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America is already on a financial knife edge as it tried to hold on to it’s monopoly of forceing the world to use PetroDollars to buy Oil but is this working and if they do manage to provoke Iran in to protecting the Lebanese people so that the USA can attack them then what price will we be paying at the pumps in the UK, will we even have pumps open to the public

A select few in the white house are quite happy for the price of Oil to go up since they have vast holdings in petrol companies and it’s this type of thinking that has enabled them to become billionaires at other people expense and with that much money it’s quite easy to influence the media but none off this is fooling Russia, China, India or other goverments around the world.

US officials are calling for criminal proceedings to be started after being lied to by FEMA, NORAD, CIA

Full Story

9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon

Allegations Brought to Inspectors General

The Washington Post, August 2, 2006

Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.

Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission, hoping to hide the bungled response to the hijackings, these sources said.

In the end, the panel agreed to a compromise, turning over the allegations to the inspectors general for the Defense and Transportation departments, who can make criminal referrals if they believe they are warranted, officials said.

"We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."

Although the commission's landmark report made it clear that the Defense Department's early versions of events on the day of the attacks were inaccurate, the revelation that it considered criminal referrals reveals how skeptically those reports were viewed by the panel and provides a glimpse of the tension between it and the Bush administration.

A Pentagon spokesman said yesterday that the inspector general's office will soon release a report addressing whether testimony delivered to the commission was "knowingly false." A separate report, delivered secretly to Congress in May 2005, blamed inaccuracies in part on problems with the way the Defense Department kept its records, according to a summary released yesterday.

A spokesman for the Transportation Department's inspector general's office said its investigation is complete and that a final report is being drafted. Laura Brown, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, said she could not comment on the inspector general's inquiry.

In an article scheduled to be on newsstands today, Vanity Fair magazine reports aspects of the commission debate -- though it does not mention the possible criminal referrals -- and publishes lengthy excerpts from military audiotapes recorded on Sept. 11. ABC News aired excerpts last night.

For more than two years after the attacks, officials with NORAD and the FAA provided inaccurate information about the response to the hijackings in testimony and media appearances. Authorities suggested that U.S. air defenses had reacted quickly, that jets had been scrambled in response to the last two hijackings and that fighters were prepared to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 if it threatened Washington.

In fact, the commission reported a year later, audiotapes from NORAD's Northeast headquarters and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had any of the hijacked airliners in its sights and at one point chased a phantom aircraft -- American Airlines Flight 11 -- long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center.

Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold and Col. Alan Scott told the commission that NORAD had begun tracking United 93 at 9:16 a.m., but the commission determined that the airliner was not hijacked until 12 minutes later. The military was not aware of the flight until after it had crashed in Pennsylvania.

These and other discrepancies did not become clear until the commission, forced to use subpoenas, obtained audiotapes from the FAA and NORAD, officials said. The agencies' reluctance to release the tapes -- along with e-mails, erroneous public statements and other evidence -- led some of the panel's staff members and commissioners to believe that authorities sought to mislead the commission and the public about what happened on Sept. 11.

"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. . . . This is not spin. This is not true."

Arnold, who could not be reached for comment yesterday, told the commission in 2004 that he did not have all the information unearthed by the panel when he testified earlier. Other military officials also denied any intent to mislead the panel.

John F. Lehman, a Republican commission member and former Navy secretary, said in a recent interview that he believed the panel may have been lied to but that he did not believe the evidence was sufficient to support a criminal referral.

"My view of that was that whether it was willful or just the fog of stupid bureaucracy, I don't know," Lehman said. "But in the order of magnitude of things, going after bureaucrats because they misled the commission didn't seem to make sense to me."

Russia is already positioning itself as the worlds Oil conduit as it build pipelines from the middle east to the west and economical it is becoming a powerhouse and even wants to pay off it’s small debt to the IMF early because it has profited from the price of gas going up and has tons of the stuff.

I make three predictions and in this order.

1. Iran will be provoked but will have the backing of Russia and China as it comes to the aid of the Lebanese people.

2. The western world will be plunged into spiralling economic slowdown as the cold war restarts.

3. America the aggressor, like Germany will be forced to pay war repatriations once the truth about 9/11 becomes excepted on an international scale but it will have little to pay this debt off with.

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Russia is already positioning itself as the worlds Oil conduit as it build pipelines from the middle east to the west and economical it is becoming a powerhouse and even wants to pay off it’s small debt to the IMF early because it has profited from the price of gas going up and has tons of the stuff.

I make three predictions and in this order.

1. Iran will be provoked but will have the backing of Russia and China as it comes to the aid of the Lebanese people.

2. The western world will be plunged into spiralling economic slowdown as the cold war restarts.

3. America the aggressor, like Germany will be forced to pay war repatriations once the truth about 9/11 becomes excepted on an international scale but it will have little to pay this debt off with.

Thought provoking stuff - thanks for posting.

My own feelings (and I should declare a bit of an interest as I work in the field of defence analysis) is that Russia will not take sides. They have already tried to avoid souring relations with the US by banning Chavez from spouting anti-Washington rhetoric during his visit to Russia last month. Furthermore, although Russia is continuing to sell arms to Iran (circa USD1 billion of recent deals, including Tor M-1 anti-missile kit), they have avoided pushing the US too far by refusing to sell long-range weapons.

China has little interest in involving itself in such a conflict; if anything, the Asia-Pacific region (think Tiawan) is a more likely catalyst for worsening Sino-American relations.

Don't get me started on the third point... :)

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I don't think Russia - or China - will take sides either if they have any sense, apart from selling weapons.

They will just sit back, watch the US ruin itself financially and sit out the poostorm. Once it's all over, we may be in a world without a single superpower.

Then again, if Dubya gets his way it will probably be WW3.

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Apparently most species only survive for an average of about 4 million years.

Our 4 million years is up.

Maybe this thing in the Middle East will escalate - maybe Russia will get involved - maybe we'll get our nuclear armageddon after all.

Now about this BTL thing ...

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I don't think Russia - or China - will take sides either if they have any sense, apart from selling weapons.

They will just sit back, watch the US ruin itself financially and sit out the poostorm. Once it's all over, we may be in a world without a single superpower.

Then again, if Dubya gets his way it will probably be WW3.

you may find the link between Russia and Iran is stronger than many think.

http://www.hallindseyoracle.com/articles.asp?ArticleID=13165

"Russia, Iran and Syria have entered a defense pact that is in the process of altering the balance of power in the entire Middle East. Russia’s part in the pact has been kept relatively secret for a long time. But the facts reveal a long steady Russian commitment to the Iranian nuclear program and arms supply to Syria."

China needs Oil, Cheap oil and it will not site back and allow G.W Bush to keep using force to monopolise the worlds oil supplies so effectively it too is unable to sit on the fence and I can not see it siding with America this time.

Europe is turning anti-american so america may find itself without any friends.

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