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I'm sure there is built in racism but the point is by branding people racists for debating sensitive issues is counter-productive. Argue the issues in a sensible manner if you feel someone is wrong.

This is a disturbing thread which really has nothing to do with this website. HPI is a worldwide phenomenon, which will end as the money supply tightens and/or we get ramplant inflation. It is nothing to do with immigration IMO.

If the HPC doesn't happen, I will be looking for other reasons rather than blaming jonny foreigner.

In fact, I'd rather be wrong and priced out of the market forever than ever chose a doctor, dentist etc on the colour of their skin.

And before anyway says it, I'd rather be PC than a loser that always looks for someone 'different' to blame when things don't go right for them.

Rant over.....now, lets get on with the crash!

Apart from your first sentence I agree. The immigration thing is being blown out of proportion regarding holding off the crash - but that's only my opinion so if people want to debate it then that's fine. I just don't like debates being stiffled by cries of foul play.

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Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. This is the kind of hatred and prejudice I was referring to. It’s easy to say behind the comfort of your computer. Perhaps you could walk into public expressing the same vile thoughts. Or perhaps you’d be donning a white hood and gown. My guess is, even a few native whites would feel like slapping you upside the head.

Why is it hatred? It's got nothing to do with hatred and it's not a personal thing either, but that is my preference, much the same as many members of other ethnic groups prefer to be treated by someone from their own group. But of course, like everything else it's only unacceptable if a white Britain says so.

I talk to people quite openly if they ask, but I don't try and force my views on others. Like I said, no one asked if we wanted to live in a multicultural Britain.

My guess is, even a few native whites would feel like slapping you upside the head.

Do you always threaten violence (in pigeon English) to someone you don't know if they hold different beliefs to you? Easy to say that from behind your computer screen isn't it. I thought you said you were balanced in an earlier post.

Do you have any non-white friends at all? – surely there’s somebody non-white that you know that you deem to be a decent person and not doing crime?.

Yes, I've known many very good people from ethnic minorities. Why?

Do you enjoy a Chinese or Indian take-a-way? - Where does this food come from? Perhaps you’d prefer these to go back to their country too?

Well I have to eat. How many Chinese and Indian restaurants do we need though?

Again let me ask you to show me the title deeds that say this is YOUR country. It’s people like you that lower the standard of this country. I’m sure many posters on here are thinking the same!

Our brave forebears fought two world wars to preserve this country's identity. If they were all as spineless as you we'd be talking German now.

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Independent truth.

The headlines ... and the truth

HALT THE TIDE OF EU MIGRANTS ... HIV CHILDREN BRINGING TIMEBOMB TO BRITAIN - Sunday Express, 20/8

Claim: Britain is confronted with an HIV time bomb when Romanian teenagers descend on our over-stretched health service.

Reality: There are 15,850 Romanians with HIV/Aids, according to the UN. Two thirds were infected while living in children's state institutions during the late 1980s. The infection rate is 0.7 per cent of the population - slightly less than in the UK.

* EAST EUROPE MIGRANTS HELP TAKE JOBLESS TO SIX-YEAR HIGH - Daily Mail, 17/8

Claim: Unemployment has soared to its highest level for more than six years as thousands of workers arrive from eastern Europe.

Reality: While the unemployment rate rose last month, the number of people in work grew by 42,000 over the three months to March 2006 and by 240,000 over the year, to reach 28.94 million - the highest number of people in work since records began in 1971.

* MIGRANTS GET BRITS' PAY SLASHED BY 50 PER CENT - The Sun, 18/8

Claim: Earnings of British builders and other manual workers have slumped by 50 per cent as a flood of east European migrants drives down wages.

Reality: The annual growth rate in average earnings excluding bonuses, was 3.9 per cent in June 2006, up 0.1 per cent on the previous month. Including bonuses wages grew by 4.3 per cent, up 0.2 per cent on the previous month.

* UNCHECKED IMMIGRATION IS PUTTING BRITONS OUT OF WORK - Daily Telegraph, 18/8

Claim: The unprecedented influx of newcomers has had an impact on the availability of social housing.

Reality: The shortage of homes in Britain pre-dates the arrival of east European workers. Accession state workers do not qualify for council housing.

