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Unemployment and offshoring reportedly prompts DTI rethink on globalisation

25 August 2006 12:16

The Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) is reportedly reconsidering the government's position on globalisation as unemployment continues to rise and more industries become vulnerable to offshoring.

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

Sources at the DTI told the Daily Telegraph that civil servants were focusing on the growing number of service sector jobs being lost in Britain due to competition from low-wage economies in India and China.

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

Present government policy, formed only two years ago, dictates that offshoring leads to a better deal for consumers, competitive advantage for British companies who can then invest in employment at home, and greater profits for shareholders. This in turn should encourage more people to invest in British companies.

The World Bank and International Labour Organisation has estimated that up to 16% of jobs in the service sector could move to low-wage economies.

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

A DTI study of the IT industry in June found that in theory, at least 70% of its 249,000 jobs could go abroad. The fear is that this trend could spread to other skilled professions.

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

"If you have got thousands of Indian graduates in UK law and they are offering their services via high-speed links, it may have implications for the UK economy," a source told the Daily Telegraph.

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

At a recent meeting at the CBI to discuss UK skills levels, Alan Wood, CEO of electronics giant Siemens, told Personnel Today that when it came to being competitive, British companies "can't afford to allow loyalties to a particular country to drive us".

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

The DTI has denied that there is any such review of its policy towards globalisation.

IT WOULD BE TOO EMBARASSING WOULDN'T IT?

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Unemployment and offshoring reportedly prompts DTI rethink on globalisation

25 August 2006 12:16

The Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) is reportedly reconsidering the government's position on globalisation as unemployment continues to rise and more industries become vulnerable to offshoring.

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

Sources at the DTI told the Daily Telegraph that civil servants were focusing on the growing number of service sector jobs being lost in Britain due to competition from low-wage economies in India and China.

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

Present government policy, formed only two years ago, dictates that offshoring leads to a better deal for consumers, competitive advantage for British companies who can then invest in employment at home, and greater profits for shareholders. This in turn should encourage more people to invest in British companies.

The World Bank and International Labour Organisation has estimated that up to 16% of jobs in the service sector could move to low-wage economies.

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

A DTI study of the IT industry in June found that in theory, at least 70% of its 249,000 jobs could go abroad. The fear is that this trend could spread to other skilled professions.

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

"If you have got thousands of Indian graduates in UK law and they are offering their services via high-speed links, it may have implications for the UK economy," a source told the Daily Telegraph.

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

At a recent meeting at the CBI to discuss UK skills levels, Alan Wood, CEO of electronics giant Siemens, told Personnel Today that when it came to being competitive, British companies "can't afford to allow loyalties to a particular country to drive us".

WE WARNED YOU, BUT NOBODY LISTENED

The DTI has denied that there is any such review of its policy towards globalisation.

IT WOULD BE TOO EMBARASSING WOULDN'T IT?

Is it possible to prevent outsourcing. Wouldnt the international trade laws have something to say about it.

What could the government do to prevent us from making a telephone call to india for directions or an adress

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Is it possible to prevent outsourcing. Wouldnt the international trade laws have something to say about it.

What could the government do to prevent us from making a telephone call to india for directions or an adress

It has been policy to actively ENCOURAGE it, no less.

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The DTI is very much against offshoring, for example they want to put offshore oil workers on effectivly a 2 1/3 day week as they will class sleeping as work. With sensible decisions like that under their belt businesses from around the world will be flocking to Britain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/5284680.stm

I wonder why output has been falling rapidly from the North Sea lately.

Beuracrat classes sleeping as work -> Reduction of hours worked on gas platforms -> Reduced gas production -> Higher gas prices -> Lower gas consuption -> Lower indoor temeratures in the poors' houses -> Hypothermia in the weak -> Dead old people

Thus a perfect illistration of the banality of evil. Because they can't see what they're doing directly they don't feel they are doing anything wrong, if you asked the beuracrats if they did anything wrong they would say no and blame any consequences on one of the people in the chain, unseasonal cold weather, old age or something else unrelated to them.

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It has been policy to actively ENCOURAGE it, no less.

Worse still they give companies tax breaks for moving skilled jobs abroad. The Electronics industry in the UK is all but dead thanks to off-shoring, me and 45,000 other IC designers, architects, and systems designers can offer testimony to the great benefits of off-shoring.

Supper highly skilled, qualified to the eyeballs, yet no work for us in our country, try to get a job at the local Asda or Tesco and get turned down point blank for being "too highly skilled" or "too highly qualified", great for the economy this off-shoring joke!

Rgds

Rut.

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Worse still they give companies tax breaks for moving skilled jobs abroad. The Electronics industry in the UK is all but dead thanks to off-shoring, me and 45,000 other IC designers, architects, and systems designers can offer testimony to the great benefits of off-shoring.

Supper highly skilled, qualified to the eyeballs, yet no work for us in our country, try to get a job at the local Asda or Tesco and get turned down point blank for being "too highly skilled" or "too highly qualified", great for the economy this off-shoring joke!

Rgds

Rut.

I know, I've seen it first hand.

