Jump to content
House Price Crash Forum
Realistbear

Smiling Immigration Minister May Consider Amnesty

Recommended Posts

Italics mine!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5076546.stm

Last Updated: Wednesday, 14 June 2006, 08:12 GMT 09:12 UK

Migrant amnesty 'not ruled out'

Could an amnesty replace efforts to remove illegal migrants?

Immigration Minister Liam Byrne says it is "too early to tell" whether to hold an amnesty for illegal immigrants.
"You have to understand the the decision is not mine to make. It is Mr. Brown's and I have not yet received his full instructions."
Mr Byrne told MPs he had asked officials for a report about the issues surrounding a possible amnesty.
"Hopefully, the report will contain the usual "Yes Minister" obfuscation and conclude whatever we want it to conclude."
There is no official estimate of illegal immigrant numbers. Unofficial estimates vary from 310,000 to 870,000.
"To be honest, we have no idea how many illegals there might be. What I can tell you is that there will be as many as Gordon thinks we need to ensure his ascendancy to the premiership."
The Home Office says there are no plans for an amnesty. Shadow home secretary David Davis said speculating about an amnesty was "highly irresponsible".
"But, I will say this about that, whilst there are no plans for an amnesty the matter is under consideration."
Mr Byrne told the Commons home affairs select Committee: "The position I'm in is really needing to understand in more detail than I do at the moment the precise segmentation of people whose positions have not been regularised."
"What I really mean is this: until I have been given the go ahead by Mr. Brown we will try to keep this whole issue out of the public view until we can generate a plan to proceed."
He said he would wait for a report before making any decisions on an amnesty.
"The report, if there is going to be one, could take a week, a month, a year--whatever is politically expedient and certainly not before an election as the recent BNP support does show a shift in sentiment toward less people coming to the UK."

Just what we need with a housing shortage, falling employment, anti-immigrant sentiment to stir up and a looming recession as HPI-MEW fades.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes we the working public have been shafted again

Did gov ask us if we should grant these illegal immigrants a licence to stay longer and claim a pension when we have worked and paid into the system all our working lives.

Want to know who the mr big's are for the human trafficking trade then look no further then the scum running the country.

It will soon be just like France with riots every other week, as not reported by the Blair Broadcasting Company

What right have our MP's got to do this without asking the man in the street :angry:

Edited by Justice

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes we the working public have been shafted again

Did gov ask us if we should grant these illegal immigrants a licence to stay longer and claim a pension when we have worked and paid into the system all our working lives.

Want to know who the mr big's are for the human trafficking trade then look no further then the scum running the country.

It will soon be just like France with riots every other week, as not reported by the Blair Broadcasting Company

What right have our MP's got to do this without asking the man in the street :angry:

No right.

If these people are "illegal" they are breaking the law. I think a private citizen has a right to enforce the law by bringing an injunction forcing the government to act--a writ of mandamus in the High Court.

Only Parlimanent has the right to change the law and it seems that a change in the law is the only legal way to allow criminals to be pardoned.

The Home Office has been lawless for quite awhile and they are still out of control even though Mr Clark has been fired.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No right.

If these people are "illegal" they are breaking the law. I think a private citizen has a right to enforce the law by bringing an injunction forcing the government to act--a writ of mandamus in the High Court.

Only Parlimanent has the right to change the law and it seems that a change in the law is the only legal way to allow criminals to be pardoned.

The Home Office has been lawless for quite awhile and they are still out of control even though Mr Clark has been fired.

But you can't kick out people who should not be here-it's racist! ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But you can't kick out people who should not be here-it's racist! ;)

OK so the UK unemployment is 1.6m (probably a lot more)

Illegal immigrants are 800,000....

surely the government must look at htese figures and understand we are entering a recession and we have too mnay people and not enough jobs....

if we kicked all the illegals out, unemployment would be only 800,000..

i would hate to guess how must money they could save...maybe even get a rebate on our taxes cause they will save so much :lol:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

OK so the UK unemployment is 1.6m (probably a lot more)

Illegal immigrants are 800,000....

surely the government must look at htese figures and understand we are entering a recession and we have too mnay people and not enough jobs....

if we kicked all the illegals out, unemployment would be only 800,000..

i would hate to guess how must money they could save...maybe even get a rebate on our taxes cause they will save so much :lol:

If all illegal immigrants were removed their jobs would become vacant immediately, pushing up wage inflation, pushing up CPI, forcing a rise in IR. Goodbye housing boom, goodbye Nulabour.

They need the illegals to suppress wage inflation and keep the miracle economy afloat.

Economies also NEED unemployed people - they increase the pool of labour available for jobs, keeping a lid on wage demands. I know you would like to think that solving unemployment is simple, but it isn't.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So lets get this right, if I get stopped by the police and one of the tyres on my car has the tread less than 1mm in just one place I can get a £2000 fine but if I’ here as an illegal immigrant and the police stop me I get warmth, food and shelter plus a social work and legal aid so the justice system get a piece of the cake. Some thing does not seem right here.

