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:huh: That's unreal. You just couldn't make it up. If the Muslim faith is so important to them then I question why they are here in the UK, a society ridden with alcohol, pornography and tobacco?

You cant have it both ways. Especially not if your asking others to pay for it.

Quite frankly, the clown who thought the idea up to pour public money into building those needs tossed out of a job. Lesson 101 on how to create division in an already divided Muslim/Christian community if ever there was.

No wonder some white sections of society are getting MIGHTILY pissed off.

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:huh: That's unreal. You just couldn't make it up. If the Muslim faith is so important to them then I question why they are here in the UK, a society ridden with alcohol, pornography and tobacco?

You cant have it both ways. Especially not if your asking others to pay for it.

Quite frankly, the clown who thought the idea up to pour public money into building those needs tossed out of a job. Lesson 101 on how to create division in an already divided Muslim/Christian community if ever there was.

No wonder some white sections of society are getting MIGHTILY pissed off.

Why are you having a pop at someone who is trying to create affordable homes in the country? Why not save your ammo for those who deserve it, like the banks and VIs. It is the latter who are creating the social divisions through basic greed, not Muslims/Christians or anyone else the racists want you to believe?

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Ian, I am fortunate enough to have friends who are both Sikh and Muslim. Although the first group eats beef and the others like to partake of alcohol when we go out. The point is, even THEY dont agree with damn fool ideas like this scheme.

They are, in both groups, also very, very anti immigration. So you can bin the 'racist' tag for a start, in any form you try to throw it around.

As for the "your against affordable housing" line. Utter rubbish.

What I AM against housing which is blatendly tailored to only ONE section of the community, even if it does make up 60% of it. That is wrong. Very wrong. Thats divisive and trouble causing. You dont have to be Einstein to see that.

If your disabled, then fine, have public money build a house around your needs. I'm all for that. But not because your a Muslim. Thats just wrong.

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Ian, I am fortunate enough to have friends who are both Sikh and Muslim. Although the first group eats beef and the others like to partake of alcohol when we go out. The point is, even THEY dont agree with damn fool ideas like this scheme.

They are, in both groups, also very, very anti immigration. So you can bin the 'racist' tag for a start, in any form you try to throw it around.

As for the "your against affordable housing" line. Utter rubbish.

What I AM against housing which is blatendly tailored to only ONE section of the community, even if it does make up 60% of it. That is wrong. Very wrong. Thats divisive and trouble causing. You dont have to be Einstein to see that.

If your disabled, then fine, have public money build a house around your needs. I'm all for that. But not because your a Muslim. Thats just wrong.

Did you read the last line in the story? AFAI can see, the only Muslim thing about the house was that the bathrooms didn't face east and they had special kitchens. I cannot see why any other ethnic group would turn them down because of that so where is the favoritism? It is just a response to local need.

As the story points out, to some people (i.e. Muslims) this is quite important and this shows a housing scheme which is actually sensitive to the people who will live in it. Compare this with "Location, Location, Location", where the ethic is making the maximum amount of money out of whichever mug they can snare to buy the property off them.

As I say, please hold your fire for those who deserve it - there are plenty of them around. I am not a long time member of the site but already I have noticed that there are people on this board who are serving an altogether different agenda. It is useful for us all that you do not play into their hands.

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Ian, I don’t know what your angle is here, but I’m starting to think you must struggle a little with the written word. Let me highlight

You said: “the only Muslim thing about the house was that the bathrooms didn't face east and they had special kitchens. I cannot see why any other ethnic group would turn them down”

The BBC said: “Eco-friendly homes specially designed for the local Asian community”

Pretty clear then that they were designed for Muslims. Hence why they have Mecca compliant bathrooms etc. Or do you struggle to comprehend that?

As for your statement “I cannot see why any other ethnic group would turn them down because of that so where is the favouritism” Well, no, I doubt any white person would turn them down, until you look at the fact they are in an almost completely Asian area. As the new lady tenant herself said “We’re all Muslims here”

Hmmm…….enough said for anyone who isn’t a total left wing liberal apologist who is ashamed of being white perhaps.

Racist. Yes. But not the way your trying to imply at all. Still, your entitled to your views, as I am entitled to mine. Scarily though, come election time, it seems a lot of the hacked off white people are finding they are entitled to their’s as well. And that’s when the trouble starts.

Caused by damn fool schemes and initiatives like this.

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As the story points out, to some people (i.e. Muslims) this is quite important and this shows a housing scheme which is actually sensitive to the people who will live in it. Compare this with "Location, Location, Location", where the ethic is making the maximum amount of money out of whichever mug they can snare to buy the property off them.

Thats crap and an inacurate interpretation of the facts. Remember this is 5 bedroom social housing (5 bed!)being built and prioritized to the Muslim community.

