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http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1820184,00.html

Chancellor's freeze on public pay angers unions

Ashley Seager

Friday July 14, 2006

The Guardian

Gordon Brown yesterday announced that the government would extend a tight squeeze on public sector pay, freezing it to 2011.
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Mr Brown also told parliament that the government would press on with its civil service job cuts. "We will reach the 80,000 figure by 2008 and we will bring forward further proposals for the next spending round so that we can ensure that we get the most resources to the frontline caring services - which are the priority for this government and I know are the priority for the people of Britain."

With unemployment on the rise he is going to sack 80,000 more? Yeah right. Some miracle economy Gordo!

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This isn't so much slowing spending, this is slowing inflation.

Remember, inflation is not things getting more expensive, it is the increase of money supply to buy the more expensive things.

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Nah. You guys need to rewatch Yes Minister.

So the pay freeze kicks in on public servants. Those who are already earning too much get to stay put for a year or 2. Those earning too little will find themselves 'redundant'. However, their job function will continue to exist but be taken over by a private business. Being the most qualified for the job they will be taken on by the private business (possibly as part of the take over contract) at probably the same ts and cs, or perhaps better. Now that they are not 'public sector' but are now private sector, the pay freeze no longer applies to them.

So now their job costs the government more, as it pays extra to the middle man. But the governments responsibility for sick pay, holiday pay, pensions etc disappears, replaced by the simple payment scheme to the contracting company, which then pays corporation tax. So we see government liabilities going down, private business booming, and wages still keeping pace with inflation.

Genius.

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Gordon Brown yesterday announced that the government would extend a tight squeeze on public sector pay, freezing it to 2011.

So what he's actually saying, is that by 2011 public sector workers will be just as badly paid as private sector workers :lol:

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Gordon Brown yesterday announced that the government would extend a tight squeeze on public sector pay, freezing it to 2011.

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Mr Brown also told parliament that the government would press on with its civil service job cuts. "We will reach the 80,000 figure by 2008 and we will bring forward further proposals for the next spending round so that we can ensure that we get the most resources to the frontline caring services - which are the priority for this government and I know are the priority for the people of Britain."

What's that sound?

Hey! What was that just going past down the road?

Oh I see now.

It's the wheels coming off the "miracle economy".

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You got me all excited with the head line, silly me was thinking that all the MP’s have decided to stick with what they get already for the next few years as they have constantly been awarding themselves inflation busting pay rises and decided to play fair.

With all the immigrants they are letting in the rest of us will be lucky if we can continue to earn what we get now.

Time we made MP’s accountable and stopped the fixed voting system since all three parties are in the same bed together and all they argue about is which one must get up first and make the Coffey

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With unemployment on the rise he is going to sack 80,000 more? Yeah right. Some miracle economy Gordo!

He will, though they will be 'Girshon' "job cuts"

Not so long ago, NuLabor's favourite council Camden, cleverly produced a handy few thousand "job cuts" to help towards Gordons 80,000 Girshon Review target, by making council employes re-apply for their own jobs but with different job-tiltes.

Of course even the most uber-jobsworths were successful applicants, thus producing "job cuts" and new employment , not only helping boost the labour market figures, but also their infaltion-busting annual pay-rises will also be hidden from Gordon's tough "pay freeze" as their "new" jobs can't be compared like-for-like with the old ones, as they are new positions

Its a Miracle!!

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SO WHY... are those BBC types all getting big pay rises???

They are paid for from what amounts to a tax also.

Fire 'em, and shrink teh BBC, I say!!

Its easy to explain, our government is run by what the French call: Socialistes de Champagne

They may all get included in TB's honours list for truth and integrity in reporting that the HPC is not going to happen.

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SO WHY... are those BBC types all getting big pay rises???

They are paid for from what amounts to a tax also.

Fire 'em, and shrink teh BBC, I say!!

Because they would all be able to earn much more working elsewhere, apparently.

£18m for Jonathan Ross? Madness. Let the greedy twit go and find some new talent.

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Has brown ever cut any civil service jobs like he claimed or has he hired thousands more?

The latter methinks.

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Would anyone notice? :P

We might end up less co-ordinated in our diversity. :o

That alone should keep us awake at night.

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He's always spouting this sort of garbage though. I doubt whether he really has it in him to sack the workers (maybe it will come from natuaral turnover/recruitment freezes etc.).

Oh it was all looking so good until Gordon actually started to tinker with things, he couldn't leave it alone, could he?