Gov says it wants us to have ID cards to stop immigrants flooding in and yet they will not secure our borders. It’s all part of the NWO planning to make us all slaves, time we pushed back if you ask me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If all illegal immigrants were removed their jobs would become vacant immediately, pushing up wage inflation, pushing up CPI, forcing a rise in IR. Goodbye housing boom, goodbye Nulabour.

They need the illegals to suppress wage inflation and keep the miracle economy afloat.

Economies also NEED unemployed people - they increase the pool of labour available for jobs, keeping a lid on wage demands. I know you would like to think that solving unemployment is simple, but it isn't.

hmmm i dont quite think so.....

If the illegals can support themselves then thats fine with me....all you do is cut the benefits til they go to work..why am i supporting people because i decided to go to school, uni and work hard...dont think so..

We do pay them a sheete loads of benefits just now but these high levels cannot remain forever as starting to hit everyones pockets!

and with my calculations, still means 800,000 people unemployed....only 1/60 of the total uk population. of the 22 million people who work, means 1/22 people out of work. i think that myself is quite high!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
of the 22 million people who work, means 1/22 people out of work. i think that myself is quite high!!

But add in the millions on 'incapacity benefit' and the millions of worthless government employees and you'll see a very different picture.

If all illegal immigrants were removed their jobs would become vacant immediately, pushing up wage inflation

Why? Brown could sack a million or two government employees to maintain unemployment, helping to balance the books, reducing pension liabilities and reducing the burden on the productive members of society.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

and with my calculations, still means 800,000 people unemployed....only 1/60 of the total uk population. of the 22 million people who work, means 1/22 people out of work. i think that myself is quite high!!

Nah the govt was giving out NI numbers to anyone who asked and then giving tax credits to anyone with a NI number.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Two points come to mind:

1) Illegal immigrants are not registered with doctors and dentists. Thus, if huge numbers instantly become legal they will naturally register with these health professionals and the same number of doctors and dentist will have to service hundreds of thousands of extra souls. But really it is better if people who work here and live here have proper health care.

2) Legal immigrants have to pay significant application processing fees to settle in the UK. It is not right that people who emigrate to this nation legally should have to pay and those who do it illegally do not. If illegal immigrants have to pay immigration processing fees to become legal many will not and will stay illegal. If they do not have to pay fees it is not fair on legal immigrants and will only encourage legal immigrants such as foreign-born spouses to become illegal immigrants.

Edited by Padiham

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The simple answer to illegal immigration is to have a real deterrent to illegal immigration - a holding/processing area in which illegals are held for many months while claims are processed, instead of being let loose regardless in the community. This is used sucessfully in Australia, it does two things

(1) It greatly deters massive illegal immigration, as the price of spending months in a processing centre only to be sent back when found illegal is too severe. Criminals etc... are filtered out. The crimnal element is rendered useless, as who who pay to be smuggled into the UK by criminal networks only to find you have to spend a long time in a processing centre?

(2) It renders help for genunue refugees, victims of forced prostitution etc..who do not mind waiting for full processing.

At present there is no price/penality paid for illegally coming into the UK and claiming asylum. Austraila uses this system sucessfully, it borders a high population region with a vastly difference culture and lower living standards (China/Asia/indonesia) - Yet illegal immigration into Australia is is a very small problem.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1662824.htm

Australia would have illegal immigraiton in the hundreds of thousands per year, without putting in the offshore processing system and holding areas for processing, instead they have a few dozen!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
If they do not have to pay fees it is not fair on legal immigrants and will only encourage legal immigrants such as foreign-born spouses to become illegal immigrants.

Indeed: one of the biggest problems with 'amnesties' is that the way that they punish legal immigrants who jump through the hoops the government put in their way, while rewarding criminals. Why should anyone bother with the hassle of immigrating legally if they can just come here illegally and wait for the next amnesty?

If the Home Office can't enforce our immigration laws then they should be sacked and replaced with people who can, rather than hand out rewards to people who've deliberately and blatantly broken those laws.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

2) Legal immigrants have to pay significant application processing fees to settle in the UK. It is not right that people who emigrate to this nation legally should have to pay and those who do it illegally do not. If illegal immigrants have to pay immigration processing fees to become legal many will not and will stay illegal. If they do not have to pay fees it is not fair on legal immigrants and will only encourage legal immigrants such as foreign-born spouses to become illegal immigrants.

Very good point. I have spent well over £1000 on the visa process for my wife. Now are they going to tell me that if she had stayed here illegally she could have got the same rights for free? I want my money back!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It’s all part of the NWO planning to make us all slaves, time we pushed back if you ask me.

Ok tough guy, get at 'em. See you on the barricades (note that's barricades plural - no apostrophe).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Very good point. I have spent well over £1000 on the visa process for my wife. Now are they going to tell me that if she had stayed here illegally she could have got the same rights for free? I want my money back!

Mark Steyn is always banging on about this at the moment. He's a Canadian in the states protesting about the amnesty for the Mexicans.