This is the sort of crud they used to push it through.

http://www.pingwales.co.uk/2005/02/04/Gov-...offshoring.html

Government giving thumbs-up to offshoring

By ComputerWire | 4 Feb 2005

The UK government seems to be doing its level best to sell the virtues of offshore outsourcing, and prepared even to risk the wrath of workers’ unions and other anti-offshoring groups.

At a conference last month, held at the prestigious RAC Club on London’s Pall Mall, Malcolm McKinnon, head of trade in services for the UK’s Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) trumpeted the cause for offshoring everything from software development, application maintenance, certain business process operations right through to higher end research services. The message? It will be good for the UK economy.

This all looks decidedly at odds with the views of some 37 US states, which are attempting to ban offshore public sector contracts. But McKinnon was keen to use the now infamous McKinsey report as justification for offshoring.

This claimed that for every $1 offshored from the US, the US gains $1.12-$1.14. He also noted another study that has claimed the UK stands to gain considerably more than that. For every £1 offshored from the UK it claims that the UK stands to gain £1.41, more than double the gains expected in the US.

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I know, I've seen it first hand.

This is the sort of crud they used to push it through.

http://www.pingwales.co.uk/2005/02/04/Gov-...offshoring.html

Government giving thumbs-up to offshoring

By ComputerWire | 4 Feb 2005

The UK government seems to be doing its level best to sell the virtues of offshore outsourcing, and prepared even to risk the wrath of workers’ unions and other anti-offshoring groups.

At a conference last month, held at the prestigious RAC Club on London’s Pall Mall, Malcolm McKinnon, head of trade in services for the UK’s Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) trumpeted the cause for offshoring everything from software development, application maintenance, certain business process operations right through to higher end research services. The message? It will be good for the UK economy.

This all looks decidedly at odds with the views of some 37 US states, which are attempting to ban offshore public sector contracts. But McKinnon was keen to use the now infamous McKinsey report as justification for offshoring.

This claimed that for every $1 offshored from the US, the US gains $1.12-$1.14. He also noted another study that has claimed the UK stands to gain considerably more than that. For every £1 offshored from the UK it claims that the UK stands to gain £1.41, more than double the gains expected in the US.

Well the accountants and co who now run the country need to watch their collective backs as financial services and health care are being off-shored to India to keep costs down.

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Well the accountants and co who now run the country need to watch their collective backs as financial services and health care are being off-shored to India to keep costs down.

Once the skills base and volumes of workers exist abroad it will not only be a matter of offshoring, it will be native competition - note the sudden backtrack by banks to offer local banks, when everything is done on the net/telephone some upstart banking co. could cut the competitive throat of every bank in the UK by offering interst on current accounts, better savings rates, cheaper fixed charges, the lot as it won;t have a tier of very expensive middle/high managers to carry. Probably take about a year to put the infrastructure together to start such a bank from scratch (with approriate financial backing), it is not exactly rocket science transferring money around.

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Yeah and who buys these companies end products..we do. But not for much longer.

(no, emerging economies wont replace us as customers. Those local wage levels will have to be much higher in order to achieve that, which makes the whole offshoring issue a moot point)

Once the skills base and volumes of workers exist abroad it will not only be a matter of offshoring, it will be native competition - note the sudden backtrack by banks to offer local banks, when everything is done on the net/telephone some upstart banking co. could cut the competitive throat of every bank in the UK by offering interst on current accounts, better savings rates, cheaper fixed charges, the lot as it won;t have a tier of very expensive middle/high managers to carry. Probably take about a year to put the infrastructure together to start such a bank from scratch (with approriate financial backing), it is not exactly rocket science transferring money around.

Already thought of. Banking licenses very much controlled/old boys network. i.e. the banks themselves.

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"If you have got thousands of Indian graduates in UK law and they are offering their services via high-speed links, it may have implications for the UK economy," a source told the Daily Telegraph.

Law offshoring? This must be getting a little close to home for politicians! They're happy to sit back and let science and engineering go offshore but heaven forfend that lawyers be threatened! I mean, where would we be without lawyers!

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Law offshoring? This must be getting a little close to home for politicians! They're happy to sit back and let science and engineering go offshore but heaven forfend that lawyers be threatened! I mean, where would we be without lawyers!

Perhaps we should suggest off-shoring politicians; as a sure fire means of bolstering party coffers?????

What would old Tony make of that eh!

After all it’s good for the economy so they told us

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People need to realise that the west has had it easy for the last century, times are changing and if your not with the programme then its tough luck matey.

Of course jobs will go off-shore, the whole world is being integrated by the Information Highway, its changing for the better, why pay for travel when you can send work digitally on-line ? You can live in a cheaper country and earn another countries currency.

Take for example a Voice over artist, you dont need to come into the studio anymore, you can send the recording from home or record live via isdn.

The limitations are endless, online - doctors, lawyers, IT consultants, musicians......whatever you like.

Its not rocket science.

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People need to realise that the west has had it easy for the last century, times are changing and if your not with the programme then its tough luck matey.

Of course jobs will go off-shore, the whole world is being integrated by the Information Highway, its changing for the better, why pay for travel when you can send work digitally on-line ? You can live in a cheaper country and earn another countries currency.