:lol:

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So what he's actually saying, is that by 2011 public sector workers will be just as badly paid as private sector workers :lol:

Nah , he's saying we've already stuffed your pensions with so much tax payers cash , so you can't have it in you pay as well .But look forward to a tax payer funded retirement at the age of 60 while the MUGS tax payers continue on until 68.

:P

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I could be wrong but I think it is 2008 when they have planned to restructure the Councils and District Councils.

They are going to merge the District and Town Councils into the County Councils so that there is only one body per County.

That wld go some way to achieving Gordi's target and achieve his supposed - front line empathasis on "caring" for the people of UK.

To achieve this though - they're going to bring in loads of Management Consultants, Experts of all kinds, contractors but make redundant anyone working for these organisations for years and years in the hope of the security of a pension.

With a large number of people made redundant in some of the smaller towns, it will have an impact.

But also, as usual, in the end, like the NHS, take-up heaps of money in restructuring what was already restructured before.

PCT fiascos all over again.

Just watch your Council Tax rise!!!

Oh but, they're capped if they go over a certain amount ... so then it means back to the 1970s, not enough bin men, nobody burying the dead, streets not cleaned, and leaving the UK looking a bit third worldish to my mind, except that most third world countries have workers who do clean the streets and bury/cremate/and do otherwise to their dead to get them to heaven on time.

Gosh, what a thought - cld that ever happen again?

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Oh but, they're capped if they go over a certain amount ... so then it means back to the 1970s, not enough bin men, nobody burying the dead, streets not cleaned, and leaving the UK looking a bit third worldish to my mind, except that most third world countries have workers who do clean the streets and bury/cremate/and do otherwise to their dead to get them to heaven on time.

The bin men only cost a tiny fraction. It's the police, education and pensions that probably take the bulk.

It wouldn't surprise me if Labour introduce a stealth tax for abandoned rotting cadavers. Perhaps if they find a dead body inside a house this will then be deemed as an empty dwelling. They would be able to re-house the unemployed single mothers and the soap-dodging-unemployable-fake-disabled-badge-holders in such places and leave the dead bodies on the carpet.

The UK is third world already if you look close enough: poor transport network, TB and HepB outbreaks and a corrupt, greedy, pompous government all eating from the big tax trough.

The capping is a nonsense. It's been increased too fast and doesn't take account of ability to pay. When you get a fat, worthless **** like Prescock evading council tax I think it sends a message out.

Edited by Xurbia

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i dont see why public service workers should get prefferential pension treatment.

They would claim that it's part of their emolument "package". The reason, or one of them, that they decided to become a civil servant. To withdraw it from people who joined up 30 years ago, having decided that a good pension at 60 would be a good reason to join, would see its withdrawal as a big swindle.

I would say that they have a good argument.

Time we made MP’s accountable

:huh: They are the most accountable people in the country. They have to be re-elected every few years.

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They would claim that it's part of their emolument "package". The reason, or one of them, that they decided to become a civil servant. To withdraw it from people who joined up 30 years ago, having decided that a good pension at 60 would be a good reason to join, would see its withdrawal as a big swindle.

I would say that they have a good argument.

Don't want to go too far off topic here, but while I agree they have an argument, the pensions item has been affected by so many factors, not least folk living a lot longer, it has affected many females now having to work till 65 instead of 60 & will affect a whole bunch of folk who were expecting to retire at 65 now probably raised to 68.

Is it really fair that factors which have adversely altered the retirement plans for so many should not be taken in to account for a 'select section'.

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Don't want to go too far off topic here, but while I agree they have an argument, the pensions item has been affected by so many factors, not least folk living a lot longer, it has affected many females now having to work till 65 instead of 60 & will affect a whole bunch of folk who were expecting to retire at 65 now probably raised to 68.

Is it really fair that factors which have adversely altered the retirement plans for so many should not be taken in to account for a 'select section'.

The factors you mention apply to state pensions, not occupational pensions.

Many people mistakenly think that civil servants have a different state pension arrangement. They don't. In the same way that 2 people have very different occupational pensions, this is no different. I worked in the private sector and retired after 30 years on 2/3 final salary, at the age of 50. My brother, also in the private secor, will get absolutely zilch. There is no unfairness involved at all. I took a future pension into account when I chose, he didn't.

Also, re your point about increased longevity, they have taken this into account by altering the arrangements for new entrants.

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