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After careful consideration and from listening to your views on this subject we have now decided to withdraw the Google ads from after the first post and the skyscraper ads from the right hand side of the forum pages.

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After careful consideration and from listening to your views on this subject we have now decided to withdraw the Google ads from after the first post and the skyscraper ads from the right hand side of the forum pages.

Cheers WM!

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Good to see that we ARE STILL listened too. I fully suport this move but feel it did NOT have to come to this.

I respect people who have the b@lls to admit they were wrong.

TB

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After careful consideration and from listening to your views on this subject we have now decided to withdraw the Google ads from after the first post and the skyscraper ads from the right hand side of the forum pages.

How about being straight with people and admit it is because an individule placed a Google ad, advertising the *********, and it appeared on here.

Shot with your own bullet, you got to laugh.

Well that will be me banned I suppose :rolleyes:

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After careful consideration and from listening to your views on this subject we have now decided to withdraw the Google ads from after the first post and the skyscraper ads from the right hand side of the forum pages.

What you actually mean to say is:

"After losing many of our most regular posters on the forum due to ridiculous amounts of advertising, and censorship of any complaints, we have decided to bin the adverts before the site becomes worthless.".

I think you have permanently lost a large swathe of your most regular posters due to the adverts, and more importantly because of the censorship.

I understand that fubra is commercial and needs to make profits, but this should not be at the expense of the user experience. Its a fine balance, and too many adverts result in posters not being happy - as you've probably now noticed.

But censorship is something that most of the HPC regulars do not condone in any form. It is simply not acceptable, as the Internet is one of the few places where people can expect to speak freely regardless of their views. If HPC does not support 'free speech' then I cannot support HPC (and I suspect many will join me in this). This is especially galling when we all know that fubra (and yourself I suspect) have made a lot of money out of our posts.

Personally, I will not continue to post over here, except in reply to important issues that I feel strongly about.

It is very sad to see this happening to HPC after all this time, but I suspect this is now the beginning og the end for HPC, hence the knee-jerk reaction of removing the ads. Obviously you only did this in response to commercial pressures (ie. Most of your regular posters leaving resulting in reduced advertising revenue).

The posters who have left are well aware that it will have affected your advertising revenue, as the far lower traffic is patently evident. Far from being enticed back by your knee-jerk reaction, it would appear that most regulars are still dissapointed in what HPC has become.

I am sure that you have been reading the forum at 'the other place' (I won't name it as I'd rather this post was not deleted) and are now well aware of the error of your ways.

And if you want to convince people that you have seen the error of your ways (moderators and fubra) then you might like to start with a sincere apology.

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Bugger free speech.

The content on this site is 99% from contributions of private individuals. Without this, it's a bit of software on a server. Big sodding wow.

'Moderators' should remember this before they start saying 'Good bye and good riddance' to long established posters, hardly a 'moderate' response. :angry:

10 out of 10 for whoever got the Google ads to backfire. :lol:

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How about being straight with people and admit it is because an individule placed a Google ad, advertising the *********, and it appeared on here.

Shot with your own bullet, you got to laugh.

Well that will be me banned I suppose :rolleyes:

Because that's not the reason. If we wanted to stop that ad then we'd just add it to the AdSense filter.

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Naah, no good at all.

For me it would take a 'we're sorry we tried to screw everyone over - we've given the money back and this is now a web forum again' - the ads aren't gone because you 'listened to what people said' (are you NuLabour?) - they're gone because the regular posters are all over at **********

You have blown it. Lots of people complained and moaned. And you had the bloody nerve to censor their posts and give them temporary banning orders (you ARE NuLabour!).

Now you are the captain of a sinking ship - finally you start listening to the passengers. Holed below the water-line methinks.

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the ads aren't gone because you 'listened to what people said' (are you NuLabour?) - they're gone because the regular posters are all over at *********************.co.uk

I'd have to agree with that. If you had been listening to the people you would have never put the google ads on as there were people, me included, who had complained about the the right hand side banner ads.

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Naah, no good at all.

For me it would take a 'we're sorry we tried to screw everyone over - we've given the money back and this is now a web forum again' - the ads aren't gone because you 'listened to what people said' (are you NuLabour?) - they're gone because the regular posters are all over at **********

You have blown it. Lots of people complained and moaned. And you had the bloody nerve to censor their posts and give them temporary banning orders (you ARE NuLabour!).

Now you are the captain of a sinking ship - finally you start listening to the passengers. Holed below the water-line methinks.

The reason why we reverted back is because we were seeing how well these new ad placements performed and we needed to have a reasonable amount of data to do this. We also responded to well reasoned, sensible correspondance from regular members who said that the extra ads were affecting their overall experience of the website.

We're not saying that we're not going to add anymore ads to the website, what we're saying is that we're experimenting with different ideas and will listen to feedback in order to strike a balance between generating sustainable revenue to at least cover costs and development expenses and we'll also probably give you all advance notice of these things in future.

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I'd have to agree with that. If you had been listening to the people you would have never put the google ads on as there were people, me included, who had complained about the the right hand side banner ads.

I also voiced concerns about the intrusion of the ads, but £ signs were flashing along with the Ads, so we were treated with contempt. The Google ads in the threads were the last straw for me. HPC were taking the urine out of the very posters that represented it's commercial value, it's forum contributers.