I researched this a bit more and there are over 450 white families wating for houses in that specific area and most are being told they have to wait at least 2 years for a 2 to 3 bed house. What this shows is the local council pandering to the Muslim community and basically buying votes with taxpayers money. People like you would be screaming to high heaven if a house was built to suit white christian families and Muslims had to wait......................

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The BBC said: “Eco-friendly homes specially designed for the local Asian community”

Pretty clear then that they were designed for Muslims. Hence why they have Mecca compliant bathrooms etc. Or do you struggle to comprehend that?

No, I comprehend that, but the key fact is that they were not *exclusivly* designed for Muslims. There is nothing in the design of the house that prevents any ethinc group living in them, now or in the future.

Well, no, I doubt any white person would turn them down, until you look at the fact they are in an almost completely Asian area.

Well 60% Asian. Why are you trying to distort the facts? What do you have to gain?

Hmmm…….enough said for anyone who isn’t a total left wing liberal apologist who is ashamed of being white perhaps.

Ah, I see. You now choose to introduce politics into the equation and this is where I end the corrospondence. Far right political groups USE the immigration/race issue to further their own POLITICAL aims, most of which right-minded people find absolutely abborant. You are showing all the signs of those people I warn "have another agenda". Goodbye.

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Thats crap and an inacurate interpretation of the facts. Remember this is 5 bedroom social housing (5 bed!)being built and prioritized to the Muslim community.

I researched this a bit more and there are over 450 white families wating for houses in that specific area and most are being told they have to wait at least 2 years for a 2 to 3 bed house. What this shows is the local council pandering to the Muslim community and basically buying votes with taxpayers money. People like you would be screaming to high heaven if a house was built to suit white christian families and Muslims had to wait......................

I cannot and will not attempt to counter your 'argument' because you offer no sources. It would have been helpful if you did have these sources, to put them in the opening post on the thread and actually lay out your point. If you want to make arguments about discrimination, and can back them up, I am happy to support your point of view but quite frankly do not consider this to be one of the central issues surruounding why most people visit/post to this site.

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Deeply intereting debate style you show here Ian. Having been proved wrong, you then pick up on the 60% point. I have a white friend who lived in an area that was officially 55% Asian. He was scared to walk the streets despite being six three and a fellow Kickboxer. I took the mickey, untill I visited him. For something that was officially 55%, you struggled to see a white face. You did see lots of sneering, knife carrying (and proud of it) third generation Asian kids spoiling for a fight however. As hard as he is, there's not much you can do against 5 teens with blades who seemed to roam the streets 24 hours a day.

He moved out sharpish after that lease was up. I dont blame him.

You then go on to do the classic apologist tack - "oh, your racist, therefore I am so superior and end this argument"

No mate, not racist, just honest and telling the story from the facts.

You'll find a few years back, even 5 years ago, white folks would be cowed if you threw the 'racist' tag at them, even when completely unjustified.

No more.

The ordinary, hard working, tax paying, law abiding white man who looks for no special status due to his religion is getting mightily sick of getting the shaft. Hence the rise in popularity of the right wing. When you disenfrancise a segment of society, you do so at your peril....

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...sneering, knife carrying (and proud of it) third generation Asian kids spoiling for a fight...teens with blades who seemed to roam the streets 24 hours a day.

...ordinary, hard working, tax paying, law abiding white man who looks for no special status due to his religion

Why is the racial background of these groups relevant? Are you arguing that these behaviours are inherent characteristics of the two races? Is there a causal link between their skin colour and their behaviour?

More simply: are there no white teen thugs or hard-working law-abiding asians?

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The racial background is of note Spartacus as I am describing the area to my best extent.

It became an area of note a few years later when the murderers of the white lad, Kris Donald, were found to have came from there.

You may remeber that was the 15 year old white boy who was abducted by Asian youths, tortured for hours in the back of a car and a lock up, had his eyes gouged out and his testicles cut off amongst other things, and was then set on fire while still alive and who lived for a few minutes as he crawled blind amonst the wasteland where he was dumped.

It was over the minor matter, alledgedly, of having "got off" with an Asian girl at a school disco.

Oh, and according to the Police, it was not a Racist crime. Of course not...

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The racial background is of note Spartacus as I am describing the area to my best extent.

It became an area of note a few years later when the murderers of the white lad, Kris Donald, were found to have came from there.

You may remeber that was the 15 year old white boy who was abducted by Asian youths, tortured for hours in the back of a car and a lock up, had his eyes gouged out and his testicles cut off amongst other things, and was then set on fire while still alive and who lived for a few minutes as he crawled blind amonst the wasteland where he was dumped.