Take for example a Voice over artist, you dont need to come into the studio anymore, you can send the recording from home or record live via isdn.

The limitations are endless, online - doctors, lawyers, IT consultants, musicians......whatever you like.

Its not rocket science.

I believe the phrase these days is it’s not quantum physics which is bloody difficult compared to rocket science.

Besides when all of our skilled positions are off-shored how do you expect to pay for your needs such as legal service, financial services, and medical services on the wage of a toilet cleaner?

With the way things are going that's all we'll be considered for in this country, apart from the fact that many of use will be too highly skilled and/or qualified to warrant such a position!

Sickening end to a once great nation

Rut.....

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Hmmm yes, I had always wondered about the end point of offshoring. If the bulk of our manufactured goods are made in other countries and the bulk of our food comes from other countries that's OK, because we are a post-industrial service economy. But when we move most of our services offshore, it starts to get a bit nuts... who is going to be left to buy all the lovely goods from elsewhere? We can't all work in retail, there has to be something to export apart from a few very specialised financial services, doesn't there?

It could be worse, in the US they award multi-billion dollar government IT contracts to Accenture, who offshore most of it to India and are based themselves in the Bahamas... Amazing! you couldn't make this stuff up!!

The UK Inland Revenue selling their buildings to an offshore trust and renting them back because it's more tax efficient - it's pretty hard to keep a straight face! :lol:

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Hmmm yes, I had always wondered about the end point of offshoring. If the bulk of our manufactured goods are made in other countries and the bulk of our food comes from other countries that's OK, because we are a post-industrial service economy. But when we move most of our services offshore, it starts to get a bit nuts... who is going to be left to buy all the lovely goods from elsewhere? We can't all work in retail, there has to be something to export apart from a few very specialised financial services, doesn't there?

It could be worse, in the US they award multi-billion dollar government IT contracts to Accenture, who offshore most of it to India and are based themselves in the Bahamas... Amazing! you couldn't make this stuff up!!

The UK Inland Revenue selling their buildings to an offshore trust and renting them back because it's more tax efficient - it's pretty hard to keep a straight face! :lol:

No Wonder I Drink !!!

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Hmmm yes, I had always wondered about the end point of offshoring.

There were a group of people during the industrial revolution (including the Luddites) who wondered about the end point of mechanization and automation of our manufacturing industries. Seems their pessimism stems from the fact that they saw a trend and extrapolated it far beyond what could practically occur. I suspect you may be doing the same. Ever tried getting your teeth repaired by an offshore dentist?

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No Wonder I Drink !!!

Indeed, have one on me!

What's almost as bad as the offshoring is that a whole generation of middle management in UK and US companies are 'growing up' with no understanding of any management principles except cost reduction! Worked at a UK-based software house last year who had offshored a key project with disasterous results. Their solution: Send it offshore again, to the same country, just a different company!! I asked to leave after 3 days, they were sinking like a stone and you could cut the stressful atmosphere with a knife.

There were a group of people during the industrial revolution (including the Luddites) who wondered about the end point of mechanization and automation of our manufacturing industries. Seems their pessimism stems from the fact that they saw a trend and extrapolated it far beyond what could practically occur. I suspect you may be doing the same. Ever tried getting your teeth repaired by an offshore dentist?

Try here - very good prices for dental work in Budapest (with a handy comparison against London prices):

http://www.treatmentcenter.co.uk/cosmetic_..._price_list.php

Obviously not cost effective for a scale and polish, although, if those cheap airlines keep the prices down, you never know... :ph34r:

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Try here - very good prices for dental work in Budapest (with a handy comparison against London prices):

http://www.treatmentcenter.co.uk/cosmetic_..._price_list.php

Obviously not cost effective for a scale and polish, although, if those cheap airlines keep the prices down, you never know... :ph34r:

That's brilliant - I consider my argument rebuffed! :lol: I love the fact that they even throw in a bottle of Hungarian red wine... surely not great if you've just had your teeth whitened?

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That's brilliant - I consider my argument rebuffed! :lol: I love the fact that they even throw in a bottle of Hungarian red wine... surely not great if you've just had your teeth whitened?

It's only a matter of time before some crafty devil does mail-order gardening! :D

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I believe the phrase these days is it’s not quantum physics which is bloody difficult compared to rocket science.

Besides when all of our skilled positions are off-shored how do you expect to pay for your needs such as legal service, financial services, and medical services on the wage of a toilet cleaner?

With the way things are going that's all we'll be considered for in this country, apart from the fact that many of use will be too highly skilled and/or qualified to warrant such a position!

Sickening end to a once great nation

Rut.....

why would you end up a toilet cleaner ?

there is a possibilty that we could be living in a world without jobs.

those that sell their services as a sovereign individual will benefit, they that choose to rely will suffer.

quantum physics is a new dimension that man has just started to learn, past physics are incorrect the more they understand of the new dimiension, that could also be also applied to how we live today and the future path of employment, abode and government.

patriotism is a joke and a belief system that people need to shake off, we are one and should move forward as one.

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