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Listening to J Vine today (weekdays 12:00-14:00) and he announced there would be a discussion on 2nd home ownership headed by some guy claiming that '2nd home owners are the most selfish'.

THIS WILL BE ON FRIDAY 28TH JULY

send in your comments via the website;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/

I've sent mine, along the lines of;

'There is no place for 2nd home ownership in the UK. 2nd homes are almost entirely bought in the parts of the country where the building of new homes is limited or non existent. 2nd homes remove houses from the housing stock and consequently push prices up. My generation (under 35) has been completely priced out of housing. When a 1-bed flat is a struggle to buy, what hope is there of ever buying a 3 or 4-bed home to bring up a family in? The purchase of 2nd homes inadvertently effects other people, in this respect it is unlike the purchase of a 2nd car or a 2nd computer. 2nd homes should incur higher stamp duty and higher ongoing council tax to deter this disease spreading further.'

Don't let the programme become a whitewash of NIMBIES phoning in to profess that their 2nd homes have no impact etc

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I doubt they found 3rd/4th/5th....20th homeowners [ie BTL brigade] selfish - I guess greed is different when it's "my pension"

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Listening to J Vine today (weekdays 12:00-14:00) and he announced there would be a discussion on 2nd home ownership headed by some guy claiming that '2nd home owners are the most selfish'

I think this is tomorrow. Anyway, send in your comments via the website;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/

I've sent mine, along the lines of;

'There is no place for 2nd home ownership in the UK. 2nd homes are almost entirely bought in the parts of the country where the building of new homes is limited or non existent. 2nd homes remove houses from the housing stock and consequently push prices up. My generation (under 35) has been completely priced out of housing. When a 1-bed flat is a struggle to buy, what hope is there of ever buying a 3 or 4-bed home to bring up a family in? The purchase of 2nd homes inadvertently effects other people, in this respect it is unlike the purchase of a 2nd car or a 2nd computer. 2nd homes should incur higher stamp duty and higher ongoing council tax to deter this disease spreading further.'

Don't let the programme become a whitewash of NIMBIES phoning in to profess that their 2nd homes have no impact etc

I've posted my question too which repeats the comment made by Mags on the forum which asked, if a group of speculators bought all the food and water and then tried to sell it for profit to everyone else, there would be riots in the streets. So why is an essential requirement like affordable housing allowed to be sold for profit by property speculators thereby pricing FTBs out of the market. Probably a total waste of time but u gotta try i suppose

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Excellent. I finish work at 11.30 tomorrow. I'll be listening on my way back down the M11. I hope a few people get the cahnce to vent spleen

The programme is bound to have it's share of 2nd home owners claiming that their 2nd homes have no impact and that they are 'entitled' to them as they can afford them.

Problem is that where 2nd homes are bought, local wages are low and the building of new houses is practically non-existent due to over tight planning regulations and NIMBY protectionism prevelant in this country.

My parents family home in Devon was bought as a 2nd home, the home that I grew up in. My parent's bungalow in Cornwall has just been bought as a 2nd home. Opposite my nan, where I grew up a bungalow has been bought as a 2nd home. It is an absolute disease. In Devon and Cornwall, the only people that can afford the prices of 3 and 4-bed family homes are 2nd home buyers. And every house they buy takes another house out of the housing market and pushes up prices.

I detest the idea of 2nd home ownership. If this government was allowing enough houses to be built then maybe there is an argument for it but they are not, there is a shortage of family-sized housing, especially in rural areas popular with the 2nd home owning class. For this reason there is no place for 2nd home ownership. If something isn't sorted out I'd be happy to join any organisation taking direct action on this point.

My nan was talking to the people opposite that barely use their 2nd home and I felt like going over and saying something but didn't want to upset my nan. They make me feel sick. What is wrong with visiting a B&B? For the cost of running their home they could visit a B&B or hotel for the same money. I guess that's partly down to the longterm investment idea of property.

Roll on the bloody crash...

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Excellent. I finish work at 11.30 tomorrow. I'll be listening on my way back down the M11. I hope a few people get the cahnce to vent spleen

Me too. I'll be listening on my tedious journey up the M5/M42/M1

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I've posted my question too which repeats the comment made by Mags on the forum which asked, if a group of speculators bought all the food and water and then tried to sell it for profit to everyone else, there would be riots in the streets.

Erm... isn't that exactly what happened when the water companies were privatised and sold to the French? I must have been sleeping during those riots.

Also, I missed the proletariat rising up against those who would sell bread at greater than cost price ie Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda, Lidl etc etc and indeed anyone who has sought to sell food at a profit ie every grocer in the history of the world.

The staples of life do not come free, my friend, which sadly means that you may actually have to pay rent at some point in your life.

