Impartial Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 http://money.guardian.co.uk/news_/story/0,,1820863,00.html heard on the news it could hit an average of £1 a litre. Hide that from inflation figures. This will not only impact average joe but manufacturers feeling the strain already will be forced to raise prices just like M&S boss said they may have to. This cannot be hidden from CPI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alright Jack Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I am very sick of reading this 'average joe'. I think sir, not too many years from now given the cirumstances your vanity will precipitate your own personal kind of hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xurbia Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 "If families continue to use their cars, they'll pay more for trips than in previous years," she said. "They may have to cut back on treats and extras after money spent on petrol cuts into their disposable income." The profundity of this article! So if petrol goes up we won't be able to enjoy donkey rides and a box of quality street. I've just cancelled my annual pilgrimage to Butlins this year in light of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Limahl Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Yes, although most leading supermarkets now stock rape seed oil for cooking, which also works remarkably well in post-1996 diesels and retails at less than 60p per litre; so I'm told. Son of Limahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial Posted July 14, 2006 Author Share Posted July 14, 2006 I am very sick of reading this 'average joe'. I think sir, not too many years from now given the cirumstances your vanity will precipitate your own personal kind of hell. average joe, general public, herd member, man on the street, domestic user call it what you want.. you are one and i am one too, unless you own your own corporation and house prices are the least of your concerns that makes YOU an average joe too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charlie The Tramp Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 heard on the news it could hit an average of £1 a litre. Hide that from inflation figures. Shocking, when it was only 25 pence a gallon in 1964. Fill up your Mini for £1-50p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasket37 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Shocking, when it was only 25 pence a gallon in 1964. Fill up your Mini for £1-50p. charlie - you need one of these:- http://www.realclassic.co.uk/diesel05112800.html "...returns a staggering 200 -- yes two hundred miles to the gallon of Derv...Running on vegetable oil works out at an equivalent petrol cost of 500 miles to the gallon..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) Yes, although most leading supermarkets now stock rape seed oil for cooking, which also works remarkably well in post-1996 diesels and retails at less than 60p per litre; so I'm told. Son of Limahl nice to see you posting Son of Limahl, any links on the rape seed info, I've just bought a post 96 diesel charlie - you need one of these:- http://www.realclassic.co.uk/diesel05112800.html "...returns a staggering 200 -- yes two hundred miles to the gallon of Derv...Running on vegetable oil works out at an equivalent petrol cost of 500 miles to the gallon..." Charlie likes something a bit more sporty http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/hamm.htm Or for Richard M 'Charlie don't Derv' Edited July 15, 2006 by Saving For a Space Ship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderbird900 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Apparently Customs and Excise can prosecute a person if they are running their car on rape seed. Something to do with the fact that they are avoiding paying duty. Strange situation really. A Govt. department can tell you what you can and cannot put inside your own fuel tank. What would happen if the much celebrated myth of running a vehicle on water ever came about. Discuss...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharm Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Apparently Customs and Excise can prosecute a person if they are running their car on rape seed. Something to do with the fact that they are avoiding paying duty. Strange situation really. A Govt. department can tell you what you can and cannot put inside your own fuel tank. Yup. Tax is payable on vegetable oil / vege-diesel. It's quite easy to pay it -- just get the form from the local tax office. However, it then ends up about the same price as petroluem based diesel fuel... What would happen if the much celebrated myth of running a vehicle on water ever came about. Much entertainment. Fortunately for the government the physics says it isn't possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
right_freds_dead Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 only impossiblility is impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butthead Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Just found this site: http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm For all your "running a car on vegetable oil" needs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonewer Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Apparently Customs and Excise can prosecute a person if they are running their car on rape seed. Something to do with the fact that they are avoiding paying duty. Strange situation really. A Govt. department can tell you what you can and cannot put inside your own fuel tank. What would happen if the much celebrated myth of running a vehicle on water ever came about. Discuss...... Yes, and if you were to pay all the duty on top of the supermarket price of a liter of sunflower oil, it would come out to around £1.40 IIRC. As a side note, there is diesel that can be used in generators and stuff that isnt a vehilce that you dont pay duty on. It costs about 20p a liter or sumink. It as a red dye in it that distinguishes it from road-going diesel. The IRA's chief source of income was "red dielsel" and County Armargh is still full of illegal chem-labs, stripping red dye from dielel, for the purpose of. You can run an engine on water. Unfiortunately you also need a few tons of coal to make the water really hot! only impossiblility is impossible. It really gets on my nerves when people say that. Running an engine on water is a physical impossibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Isn't all this running a car of water lark, really using solar power to seperate the water into hydrogen and oxygen. The car then runs on the hydrogen. The oxygen is an option extra to make the driver high. So really it's a solar powered car. The only debabte is what is the best method to store the energy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 Isn't all this running a car of water lark, really using solar power to seperate the water into hydrogen and oxygen. The car then runs on the hydrogen. The oxygen is an option extra to make the driver high. So really it's a solar powered car. The only debabte is what is the best method to store the energy? The car runs on hydrogen and the waste that comes out of the exhaust is water h2O. Completely clean to tne environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgeingBabyBoomer Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 What about a steam engine? ABB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonewer Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Completely clean to tne environment. Except that you somehow have to generat enough electricity to make the hydrogen in the first place. The reason we use