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Despite The H P I Miracle Brown Is Warned By His Own Party

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1800773,00.html

Brown aide: we will lose next election

Labour must regain public trust or face 15 years in opposition, MP warns

Patrick Wintour, political editor

Monday June 19, 2006

The Guardian

One of Gordon Brown's closest aides has warned that Labour on its current course will lose the next election and be out of power for 15 years, since voters have lost trust in the party and will no longer listen to its message.
The warning by Michael Wills, a former Home Office minister and the Labour MP for Swindon North, is the most public disclosure yet of the deep concern in the chancellor's circle that Labour may lose the election unless there is a radical renewal of the party.

How can the public trust a man whose claim to fame is inflating house prices and creating a debt mountain on the back of cheap Asian credit? And who can trust a man who tells the people there is no inflation as they open their fuel bills and pay their council tax? Who can trust a Chancellor let alone a PM who moves the dates around to show a better financial result? Who can trust a government that doesn't trust its own electorate by forcing ID cards and littering the country with spy cameras and surveillance technology?

A party that cannot be trusted cannot remain in power.

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A party that cannot be trusted cannot remain in power.

Of course they can: they only need 22% of the vote, after all.

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I felt they had lost touch when the fuel crisis hit us a couple of years ago

The country was grining to a halt and they did nothing for days....

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>How can the public trust a man whose claim to fame is inflating house prices and creating a debt mountain on the back of cheap Asian credit?

They can't.

>And who can trust a man who tells the people there is no inflation as they open their fuel bills and pay their council tax?

Nobody.

>Who can trust a Chancellor let alone a PM who moves the dates around to show a better financial result?

Nobody.

>Who can trust a government that doesn't trust its own electorate by forcing ID cards and littering the country with spy cameras and surveillance technology?

Nobody.

>A party that cannot be trusted cannot remain in power.

Oh, but they can...

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Totally with you on this one....

This governement has ripped the a**e out of the economy sacrificing the future to pay for today and we will feel it for years to come!

Labour has a knack of using up the collateral gifted them by the previous encumbents and then spending yet more - and what will we have to show for all this when spending has to be brought down to compensate?

Browns 'miracle' is that Labour have stayed in power for so long in the face of gross incompetence.

Get them out - use your vote.

HAL

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[quote name=Realistbear' date='Jun 19 2006, 01:56 PM' post='402816]

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A party that cannot be trusted cannot remain in power.

Remember that there is still a large percentage of people in this country who still think that our friend the Sultan of Spin is doing a great job on the Miracle Economy as he furiously twitches at the levers of influence to get himself voted into no 10. They are not capable of understanding that the the Miracle Economy is purely a product of slipstreaming global prosperity and that old style soviet politics will be useless when we hit choppy waters.

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I felt they had lost touch when the fuel crisis hit us a couple of years ago

The country was grining to a halt and they did nothing for days....

My distrust goes back further than that - during the foot and mouth disaster in 2001 at a time when parts of the country were desperate for manpower to simply remove the thousands of (possibly unneccesarly) culled animals lying dead on farms for weeks - Tony refused to allow the army to be used to help as it might have delayed his General Election (if I remember correctly it did in the end once he realised (too late) the disaster one of his departments were creating).

They were an incompetent bunch of bafoons then and there bahaviour since has provided further evidence for this statement.

The sad thing is that still most of the people I know (half of whom like me have not got a hope in hell of buying even the smallest hovel) still have not twigged what the "miracle economy" is all about - some are even looking forward to having Brown in charge. They believe he has put an end to the "boom and bust" cycle. :o

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A party that cannot be trusted cannot remain in power.[/i]

Remember that there is still a large percentage of people in this country who still think that our friend the Sultan of Spin is doing a great job on the Miracle Economy as he furiously twitches at the levers of influence to get himself voted into no 10.

I disagree - show me a poll that points to Brown's popularity - the guy is almost universally disliked - its a NuLab myth that Brown is popular, spun by Browns minions, and others in the party desparate to siddle up to him, in the hope that if he gets to be PM, they are on the winning side and get the cushy jobs

Brown is a desparate, miserable, half-crazed sulk, and the more the populace see of him, the less they like, contrasting with Cameron, who comes across as a relaxed nice guy, and who doesnt appear to crave power in the grabbing way that Gordon Broon does

IMO Brown wont make it to the top job. He's a coward whos twice failed to weild the knife on Blair - it's too late for him now. He should have take that IMF job when offered a couple of years back. Apparently he was very tempted to take it, but as usual, bottled out at last minute, prefering to hang on and attempt to be PM

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Labour dont know how to 'deliver'.

They are great on rhetoric filled initiatives but the dull drugery that leads to those words being put into action on the ground floor is where they let themselves down.

Tony Ben and every other labour Man still thinks you solve problems by spending money.

They want to interfere into everything yet fail to deliver anything other than heaps of bulletins and directives.

'Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' said Tony in 1997! :rolleyes:

Labour have never understood the link between results and spending. I run my own business, if I spend I want to be ruddy sure that spend will result in real world added value I can see and touch.

Does anyone remember that mound of blubber Barbara Roach?

In c2000 she on several occasions assured the newsnight interviewers that immigration was fully under control! She often got very cross when the interviewers dared to question whether she was actually delivering on rhetoric. She ought to be accountable for her promises.

Socialists will always interfere without knowing how to deliver. Problem is they cost a fecking fortune in the process.

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"Does anyone remember that mound of blubber Barbara Roach?

In c2000 she on several occasions assured the newsnight interviewers that immigration was fully under control! She often got very cross when the interviewers dared to question whether she was actually delivering on rhetoric. She ought to be accountable for her promises."

The opposition would do well to record all promised made by the current government and then bring out a video to show how "well" they have done against those promises - a kind of NuLabour rogues galley, or a pack of card with pictures of the main culprits behind the "Axis Of Incompetence".

HAL

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The opposition would do well to record all promised made by the current government and then bring out a video to show how "well" they have done against those promises - a kind of NuLabour rogues galley, or a pack of card with pictures of the main culprits behind the "Axis Of Incompetence".

Theyve done a website: Labour Do Not Do :D - its not official Conservative party stuff, but party of the Chameleon Army internet campaigns

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"Does anyone remember that mound of blubber Barbara Roach?

In c2000 she on several occasions assured the newsnight interviewers that immigration was fully under control! She often got very cross when the interviewers dared to question whether she was actually delivering on rhetoric. She ought to be accountable for her promises."

The opposition would do well to record all promised made by the current government and then bring out a video to show how "well" they have done against those promises - a kind of NuLabour rogues galley, or a pack of card with pictures of the main culprits behind the "Axis Of Incompetence".

HAL

Brilliant!

Ive often wondered why they dont do this. Imagine all the hollow hecktoring rhetoric soundbites by the likes of B Roach, Douglas Alexander, Mrs P Hewitt, Hazel Blears and C Faulkner shown against actual delivery.

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It's not just us who are complaining. Others are starting to feel the pinch now because of tax and increased costs etc. I hear them at work. Many of them blame Brown. A guy at work has just inherited a house and is worried that the Labour government will confiscate it before he has time to work on and decide what to do with it. He's pissed off. Immigration is another issue that is growing rapidly. People see it in the streets and the initial novelty of it amongst some is turning sour. ID cards and increased social control in all kinds of areas is another. Discontent is on the increase now and unless Labour totally reverses itself the discontent will gain so much momentum that they will be wiped off the board at the next general election. I used to think they were alright years ago. Now I despise them even more than I hated the Conservatives years ago. I hope to God I never see another Socialist government in my lifetime.

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I hope to God I never see another Socialist government in my lifetime.

I often muse that we put ministers in charge of huge departments of which they have no experience and to cap it all, Tony regularly moves them to a new departments. So we get a constant 'raft' of new initiatives as the next muppet steps up to the plate wanting to leave his mark.

At least most Tories have had experience outside of politics in business so have a bit more of a handle on delivering outcomes.

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How can the public trust a man whose claim to fame is inflating house prices and creating a debt mountain on the back of cheap Asian credit? And who can trust a man who tells the people there is no inflation as they open their fuel bills and pay their council tax? Who can trust a Chancellor let alone a PM who moves the dates around to show a better financial result? Who can trust a government that doesn't trust its own electorate by forcing ID cards and littering the country with spy cameras and surveillance technology?

Beautifully put!

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I often muse that we put ministers in charge of huge departments of which they have no experience and to cap it all, Tony regularly moves them to a new departments. So we get a constant 'raft' of new initiatives as the next muppet steps up to the plate wanting to leave his mark.

At least most Tories have had experience outside of politics in business so have a bit more of a handle on delivering outcomes.

I fully agree with this - it dumbfounds me to see the labour approach to problems of just throwing more money, more policies, and more people at them rather than trying to work out where everything is falling down....I'd love to see someone Lean-Sigma central and local government - I suspect it'd free up a lot of people to deliver on the services improvements that we've been promised for all the extra cash. The overwhelming impression I get from people working for government is that it's despite the policies that they get their work completed, not because of them.

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"Does anyone remember that mound of blubber Barbara Roach?

In c2000 she on several occasions assured the newsnight interviewers that immigration was fully under control! She often got very cross when the interviewers dared to question whether she was actually delivering on rhetoric. She ought to be accountable for her promises."

The opposition would do well to record all promised made by the current government and then bring out a video to show how "well" they have done against those promises - a kind of NuLabour rogues galley, or a pack of card with pictures of the main culprits behind the "Axis Of Incompetence".

HAL

Was it Tessa Jowel that said the HEalth service was in FINE SHAPE and better than it was since 1997??

We then find out its completed screwed and 160 million in DEBT!!!

I do not trust anything that NuLabour say - they are TRUELY the masters of spin! This is why they will never get my vote again! They LIE LIE LIE!!!

TB

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