxation. The higher rate of tax is even lower than in the UK. Speed limits are enforced with even more zeal than they are in the UK. Speed cameras have a +/-3km/h tolerance, much tighter than the cameras here. My brother lived in Melbourne for 20 years and left last year. He got to the point where he loathed it!

New Zealand has a socialist government with high taxes. Wages are very low and many of the people are leaving and settling in Oz of other countries in the far east. There are a lot of social problems in NZ and depression rates are among the highest in the developed world. Not what you'd expect from such a beautiful country.

The USA????

Well, congratulations if they will take you! I worked in the US for 3 months and was chewing my kneecaps off to get out. The most bland, souless vacuous place in the world. No amount of money would tempt me to live there. I don't think I had an intelligent conversation for the whole duration

[Assurbanipal]

"10 Million Want To Quit Over Taxed Uk"

WHY DON'T THEY move into all those empty homes in Poland and Bulgaria ?

Oh, partly they are. In Warsaw or Krakow is now huge inflation of house/flat prices. Circa 15-20% quarterly, partly fuelled by British investors.

[Xurbia]

New Zealand and Australia are no longer the lands of opportunity they used to be

Australia has very punitive taxation. The higher rate of tax is even lower than in the UK. Speed limits are enforced with even more zeal than they are in the UK. Speed cameras have a +/-3km/h tolerance, much tighter than the cameras here. My brother lived in Melbourne for 20 years and left last year. He got to the point where he loathed it!

New Zealand has a socialist government with high taxes. Wages are very low and many of the people are leaving and settling in Oz of other countries in the far east. There are a lot of social problems in NZ and depression rates are among the highest in the developed world. Not what you'd expect from such a beautiful country.

The USA????

Well, congratulations if they will take you! I worked in the US for 3 months and was chewing my kneecaps off to get out. The most bland, souless vacuous place in the world. No amount of money would tempt me to live there. I don't think I had an intelligent conversation for the whole duration

Sounds like you got nailed for a minor speeding infringement like I did!

I agree that parts of the US are bland but there are pockets of resistance!

New Zealand is a good destination if you like the outdoors and have made money over here. It rains a lot too so you must pick your spot.

I think Australia has a good pension arrangement from what I remember.

[RichM]

The UK could be reclaimed. Maggie did it only 20 years ago. The thing is, you need the right atmosphere.

Maybe that atmosphere is approaching. People are starting to realise that they're not as wealthy as they thought they were. House prices aren't rocketing as quickly as they were. Just living is more expensive. We've been taxed a lot, for little obvious gain.

Nothing could be done to prevent a HPC now though. But the general direction of the country could be altered in a big crash.

[Guest mattsta1964]

Sounds like you got nailed for a minor speeding infringement like I did!

I agree that parts of the US are bland but there are pockets of resistance!

New Zealand is a good destination if you like the outdoors and have made money over here. It rains a lot too so you must pick your spot.

I think Australia has a good pension arrangement from what I remember.

A bit like a holiday in Wales! You have to include the cost of speeding ticket in your budget cos it's nigh on imposible not to get one.

I used to walk a lot in Snowdonia and even did the Welsh 3000's. After I got a ticket on an empty road on sunday in perfect weather, I vowed never to spend my money there again. I must have deprived the Welsh economy of a good few hundred quid since then. I wish I could do the same with the rest of the UK........ie, emigrate

The UK could be reclaimed. Maggie did it only 20 years ago. The thing is, you need the right atmosphere.

Maybe that atmosphere is approaching. People are starting to realise that they're not as wealthy as they thought they were. House prices aren't rocketing as quickly as they were. Just living is more expensive. We've been taxed a lot, for little obvious gain.

Nothing could be done to prevent a HPC now though. But the general direction of the country could be altered in a big crash.

The coming crash, if it is as bad as some people think, could totally change the UK, politically and socially. The last crash was bad enough but we didn't learn the lesson. If people are to truly prosper, a nation must properly earn a living for itself. You can't borrow your way to utopia forever!

[Guest mattsta1964]

I am sticking with the UK too. I've tried living abroad and you see that every problem the UK has is global. But the wonderful ancient Albion bits aren't.

I disagree. I haven't seen the same level of depriviation, poor education, crime and such an extensive peasant underclass anywhere else in the world. And further. when you consider we are the 4th biggest economy in the world, it's pretty disgraceful that things are so crap here. I detest the UK. I can't wait to get out

[dubsie]

It's not just tax it's everything that is happening to the UK. Soaring immigration, house prices and the fact that we are all being ripped off.