* CHEERS, WE'RE COMING TO RIP YOU OFF - People 20/8

Claim: Mafia chiefs in Bulgaria are plotting to flood Britain with heroin, prostitutes and guns when they join the EU in January.

Reality: The Centre for the Study of Democracy, a Sofia-based think-tank, found the crime rate in Bulgaria was lower than the European average with crime rates falling by half between 2001 and 2004. It is now safer than Denmark and Australia.

* HOW THE NEW FAGINS ARE BRINGING CHILD SLAVERY TO BRITAIN - Sunday Telegraph 4/6

Claim: The UK is likely to surge up the league of favoured destinations for trafficked women and children once Romania and Bulgaria join the EU next year.

Reality: The US State Department recently welcomed Bulgarian efforts to crack down on trafficking, offering witnesses protection and allowing suspects to be extradited to stand trial abroad. The number of trafficking convictions in Bulgarian courts increased nearly fivefold in 2005 - up to 34.

* NHS AND SCHOOLS 'AT RISK FROM SURGE IN EU IMMIGRANTS' - The Times 31/07

Claim: A leaked government report warned that schools and hospitals will struggle to cope with an influx of people from eastern Europe.

Reality: Immigrants make up 8 per cent of the workforce but contribute 10 per cent of the UK's GDP. Ernst & Young reports they are net tax contributors - rather than a burden - to the public purse, easing the pensions bill through tax and keeping interest rates at least 0.5 per cent lower - equivalent to £500 a year on the average mortgage.

* IMMIGRANTS TO FLOOD IN - Daily Star 24/07

Claim: Britain will be swamped by up to 145,000 poverty-stricken migrants from Bulgaria and Romania who are expected to flock here once they join the EU.

Reality: Think-tank the IPPR estimates 56,000 will arrive from both countries in the first year - 41,000 of them from Romania. A Bulgarian government survey revealed only 2.9 per cent of its nationals planned to migrate.

Poor old Doodlydoo - he'll go ballistic, poor demented little person.

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Nothing to worry about then? Open the flood gates to one and all!!!!

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I'm not sure whether to pity your lack of knowledge or damn you for your disgusting beliefs.

Where did you get the idea that Britain is a 'race'? Britain is a country - a geographical concept. Some would claim that the British people are a race but it's a fairly stupid belief. We're all descended from immigrants - every one of us - the place was empty just a few thousand years ago. Until about 100 years ago, there were no migration rules whatsoever, so people came in and out of the country as they felt like. So, our British 'race' is as mongrel as all the other peoples of Europe.

It only takes a little common sense to know that a constant stream of people comming accross the border and a sudden massive population increase will eventually effect the fabric of society. We cannot create a constant stream of jobs for the constant stream of immigrants, we cannot build houses as fast as the population is increasing, we cannot endlessly build roads for the constantly increasing amount of cars, we cannot intergrate foreign speaking students into our schools without the education of students as a whole being effected.

And we definately cannot do any of the above with the present incompitant Governement in power.

60,000,000 and rising fast.

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Do you know it is amazing what racists can do isnt it? Some of these posts are disgusting.

Leave the poor old immigrants alone, they just want to work.

Nobody blames immigrants for wanting to improve their lives, but we can blame the Government for being completely in-compitant and losing control of our borders.

:lol: That's pretty pidgin itself! Careful what you write, when you attempt to criticise someone's English!

Oh no!! non-Casual Observers turned up, this is where the debate turns into petty nonsense.

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Nobody blames immigrants for wanting to improve their lives, but we can blame the Government for being completely in-compitant and losing control of our borders.

Oh no!! non-Casual Observers turned up, this is where the debate turns into petty nonsense.

.. that's great, from one of the least intelligent posters on the board, who never has anything useful to contribute!

Nothing to worry about then? Open the flood gates to one and all!!!!

Great contribution, **** Robin, not petty at all. Ever thought of publishing your intelligent views? :lol:

A quick flick through your posts shows that you post nothing but tabloid-speak one-liners. Nothing worth reading at all.

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.. that's great, from one of the least intelligent posters on the board, who never has anything useful to contribute!

Nothing to worry about then? Open the flood gates to one and all!!!!

