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We've recently added some ad placements to the website including the forum so we thought we'd clarify the ad situation:

When the ownership of the site transferred to Fubra they were very up front in saying that they would be adding adverts to the site and this is what they have done although they didn't do this straight away after taking over the site.

Ads that will NOT be appearing on HPC:

  • Pop-ups
    Pop up ads open a small new browser window when you open a Web site.
  • Pop-unders
    Pop unders are new windows that open under your active window. You usually don't notice these until you close the active window.
  • Screen overlays
    Ads that overlay the screen and make you click on the Close X to close the ad.

Websites aren't free to run, especially ones with high traffic like HPC. In return for giving you a free facility to post your comments on the housing market we place ads on the pages to pay for the hosting and development of the website.

Many other websites offer a paid for subscription service that allows users to user the website ad-free. This is something that we are considering as an option as several of you have contacted us to say that you would like to do this.

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Personally I can accept ads being added. I think the new Google ads that appear as posts are likely to be ineffectual as everyone hates them, but if you feel you have to have them I can understand the motivation.

What I can't understand is why FUBRA won't correct the bad coding which screws up the right hand side of the page. It is perfectly possible to have ads in that screen position without the bug that makes parts of posts impossible to read on certain browsers. I think it is crucial that they address this rather than just telling us to change our settings/browser.

Apart from anything else, I might be prepared to work around the problem (although it is infuriating) but new visitors to the site will simply conclude that it is a mess and give up, which would be a shame both for the HPC cause and for FUBRA who presumably want to maximise traffic.

Edited by Magpie

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We've recently added some ad placements to the website including the forum so we thought we'd clarify the ad situation:

When the ownership of the site transferred to Fubra they were very up front in saying that they would be adding adverts to the site and this is what they have done although they didn't do this straight away after taking over the site.

Ads that will NOT be appearing on HPC:

  • Pop-ups

    Pop up ads open a small new browser window when you open a Web site.

  • Pop-unders

    Pop unders are new windows that open under your active window. You usually don't notice these until you close the active window.

  • Screen overlays

    Ads that overlay the screen and make you click on the Close X to close the ad.

Websites aren't free to run, especially ones with high traffic like HPC. In return for giving you a free facility to post your comments on the housing market we place ads on the pages to pay for the hosting and development of the website.

Many other websites offer a paid for subscription service that allows users to user the website ad-free. This is something that we are considering as an option as several of you have contacted us to say that you would like to do this.

Sorry but.....

Today you have amended the statement FUBAR put up when they took over. You have removed this section

This is why we don't feel the need to continually put flashing adverts up on the screen when you simply want to use our site specifically for what you have visited it for. We do of course mention our other sites in order to earn some money for all our hard work but we would never expect to earn any money if we didn't offer the best products and web sites, so it's always our goal to keep these high standards up.
Edited by gilf

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Many other websites offer a paid for subscription service that allows users to user the website ad-free. This is something that we are considering as an option as several of you have contacted us to say that you would like to do this.

I'll wager that most other sites offering such a service do not rely on subscribers to provide the content. Like it or not, HPC is dependent on the frequent posters here (not myself, I'll admit) to provide a reason for people to visit the site. Upset them too much and you will quickly find yourself with noone to advertise to.

I have welcomed many of the improvements to the site over the past couple of months (not least, the improved graphic design and increased 'uptime'). Personally, I am more than happy to accept some ads to fund these changes, but the 'inline' ads are a step too far.

All IMHO, natch. :)

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The simple fact is - the ads are now way too intrusive and slow the site down.

The simple answer is to go elsewhere.

But this site has a grip on people. I am close to losing interest again though.

It does not cost much to run and host a site like this. Buttons in fact.

Ads at the top are fine - almost expected. The ads down the side are a bloody pain because you can't scroll the page down while they are loading.

The ads within each thread are just a piss take and will be universally ignored.

Instead of creating goodwill, you have created bad feeling and whereas I used to click on the odd ad that caught my eye, now I don't on a point of principle.

Take the ones out of the threads, and remove the ones on the right, and I'll click on the ones at the top when they interest me.