Some immigration is definitely good - not only have we got the Falklands, we've also got El Pirata. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

See Migration Watch's analysis...

Link

The point for me is that (aside from the principle that you don't reward criminals for their actions) they simply don't work.

Italy has conducted five and Spain six amnesties with the following results:

Italy

1987/88 1990 1996 1998 2002

119,000 235,000 259,000 308,000 700,000

Spain

1985/86 1991 1996 2000 2001 2005

44,000 135,000 21,000 127,000 314,000 700,000

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Exactly. Every 'amnesty' simply encourages more people to move here illegally in the hope that there'll be another one... rewarding crime just creates more criminals.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Apparently David Blunkett mentioned ID cards in an interview on the Radio 4 today. He said that it would be impossible to have an amnesty for illegal immigrants without ID cards.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gee, why am I not surprised that this would be used as yet another excuse for ID cards?

Finding illegal immigrants is not hard: the problem is that the government can't even manage to deport them when they're found.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Its so simple - we have an amnesty

When they turn up to a nice looking building, take them through the back door, onto the airstrip, slap on a parachute and drop them off over their country and then charge their country for returning them!!

The old trick of giving something for free to entice them out!!

MacIntyre undercover did the same to wanted criminals - sent thema letter saying they had won £100 and to come and collect - when they did they were arrested...

do the same to illegals - i reckon i could round them up in a year!!

2nd rouse - get a big truck, drive to places where you know illegals hang out waiting for gangmasters, say you need 20 illegals for £100 eacha day. when they get in truck, cage them up and dispose of them.

3rdly - should be a death penalty for any illegal immigrant caught in UK. See them run then!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Very good point. I have spent well over £1000 on the visa process for my wife. Now are they going to tell me that if she had stayed here illegally she could have got the same rights for free? I want my money back!

I am a British born citizen married to a US citizen. I got shaken down for 400 pounds by the Home Office for a visa for my wife to stay indefinitely. They tried to refuse the visa on the grounds that she should have applied for one in the US before coming to the UK. I was within days of going to the High Court to force the government to issue the Visa as the Home Office's own forms provide for in-country applications. The point is that the Human Rights Convention as incorporated into UK Law provides for the right of a spouse of a UK citizen to remain with their husband/wife unless the spouse presents a danger to national security.

The Home Office were wrong in law to refuse the Visa but it goes to show what a disaster that department of government is. I even referred them to 2 recent House of Lords decisons on the point which were initially ignored. I believe they refused my wife's visa because we happened to apply to an office where a person of a certain religious persuasion handled the application and who was not kindly pre-disposed toward Americans. After that little trick they learned that hell hath no fury like a litigation lawyer scorned!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Guy_Montag

The simple answer to illegal immigration is to have a real deterrent to illegal immigration - a holding/processing area in which illegals are held for many months while claims are processed, instead of being let loose regardless in the community. This is used sucessfully in Australia, it does two things

(1) It greatly deters massive illegal immigration, as the price of spending months in a processing centre only to be sent back when found illegal is too severe. Criminals etc... are filtered out. The crimnal element is rendered useless, as who who pay to be smuggled into the UK by criminal networks only to find you have to spend a long time in a processing centre?

(2) It renders help for genunue refugees, victims of forced prostitution etc..who do not mind waiting for full processing.

At present there is no price/penality paid for illegally coming into the UK and claiming asylum. Austraila uses this system sucessfully, it borders a high population region with a vastly difference culture and lower living standards (China/Asia/indonesia) - Yet illegal immigration into Australia is is a very small problem.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1662824.htm

Australia would have illegal immigraiton in the hundreds of thousands per year, without putting in the offshore processing system and holding areas for processing, instead they have a few dozen!

I agree, I think all assylum seekers should be housed in camps where their social, health & educational needs can be addressed while they await processing. Those that succeed can then be distributed round the country & those that fail can be escorted onto planes to their country of origin.

Edited to add, though I tend to be a bit of a lefty; I feel that this is better for everyone, for the refugees it gives them an opportunity to learn about our society & begin learning our language, to receive any medical attention required & that sort of thing. F

Edited by Guy_Montag

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Edited to add, though I tend to be a bit of a lefty; I feel that this is better for everyone, for the refugees it gives them an opportunity to learn about our society & begin learning our language, to receive any medical attention required & that sort of thing.

Well that's right, even the genuine left in this country can appreciate this. It's the touchy-feely leftie-liberalsm, the PC brigade who think that decent processing is almost akin to Nazi deathcamps.

If you are genuine asylum seeker then you're not actually in a fit state to be setting up a new life in the UK. If you don't actually know that you'll be able to stay indefinitely, then you won't be able to engage with services etc properly, it's just a waste of time.

I really wish politicians would show some back bone on these issues. Everyone I speak to is tired of all the crap being peddled by wishy-washy lobby.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • 301 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


      • down 5% +
      • down 2.5%
      • Even
      • up 2.5%
      • up 5%



×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.