Great contribution, **** Robin, not petty at all. Ever thought of publishing your intelligent views? :lol:

Must be hard knowing you're part of a rapidly decreasing minority of liberal lefties. ;)

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Must be hard knowing you're part of a rapidly decreasing minority of liberal lefties. ;)

Listen son, I've met nasty little racists all my life. You can't imagine the number of times I've heard that the NF/BNP are gaining ground;ever since the 60's in fact.

They never do. You lot only rise a bit in popularity from time to time, and then disappear back into the slime. <_<

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Listen son, I've met nasty little racists all my life. You can't imagine the number of times I've heard that the NF/BNP are gaining ground;ever since the 60's in fact.

They never do. You lot only rise a bit in popularity from time to time, and then disappear back into the slime. <_<

Oooh.. touched a sore point there eh?

I've never belonged to any political party, and I'm certainly no racist, although that depends to a large extent by how you define the term. In my eyes I'm not and that's all that matters to me.

You, on the other hand sound like one of those "searchlight" thugs that I've read about. Paid up by the Labour party to go and rough up anyone they deem a threat. Correct?

Difference this time is that the majority of ordinary Brits agree with them. (Backed up by a lot of opinion polls, do your reasearch before questioning it).

You're past your sell by date bully boy.

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.. that's great, from one of the least intelligent posters on the board, who never has anything useful to contribute!

Nothing to worry about then? Open the flood gates to one and all!!!!

Great contribution, **** Robin, not petty at all. Ever thought of publishing your intelligent views? :lol:

A quick flick through your posts shows that you post nothing but tabloid-speak one-liners. Nothing worth reading at all.

I'm a casual observer.

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The reality of the matter is that Immigrants do not understand that the UK is actually owned by the Citizens of the Nation.

They hear from abroad so much about equal rights etc that when they get here they actually believe they are entitled to a share of the benefits of fighting world wars, protecting the shores, and working for a better future.

The reality is that they are guests, brought over to do the jobs that are beneath us as we have moved on.

If it can be brought out into the open it would offer a much better debate, and would allow the immigrants to understand where they fit in on a temporary basis in our society.

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I'd like to suggest that some of the real racists are those supporting the mass-migration that we're currently witnessing - and throw abuse at anyone who dares to disagree (often sad old Labour Party Marxists or fascistic free-market fundamentalists)

These turds then sit back and ignore the attendant people trafficking, exploitation, burgeoning black economy, etc.

I know many local immigrants who are paid 2/3 quid an hour. I complained to the local council, AM, etc. - what happened - nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When's the last time you heard a prominent Labour politician calling for a proper work inspectorate / much stronger funding of the police units that go after the people traffickers, etc. How about the employment agencies that are shipping in young immigrants and then, after they've paid their hefty registration fees, etc., provided the new arrivals with no guarantee of work?

A total joke!

I oppose mass migration, but it's got nothing to do with culture or ethnicity for me and many others.

Polish Hardship in Wales - Mar 25 2006

Criminal gangmasters are operating in Wales exploiting immigrant workers, a leading founder of Poland's Solidarity movement warned yesterday.

Jozef Pinior, now a member of the European Parliament, travelled to Swansea to expose the plight of many Polish migrants who are paying big fees to travel to Wales with the promise of well-paid work that does not materialise. Instead, they find themselves on low wages and paying over the odds for accommodation.

He told delegates, 'Too often and for too many migrants, the promise of profitable employment in Wales ends in hardship and anguish at the hands of unscrupulous gangmasters.'

Mr Pinior went on to refer specifically to the situation in Llanelli where gangmasters are procuring Polish workers, many from Mr Pinior's constituency of Wroclaw, for local food-processing factories. The workers are charged about £200 for a one-way bus ticket and coerced into signing 'zero-hour' contracts. They are employed for long hours on night shifts and weekends for a minimum wage, while their contracts with the gangmaster compel them to pay around £60 a week for transport and sub-standard and crowded accommodation. The payments must be made despite no guarantee of regular work or pay.

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Immigration good or bad it doesn't matter.

A capitalist system depends on cheap labour and if it's economic migrants from Poland, call centre staff from India or bums of welfare, the bottom line is all that matters.

Most people shop at Tesco not at their local shop.Why? Cheaper,convenient just like a Polish carpenter.