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Stick as many ads at the top and bottom as you like. I block them all anyway but please get rid of the ones that interfere with the forum inteface i.e. the righthand ad frame and the damn intrusive GOOGLE ADS every 2nd post on each page. All you are doing is annoying your target audience. I hope you see sense but somehow, now FUBRA is involved, I have the feeling your hands are tied, since you no longer have full control of the site.

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Thanks for taking the time to reply.

As one of the people who has complained about the ads, I reiterate that they are killing the site.

Even on a broadband connection, the number of ads take too long to load, are intrusive and over the top.

While I appreciate that running a site is not free, that really isn't the problem of the people who visit the site.

You originally set up what WAS a great site, FUBRA have bought it, commercialised it and are effectively destroying it, that must be heartbreaking for you as the original founder.

Whilst YOU had a great deal of loyal supporters who undoubtedly would have paid a small subscription to keep the site running, I doubt FUBRA will get the same response, they have succeeded in alienating far too many people in a very short time.

Unless things change and fast, HPC will wither and die, something many of us will regret, however the internet is huge and other sites do and will exist to replace it.

Please sort things out before it's too late.

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We've recently added some ad placements to the website including the forum so we thought we'd clarify the ad situation:

When the ownership of the site transferred to Fubra they were very up front in saying that they would be adding adverts to the site and this is what they have done although they didn't do this straight away after taking over the site.

Ads that will NOT be appearing on HPC:

  • Pop-ups

    Pop up ads open a small new browser window when you open a Web site.

  • Pop-unders

    Pop unders are new windows that open under your active window. You usually don't notice these until you close the active window.

  • Screen overlays

    Ads that overlay the screen and make you click on the Close X to close the ad.

Websites aren't free to run, especially ones with high traffic like HPC. In return for giving you a free facility to post your comments on the housing market we place ads on the pages to pay for the hosting and development of the website.

Many other websites offer a paid for subscription service that allows users to user the website ad-free. This is something that we are considering as an option as several of you have contacted us to say that you would like to do this.

I don't mind ads to support the site, but the ads masquerading as posts in the forum are intrusive and annoying. They break the flow of the thread on every page and feel a bit deceptive - almost like spam.

It would be like going to a pub and having an advertiser throwing things into your conversation. No one minds the ads at the bar, on the walls of the pub, on the TV screen, in the toilet, etc. but you don't want an advertiser directly intruding on your conversation.

The web might be different to the real world in many ways, but there are some rules of acceptable behaviour that still translate reasonably well.

EDIT: or let's take a google analogy, since they're providing the ads. How popular do you think Gmail would be if it popped advertising "emails" into your email threads? Oh no - hang on - that would be called spam - for a very good reason!

Edited by AFineMess

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On a few other forums where they have ads, they are posted at the bottom page of the topic, I do find it intrusive and it does rather spoil my enjoyment of the site,

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I only really come to this website for the forum, and if it gets too bad I will not bother, Although my first step has been to use the remote it permenantly plugin for firefox. Which does a wonderful job of removing the google post (back to normal for me) and I removed the rest of the ads while I was at it. (The right hand side is now blank though :( can't seem to get the post to streach accross)

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The ads that appear in the forum posts are beyond annoying. They're insulting.

Like Marina, I'm thinking of leaving this site. There are other forums out there, and if enough people gravitate to another one, this one will lose its draw.

I can't say this strongly enough: Remove those internal ads.

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This website is great, it contains very good news and information about the housing and other markets.

Recently though it has become too slow to the extent that it is unbearable to use at times. This website is the slowest that I visit and to freezes my computer all the time.

Please sort it out.

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"In return for giving you a free facility to post your comments on the housing market we place ads on the pages to pay for the hosting and development of the website"

TRANSLATION:

Dear Forum Poster: Thank you for providing free quality content on our website. We shall be making money from other people reading what you have written.

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Fair play to the Webmaster for at least responding to people's comlpaints.

The no pop-ups etc policy is good IMO, but I too find that the

embedded posts are intrusive and annoying.

I can handle the sidebar ads, and accept the need to cover costs,

but , as others have pointed out, it _is_ the posters here that make the site,

and cause people to visit in ever increasing numbers.

I fear that the enjoyment of reading the site has been tainted, and worry

that some of the quality posters may be driven away.

So whilst it is good that we have high traffic, and that you want to

harness it to cover costs, but let's not kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

JMHO

ABB

Edited by AgeingBabyBoomer

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It does not cost much to run and host a site like this. Buttons in fact.