And the worst thing is that you would appear to have posted this PoV more than once: why on earth are you drawing attention to this given how preposterous your point is?

Lionel

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Also, I missed the proletariat rising up against those who would sell bread at greater than cost price ie Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda, Lidl etc etc and indeed anyone who has sought to sell food at a profit ie every grocer in the history of the world.

Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda provide a service. If we all had to drive to the bakers we'd be paying a fortune in petrol/diesel.

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Errm, communities in "picture postcard" area aren't full pf people put there to make an area look quaint- areas in Dorset, Devon & Cornwall actually have local people who shock horror live and work in the area all year round.

When I was a kid there were loads of community activities- in every village local people organised events and there was a good community feeling. Now the areas full of coffin dodgers or snooty city folk who turn up when the weathers nice.

Your 2nd home owner only lives in the property for a couple of weeks or so, they usually contribute sod all to the community and have the effect of strangling local business- workers can't afford to live in the area and the shops etc don't have a steady flow of customers year round.

Most 2nd home owners are townies who have some daft ideas what country life is like- moaning about noise and smells etc. Down the road from me some townie took a local guy to court to stop his cockrells making a noise early in the morning.... WTF this is the country you muppet.

If you aren't a local born and bred in these areas then I can quite see why you wouldn't give a toss... if you were you'd appreciate that not being able to live in your own area amoung people you've known all your life cos of selfish 2nd home owners sucks.

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Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda provide a service. If we all had to drive to the bakers we'd be paying a fortune in petrol/diesel.

No poo, Sherlock. They also bake their own bread on site. Are you suggesting that they make a loss per loaf but recoup that in providing a car parking space?

Me no understand.

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No poo, Sherlock. They also bake their own bread on site. Are you suggesting that they make a loss per loaf but recoup that in providing a car parking space?

Me no understand.

WTF??? Nevermind! :rolleyes:

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Erm... isn't that exactly what happened when the water companies were privatised and sold to the French? I must have been sleeping during those riots.

Also, I missed the proletariat rising up against those who would sell bread at greater than cost price ie Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda, Lidl etc etc and indeed anyone who has sought to sell food at a profit ie every grocer in the history of the world.

The staples of life do not come free, my friend, which sadly means that you may actually have to pay rent at some point in your life.

And the worst thing is that you would appear to have posted this PoV more than once: why on earth are you drawing attention to this given how preposterous your point is?

Lionel

The staples of life do not come free, my friend, which sadly means that you may actually have to pay rent at some point in your life.

Please! Spare me the patronizing ********

Water and food prices haven't increased to the point where you might have to spend over 50% of your disposable income on them just to survive have they? ..........YET

So you think its fine and dandy that a minority of speculators has priced thousands of people out of the property market do you?

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The staples of life do not come free, my friend, which sadly means that you may actually have to pay rent at some point in your life.

Please! Spare me the patronizing ********

Water and food prices haven't increased to the point where you might have to spend over 50% of your disposable income on them just to survive have they? ..........YET

So you think its fine and dandy that a minority of speculators has priced thousands of people out of the property market do you?

Well I don't know about you, but my water bills have inflated by more than houses over the last 10 years.

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The staples of life do not come free, my friend, which sadly means that you may actually have to pay rent at some point in your life.

Please! Spare me the patronizing ********

Water and food prices haven't increased to the point where you might have to spend over 50% of your disposable income on them just to survive have they? ..........YET

So you think its fine and dandy that a minority of speculators has priced thousands of people out of the property market do you?

If you don't like patronising **, don't set yourself up for it.

Why else would you work other than to house and feed yourself in the first instance? What level of disposable income expenditure on housing is fair? 5%? 30%? What? Given that housing is so important, why shouldn't it comprise the largest component of expenditure.

Concur with CO's point on water. We've moved from being a quasi-socialist economy to being a free market economy, within certain boundaries. That means that we're paying market price for things that used to be provided by the government. Like housing.

Whether I think it's fine and dandy that speculators have done well is nether here nor there... it just is. Railing against house price inflation is like railing against an exchange rate - there's very little that an individual can do about it.

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Also, I missed the proletariat rising up against those who would sell bread at greater than cost price ie Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda, Lidl etc etc and indeed anyone who has sought to sell food at a profit ie every grocer in the history of the world...............................Are you suggesting that they make a loss per loaf but recoup that in providing a car parking space?

That is exactly what they do you biscuit haired Muppet(V-funny BTW)! It's called loss leading(contentious issue). They sell beans and bread, bog roll, whatever at a loss and sell other low quality products at huge mark-up cos they're in fancy packets with rustic looking pictures. You don't have to buy these other products when you use their store, nor do you pay for parking, therefore your shopping is subsidised. It is anyway though the CAP which eats 40% of the EU budget.

Shit analogy mate!

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