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As with all political parties there is policy change through the years. Labour move right, Tories left etc. Before people brand the BNP as racist right wing nuts please read their website and election manifesto. Go to one of their meetings most people are over 55s in attendance not a bunch of skinheads. They are a growing force in election results and will grow even more unless/until one of the main parties actually has the b**ls to adopt some of their policies and take their growing voter base. It is high time Nick Griffin or similar is allowed onto the mainstream TV shows such as question time to openly debate issues. If as the PC left suggest the BNP are right wing ignorant thugs then it will show through quickly and the party will loose support overnight. As this isn't happening and the BNP are being denied main stream media attention it makes one wonder what the mainstream media and controlling parties have to fear................................................

By the way I am not a member of the BNP but feel sympathy to them as they have consistantly in my opinion been proved correct in their commentary of the way Britain is heading.................................

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(from the Daily Telegraph)

Left-wing BNP

Sir - It is of some comfort that the Labour Party at least, even if not yet the Tories, has woken up to the threat posed by the BNP, because it has ceased to understand or listen to its own supporters when they express their concerns about multiculturalism, the levels of immigration and lack of integration that are affecting our great cities.

However, it remains of concern that even The Daily Telegraph (Comment, April 18) persists in so misunderstanding the BNP as to describe it as "an extreme Right-wing party". I have carefully re-read the BNP manifesto of 2005 and am unable to find evidence of Right-wing tendencies.

On the other hand, there is plenty of anti-capitalism, opposition to free trade, commitments to "use all non-destructive means to reduce income inequality", to institute worker ownership, to favour workers' co-operatives, to return parts of the railways to state ownership, to nationalise the Royal National Lifeboat Institution and to withdraw from Nato. That sounds pretty Left-wing to me.

Certainly the BNP poses as a patriotic party opposed to multiculturalism, and it has racist overtones, but there is no lack of patriotic Left-wing regimes; opposition to multiculturalism is now mainstream and racialism was not unknown even in the Soviet Union.

So what is "extreme Right-wing" about the BNP?

Lord Tebbit, London SW1

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Having a preference or expressing that preference is not in itself racist. It would entirely depend on the basis for that preference. e.g. If l prefer a male doctor over a female one, it doesnt make me sexist..l might just be shy.

This is a good point which many overlook. As with any phenomenon, racism, or the accusation of it, has mutated from discrimination...through prejudice( not acceptable but you can't legislate for what happens between someone's ears).... through to preference.

I remember a hoo-hah years ago about a guy wanting a Scottish housekeeper ( helloooo, doctor Finlay ;) )and he was accused of racism.

I fail to see how someone preferring a particular kind of person to come live with them - is racist - if s/he is a private home dweller.

I also don't see that having a preference for a certain sex doctor is sexist either, though the "isms" aren't equal in today's society. Racist is seen as heinous, sexism a joke and ageism...... no one seems to realise exists. ;) They sure as hell don't get all fired up about it.

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This is a good point which many overlook. As with any phenomenon, racism, or the accusation of it, has mutated from discrimination...through prejudice( not acceptable but you can't legislate for what happens between someone's ears).... through to preference.

I remember a hoo-hah years ago about a guy wanting a Scottish housekeeper ( helloooo, doctor Finlay ;) )and he was accused of racism.

I fail to see how someone preferring a particular kind of person to come live with them - is racist - if s/he is a private home dweller.

I also don't see that having a preference for a certain sex doctor is sexist either, though the "isms" aren't equal in today's society. Racist is seen as heinous, sexism a joke and ageism...... no one seems to realise exists. ;) They sure as hell don't get all fired up about it.

I don't agree with the enforced multiculturalism that has taken place, so wouldn't it make me a hypocrite if I then didn't prefer to be treated by a white British Doctor? Quite apart from the many other issues.

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As a tax payer who suffered unemployment in the last recession (The price we had to pay) I resent the fact that people can arrive here without making any contributions, or sacrifices whatsoever and profit from our hard work and investment in this nation.

By the same token, as a taxpayer again, however a different subject, I object to seeing my hard earnt taxes being payed out to people who are playing the system, tax credits, Family Credits, and Disablility allowance.

The facts are very plain and simple, if you have not paid your fees to join the club, then you cannot come in.

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