While I agree with everything else you've said (snipped), I have to take issue with this one. It really rather depends on your definition of buttons. We host and run several sites which have similar traffic to this one, and I can tell you that hosting and data transfer alone comes to significantly more than buttons - and that's before you take into account the time taken to change/update the site.

A decent server (and I stress decent) in a good data centre will cost you ~£2k/year to start.

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I don't particularly like ads but I accept they are a necessary evil - but on the other hand I visit around 5 different forum sites a day (2 or 3 of them with much much higher traffic than this one) and they manage to fund themselves with the standard banner in the top right. I don't know why HPC needs to have 4 advertising spaces but if it's needed then fair play.

The inline ads however are the devils spawn and taking the piss. It's like being in a bar where instead of the beer mats lying on the table - the landlord is constantly interrupting your conversation by picking them and shoving them 2 inches from your nose and saying have you seen this?

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Websites aren't free to run, especially ones with high traffic like HPC. In return for giving you a free facility to post your comments on the housing market we place ads on the pages to pay for the hosting and development of the website.

Many other websites offer a paid for subscription service that allows users to user the website ad-free. This is something that we are considering as an option as several of you have contacted us to say that you would like to do this.

What a joke, without us you wouldn't have a site, we post all your content and your scripts simply append a plethora of adverts so you can make money out of other peoples' time and effort.

I suggest you start a subscription site, I'd truly like to see the number of absolute fools we have hanging around on here.

Maybe if I gave you £50 you'd also be kind enough to eat my diner and punch me on my nose?

You originally set up what WAS a great site, FUBRA have bought it, commercialised it and are effectively destroying it, that must be heartbreaking for you as the original founder.

I'm sure the concept of "revenue share" more than makes up for his heart ache.

It's very clever how they attach a forum to these advert sites!

Edited by BuyingBear

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This is why we don't feel the need to continually put flashing adverts up on the screen when you simply want to use our site specifically for what you have visited it for. We do of course mention our other sites in order to earn some money for all our hard work but we would never expect to earn any money if we didn't offer the best products and web sites, so it's always our goal to keep these high standards up.

yes what response can fubra really give to this?

Its like when an political party make a manifesto promise, and then once elected, just decide not to keep their word.

And then everyone thinks - 'what a bunch of liars'

Bet they wish they could simply go back in time, and change their manifesto, like fubra.

Thats lower than low.

Its one thing breaking your word, but to go back and doctor your original promise makes you somewhat lower than labour spin doctors, estate agents, even john f*cking prescott.

Feel free to bar & unregister me.

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This is another example of GREED!!!

They introduce ads which I have no problem with. Bandwidth COSTS money!!!

But it is apparent that ALL the main posters are moving out! The ads in the posts are taking the f**kin piss!!

You have a choice.... remove the post ads (which are apparently an infringement of the Google ads TOS) or this site will be dead in a month!!!

GREED always ends up in tears....

This site was fantastic, FUBRA have improved it and then DESTROYED IT. Feel free to ban me!

TB

Edited by teddyboy

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The simple fact is - the ads are now way too intrusive and slow the site down.

The simple answer is to go elsewhere.

But this site has a grip on people. I am close to losing interest again though.

Amen, Marina. Have come to this section for a second time to express my disgruntlement. I don't particularly mind the google ads - who cares - but when you can't scroll past them quickly because of the wretched side ads it's just too much hassle. The annoying slowness has reduced the frequency of my visits to the site (not that I'm suggesting that that's a loss to anyone but me!) and I'd move in a heartbeat if some of the peeps from here went elsewhere. Has global been taken over, too? Anyone?

Maybe if I gave you £50 you'd also be kind enough to eat my diner and punch me on my nose?

You know you're really going to have to change your avatar if you're going to make cracks like that - too many takers! :D

But it is apparent that ALL the main posters are moving out! The ads in the posts are taking the f**kin piss!!

Where are they going, TB, do you know? Serious question. Want to know.

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I visit lots of forums daily and they have loads more adverts than this one. Its a shame.

Are you seriously telling me that now most of the averts have been taken off the site that there are too many? I might have to start listing other popular forums with links so that you can see the extent advertising on these.

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