I have not gone to another site in an attempt to extract blackmail from HPC. I've gone because I feel I'm part of something over there, that part of something you used to get over here before it became a commercial enterprise. The webs full of commercial enterprises with commercial agendas. My input is given freely, but I'll be beggered that somebody benifits from it commercially. Whilst at the same time not trusting me with a "PM" facility. Not that I have PM'ed anybody on this site about another site, but nontheless it appears I'm not to be trusted. So my PM facility has been removed because I visit another board, Now that really shows how far this site has slipped down that slippery poll of commercialism. It attempts to suffercate opposition, by castrating its own flock, in case they utter it's name.

Oh and by the way, not that it had any bearing on my decision, but if that "other" site is ever sold, the members who built and supported it will benefit, not just the "Fat Controller"

I'll finish my last ever post on this forum by saying, like myself, Consa is far from perfect, but least ways we respect each others right to disagree on occasion, and you know what it really works. Goodbye.

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We're not saying that we're not going to add anymore ads to the website, what we're saying is that we're experimenting with different ideas and will listen to feedback in order to strike a balance between generating sustainable revenue to at least cover costs and development expenses and we'll also probably give you all advance notice of these things in future.

Better late than never.

I trust you have realised that you made a big mistake, and that any future ad changes will be minor in nature.

This episode has been an interesting demonstration of people power.

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After careful consideration and from listening to your views on this subject we have now decided to withdraw the Google ads from after the first post and the skyscraper ads from the right hand side of the forum pages.

Many thanks.

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about time, it was totally ridiculous.

hope you can get the posters who made this forum what it is back.

trust, common aims and friendship have forged this community and I think there are plenty that feel betrayed,.. and then there are the strs..lol

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The reason why we reverted back is because we were seeing how well these new ad placements performed and we needed to have a reasonable amount of data to do this. What a shame you did not give people advance warning of this, indicate it was an experiment, put a time limit on it and ask for feedback. We also responded to well reasoned, sensible correspondance from regular members who said that the extra ads were affecting their overall experience of the website. Sorry, but you did not. There were lots of well-reasoned, sensible comments (complaints) about the new ads but there was not one single word of response to any of them. Which is why, finally, some long-standing posters felt the need to repetititively post new threads complaining about this very fact. Then, and only then, did you begin to communicate. And then it was in a high-handed way. You seem to forget that, as a commercial entity, the people who post here are your CUSTOMERs.

We're not saying that we're not going to add anymore ads to the website, what we're saying is that we're experimenting with different ideas and will listen to feedback in order to strike a balance between generating sustainable revenue to at least cover costs and development expenses and we'll also probably give you all advance notice of these things in future.

Development expenses? Isn't this an off-the-shelf forum? £195 for unlimited use?

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Thanks for listening.

Nice to have the old look and feel again,

though the skyscrapers didn't bother me too

much the thread embedded ads were a

real p-off.

Maybe before any more changes are

rolled out, we could be given a heads up,

that way instead of outrage, you might get

some constructive criticism :)

(Well, posssibly)

ABB

Edited by AgeingBabyBoomer

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Development expenses? Isn't this an off-the-shelf forum? £195 for unlimited use?

If they were to sell the site tomorrow, what would they be really selling? The customer base which is dwindling at a fast rate.

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If they were to sell the site tomorrow, what would they be really selling? The customer base which is dwindling at a fast rate.

Webmaster, I do have some sympathy for you and the other moderators.

It would have been far more polite and diplomatic to say "thanks for giving us the oportunity to give our views on house prices ...but can you please do something about the number of ads currently posted on each thread"

I won't generalise but a lot of bears are just so selfish. The truth is , that without your time and commitment, they wouldn't be able to air their views with others in the same boat.

I'm a bull by the way. But I do know that running a website for the public deserves to be applauded.

My only gripe is that some posts are removed simply because you don't agree with the author. My thought is that only complaints from other members should be reason enough for a post to be removed.

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Development expenses? Isn't this an off-the-shelf forum? £195 for unlimited use?

Actually I'd imagine the forum is free. However, there are costs involved in customising such scripts. Also I'd imagine the hosting is in the region of £50+ a month as this site gets an awful lot of traffic.

I run some smaller forums and you have to keep an eye on what is being posted and they do sometimes go tits up for no good reason and you can spend half a day restoring and fixing stuff.

Also at the end of the day if I was getting 10,000 or however many visitors a day, I'd want to be making a pile of cash!!

Having said that, I'm glad the ads in the postings have gone - they were OTT

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Development expenses? Isn't this an off-the-shelf forum? £195 for unlimited use?

That's the cost for a license for the forum software, but there's also hosting and development costs.

Thanks for listening.

Nice to have the old look and feel again,

though the skyscrapers didn't bother me too

much the thread embedded ads were a

real p-off.

Maybe before any more changes are

rolled out, we could be given a heads up,

that way instead of outrage, you might get

some constructive criticism :)

(Well, posssibly)

ABB

We'll give heads up on this forum of any future changes.

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That's the cost for a license for the forum software, but there's also hosting and development costs.

Does advertising cover cost of running and if so, how many time more does it cover costs?

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