oil is that there are vast underground lakes of the stuff just waiting to be pumped to the surface and put in yur petrol tank. There are no vast lakes of hydrogen for us to tap into. There are also big problems with storing hydrogen- which is after all, just a pair of protons. Its pretty small. Small enough to diffuse out of a metal tank. What about a steam engine? ABB Steam is not a fuel. In an old locomotive, coal was the fuel. Steam was just a method of transfering the energy from burning coal (external combustion) to turn the wheels of the train. Internal combustion engines have no need of steam because the combustion of fuel drives the engine directley. That is more efficient when you think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 Except that you somehow have to generat enough electricity to make the hydrogen in the first place. The reason we use oil is that there are vast underground lakes of the stuff just waiting to be pumped to the surface and put in yur petrol tank. There are no vast lakes of hydrogen for us to tap into. There are also big problems with storing hydrogen- which is after all, just a pair of protons. Its pretty small. Small enough to diffuse out of a metal tank. Steam is not a fuel. In an old locomotive, coal was the fuel. Steam was just a method of transfering the energy from burning coal (external combustion) to turn the wheels of the train. Internal combustion engines have no need of steam because the combustion of fuel drives the engine directley. That is more efficient when you think about it. Good point about hydrogen. It is the same with this ethanol boom at the moment. Archer Daniel Midland's stocks doubled in value due to news of an ethanol processing plant and a direction towards ethanol. This is a great alternative however i believe it is a contingency to oil shortage as it is more expensive to make and to produce it is just as harmful to the environment. By the way I bought shares in the company 2 years ago on a rumour this was their direction it was a good move. Solar is an option but we do not have the ability to harness enough of the suns power for high performance. In my opinion nature has delivered us a double edged sword. It is either harmful to produce the clean fuel or it is harmful to burn the avalable fuel. We need another einstein and a scientific breakthrough, unfortunately scientists aren't what they were 200 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonewer Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Good point about hydrogen. It is the same with this ethanol boom at the moment. Archer Daniel Midland's stocks doubled in value due to news of an ethanol processing plant and a direction towards ethanol. This is a great alternative however i believe it is a contingency to oil shortage as it is more expensive to make and to produce it is just as harmful to the environment. By the way I bought shares in the company 2 years ago on a rumour this was their direction it was a good move. Solar is an option but we do not have the ability to harness enough of the suns power for high performance. In my opinion nature has delivered us a double edged sword. It is either harmful to produce the clean fuel or it is harmful to burn the avalable fuel. We need another einstein and a scientific breakthrough, unfortunately scientists aren't what they were 200 years ago. The problem with biofuels is where to plant them? And what effect does all this agriculture have on the environment? Agriculture isnt neccesarily environmental friendly an chopping down the amazon or plantin gover what left of the worlds wilderness areas is hardly good for the environment either. Even if we did this, it is doubtfull if we could make even a fraction of our current demand. Again the problem with solar power is where to put all the panels? Solar panels are also very polluting to manufacture, a fact overlooked by the guardian reading beardies. Nuclear power is a good way forward, unfortunately, the public hysteria associated with anything 'nuclear' means this is doubtful to ever be put into practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 The problem with biofuels is where to plant them? And what effect does all this agriculture have on the environment? Agriculture isnt neccesarily environmental friendly an chopping down the amazon or plantin gover what left of the worlds wilderness areas is hardly good for the environment either. Even if we did this, it is doubtfull if we could make even a fraction of our current demand. Again the problem with solar power is where to put all the panels? Solar panels are also very polluting to manufacture, a fact overlooked by the guardian reading beardies. Nuclear power is a good way forward, unfortunately, the public hysteria associated with anything 'nuclear' means this is doubtful to ever be put into practice. The cost of gas/oil will force the hand of nuclear power. I believe it is the only way.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Yeah god hurry up with the nuclear. We've got so many ways of processing the waste and storing it safely presenting no problems to current or future generations, and its so cheap to do too. </sarcasm> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 Yeah god hurry up with the nuclear. We've got so many ways of processing the waste and storing it safely presenting no problems to current or future generations, and its so cheap to do too. </sarcasm> you for got to start your html with <sarcasm> you just ended it with </sarcasm> There are ways of dealing with nuclear waste. It just costs money. I would hope we would spend the money but unfortunately i know we won't. The point is no matter what fuel we go for the are positives and negatives, it's a lose lose situation. Nuclear is clean until you have to worry about waste and potential disasters. If the money is spent though it is the most viable early resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its time to buy Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) The answer lies in the millions of acres of space available in the seas and oceans and deserts All uninhabitited and not harnassed potential. Two thirds of this planet is ocean - just sitting there not being used. All this space could be used to harnase energy. I dont know what the next einstein will think up - but the answer is staring us in the face. Theres wave power, or we could make banks and banks of solar panels in the ocean, or wind turbines in the ocean or desert. There is so much area free, and unused space, its stupid not to use it. Maybe someone will think of a way of just sticking two cables in the sea, and by using electro salt potential harnassing, E.S.P.H (i made that up) the sea becomes one big solar panel, producing electricity - forgoing making the millions of solar panels We re just not pushed into that situation of radical thinking yet, becuase crude oil is still relatively cheap. Edited July 15, 2006 by notanewmember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonytramcar Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Saw a working horse and cart in Taunton this week - haven't seen one for years. Anyone know the current price of oats? - and what's the likely m.p. kg. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Sacks Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 If you're interested here's the C&E link for biofuel duty: http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalW...cument#P10_1509 Here is a link to my personal biodiesel setup on Bubb's GEI: http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index....ic=571&st=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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