It was over the minor matter, alledgedly, of having "got off" with an Asian girl at a school disco.

Oh, and according to the Police, it was not a Racist crime. Of course not...

You avoided answering my question...

White people also commit racist crimes. Two wrongs don't make a right.

You may remember that the murderer of Holly Wells and Jessica Dowling was a caretaker. Should I no longer want to live in an area with caretakers? Sounds ludicrous? Well, so do your racist views...

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Of course white people commit crimes Spartacus. Your not making any real point. There are hard workers of all races. And idiots of all races. On that we agree.

I am merely pointing out the facts of this instance.

What is not racist about houses are being built for just one section of the community, and blatently so, with public money?

Is it not racist is when a white kid is murdered horrifically, and the perpretrators flee to Pakistan, but the Police dont have the balls to call it a racist crime, when it so clearly is?

The parents of Stephen Lawrence recieved a state award for their courage. I wonder what Kris's mother will recieve. Any bets?

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What is not racist about houses are being built for just one section of the community, and blatently so, with public money?

Is it ageist when councils build old people's homes with special aids for getting in and out of the bath safely? Tailoring facilities to suit the needs of the local community seems like a good thing to me.

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Age comes to us all Spartacus, and with it infirmity and other problems.

Islam does not come to us all.

Are you comparing Islam with the diseases of old age? Oh dear...under Sharia law, you could get stoned for that mate :lol::lol:

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Age comes to us all Spartacus, and with it infirmity and other problems.

Islam does not come to us all.

Are you comparing Islam with the diseases of old age? Oh dear...under Sharia law, you could get stoned for that mate :lol::lol:

My local Tesco is not allowed to open 24 hours on a Sunday. I'm not a Christian. I don't moan about it, just realise that the hardship to me is not that great so tolerate it. Live and let live...

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I cannot and will not attempt to counter your 'argument' because you offer no sources. It would have been helpful if you did have these sources, to put them in the opening post on the thread and actually lay out your point. If you want to make arguments about discrimination, and can back them up, I am happy to support your point of view but quite frankly do not consider this to be one of the central issues surruounding why most people visit/post to this site.

Agreed thats why I posted it in the off topic part!

You won't counter argue because there is no counter arguement to what is obviously bias against local white people. If you doubt the truth to the story complain to the BBC.

Is it ageist when councils build old people's homes with special aids for getting in and out of the bath safely? Tailoring facilities to suit the needs of the local community seems like a good thing to me.

Being elderly is not a race or religion and applies equally to everybody.

One could make a good claim to say that building these types of houses doesn't so much help the local comunity but divide it. It may encourage more Muslims to move there as they will think it is a place where they will get treated better than anyone else and take advantage putting more strain on the state. Remember it costs a lot more to build these houses.

It does amaze me how anyone in their right mind can defend this councils behaviour. If this is the best the left can do then Labour are in big trouble!

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One could make a good claim to say that building these types of houses doesn't so much help the local comunity but divide it. It may encourage more Muslims to move there as they will think it is a place where they will get treated better than anyone else and take advantage putting more strain on the state. Remember it costs a lot more to build these houses.

One could make a good claim to say that building old people's houses doesn't so much help the local community but divide it. It may encourage more old people to move there as they will think it is a place where they will get treated better than anyone else and take advantage putting more strain on the state. Remember it costs a lot more to build these houses. :ph34r:

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Agreed thats why I posted it in the off topic part!

Accepted

... what is obviously bias against local white people.

White eh? don't you mean 'Non Muslims'? I am afraid your true colours are coming out as well! Not that what you were trying to do is not obvious (and possibly illegal).

If you doubt the truth to the story complain to the BBC.

I don't doubt the BBC (this time). It's your story I doubt!

As with Billy before, I think I am outta here. Spartacus - there are better places to hang out than here, lets let this thread die.

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Spartacus, to reply to the point you and I talked about.

I agree, live and let live. However, a rather large difference exists between your Tesco not being open 24hrs on a Sunday due to the Christians, and 40% of Muslims in the UK wanting Sharia Law imposed.

Not being able to by a pint of milk is a little different from the arm hacking and woman stoning delights of Sharia. Not much 'live and let live' going on there frankly.

However, back to the topic. Plain and simple, is the building of these Muslim aimed homes with public money, especially in the light of the housing queue a good idea?

I say no.

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Accepted

White eh? don't you mean 'Non Muslims'? I am afraid your true colours are coming out as well! Not that what you were trying to do is not obvious (and possibly illegal).

I don't doubt the BBC (this time). It's your story I doubt!

Its illegal to print a link to a BBC story. Or illegal to state the fact that Muslims or other minorities have priority for larger housing in this area based on some crazy points system? Or do you mean censorship for things you don't personally want to hear or believe.

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