Take a drive down the M6 toll for less than 8 miles and pay £3.50 for the joy. Wouldn't mind if it was like France where you don't pay road tax and fuel was half the cost. The partnership of public services and private money basically means we pay for it to be built and then a bunch of very wealthy people profit from it. The same thing is happening in hospitals, schools and roads.

Britain is now awash with imigrants from Eastern Europe, they work in restaurants, building sites, hotels, cleaning companies, car valeting at road sides...all cash...none of them paying tax.

My prediction is that this will be the last Labour government ever to take power as a result of this mess. What a wasted chance to actually do something.

Personally I'm sick of living in the UK but I'm going to take advantage of the same system and bugger off to France.

[PropertyGuru]

Personally I'm sick of living in the UK but I'm going to take advantage of the same system and bugger off to France.

france is cool. Food, weather, people, the only thing the UK scores on is TV.

And that isn't a problem anymore - you can get UK Sky including channels 1 - 5 anywhere in France.

Oh, forgot to mention. They don't start wars anymore, or become sitting ducks for crazy religious suiciders.

[Garry AKA Pod]

france is cool. Food, weather, people, the only thing the UK scores on is TV.

And that isn't a problem anymore - you can get UK Sky including channels 1 - 5 anywhere in France.

Oh, forgot to mention. They don't start wars anymore, or become sitting ducks for crazy religious suiciders.

If the main reason anyone fails to move abroad is due to the quality of the television programmes then shame on them.

[a j]

I disagree. I haven't seen the same level of depriviation, poor education, crime and such an extensive peasant underclass anywhere else in the world. And further. when you consider we are the 4th biggest economy in the world, it's pretty disgraceful that things are so crap here. I detest the UK. I can't wait to get out

Where exactly have you been??? If you are interested I'll provide you with a list of places with more deprivation, even worse education, higher crime rates and genuine peasant underclasses.

[dubsie]

I am sticking with the UK too. I've tried living abroad and you see that every problem the UK has is global. But the wonderful ancient Albion bits aren't.

You really think the conservative will make any difference. You have a conservative government now it just called New Labour. Tony Blair started his political life as a Tory MP.

None of the parties have any answers to the problems we face, just look at our environmental policy. At the moment the answer is to TAX every motorist to hell with the excuse they are helping the environment. We all need our cars so we all have to pay and put up with it.

Instead of taxing us why don't they make green motoring very cheap by removing VAT on green cars such as the Toyota Prius and by making every penny tax deductable. Therefore a car costing £20,000 could be offset against your annual tax bill. Basically you can earn £20,000 before paying any tax.

MG rover could of been saved by instructing them to build green cars to take advantage of the tax incentives and millions of pounds would of been saved retraining MG staff.

No matter what government gets in the situation is going to get worse and worse. The sensible ones are leaving for Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Europe.

france is cool. Food, weather, people, the only thing the UK scores on is TV.

And that isn't a problem anymore - you can get UK Sky including channels 1 - 5 anywhere in France.

Oh, forgot to mention. They don't start wars anymore, or become sitting ducks for crazy religious suiciders.

France is a good place to live, but you need to be able to speak fluent French in order to start a new life there. Wages are pretty similar to the UK but living in a city often means living in a tower block.

Rural france is the place to be and you'll need about £50,000 to buy a home in a small town. As soon as I've got about £50,000 in equity thats where I'm going

[MarkG]

Instead of taxing us why don't they make green motoring very cheap by removing VAT on green cars such as the Toyota Prius and by making every penny tax deductable.

And, um, what's so 'green' about the Prius? The actual owner comments (as opposed to manufacturer claims) I've seen online give it a fuel consumption of about 45mpg, which is the same as my old Rover or a diesel Mondeo... why is the Prius 'green' and the Rover and Mondeo not?

That's before we even begin on the environmental costs of building a new Prius vs keeping an older and less efficient car on the road for a few more years.

[Marina]

Okay, so everywhere is screwed. The world is full of shitty people etc.

I need a 1000 people with 10k each. With the 10 million we'll buy a bit of land and declare independence.

That's as good as idea as any on here.

Edit. Better idea. We'll buy and island, put cameras all over it and sell the rights to television companies to show the reality of life as the whole thing disintegrates.

Then again, we already live on an island .... there are cameras everywhere ... okay, put your chequebooks away, we are already living the dream.

Edited August 28, 2006 by Marina