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mods: you might consider this to be a little off-topic. If so, I promise not to spam the board with posts about a communist conspiracy to censor free speech.

at the weekend, I took my car for it's annual service (yes, I am a hypocrite, I do own such a vessel) and was informed by the garage that it required new front brake discs and pads, the back bit of the exhaust, and possibly the middle bit too. British engineering :rolleyes:

This was at the dealership garage. Total projected cost: £400+

This evening I intend to pop over the road and have a word with the local Polish mechanics operating out of a metal shack there. How much do you reckon they will quote me?

Nearest guess wins a complimentary "lebensraum" beermat at the forum meet next month (subject to availability).

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Probably a lot less. But when the cigarette packets they've used as brake pads see you hurtling into a wall I doubt they'll still be there to sue.

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Probably a lot less. But when the cigarette packets they've used as brake pads see you hurtling into a wall I doubt they'll still be there to sue.

just getting quotes for now, that's all.

But it has to be said that people I know who have employed Polish workmanship (plumbers, builders, sparkies whatever) have nothing but good things to say about them.

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mods: you might consider this to be a little off-topic. If so, I promise not to spam the board with posts about a communist conspiracy to censor free speech.

at the weekend, I took my car for it's annual service (yes, I am a hypocrite, I do own such a vessel) and was informed by the garage that it required new front brake discs and pads, the back bit of the exhaust, and possibly the middle bit too. British engineering :rolleyes:

This was at the dealership garage. Total projected cost: £400+

This evening I intend to pop over the road and have a word with the local Polish mechanics operating out of a metal shack there. How much do you reckon they will quote me?

Nearest guess wins a complimentary "lebensraum" beermat at the forum meet next month (subject to availability).

Depends on the car, but I would say that this year's main dealer scam is "it needs new discs and pads" (I have had that one three times in the last 6 months from Ford, VW and Porsche).

If it needs front and rear discs and pads, then using Original equipment or proper branded replacements (NEVER skimp on quality on brakes), then it's about £40-50 per set of ventilated discs from motor factors and then about £40 for a pair of solid discs and about £80 for two sets of pads (i.e. all 4).

Labour is about an hour and a half to change on most cars, though they will tell you nearer 3 hours. I guess they will come in at about £200 using el cheapo parts and about £250 for the OEM quality ones. You can but that to about £120 (Turkish pressed leaves for brake pads) - 150-170 (OEM) if you go Polish independent Exhausts are odd, they can be £50 for a full one to £300 for a centre box (as some big Peugeot owners will tell you) - but I guess about £80 for both bits dependent on car, bear in mind if they have no lift it's a messy bugger to fit..... but if they do, it's about 20 minutes work.....

[note, if it's a Ford, then I expect them to be cheaper than that]

[TBH, for a main stealer, that's not exorbitant in comparison to what they usually charge if it's got discs on all four]

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£45 for the pads, discs'll manage another year yet. 2 Tins of soup and some paste for the exhaust - call it a 10er. £20 to fit it all. Call it £70.

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Depends on the car, but I would say that this year's main dealer scam is "it needs new discs and pads" (I have had that one three times in the last 6 months from Ford, VW and Porsche).

If it needs front and rear discs and pads, then using Original equipment or proper branded replacements (NEVER skimp on quality on brakes), then it's about £40-50 per set of ventilated discs from motor factors and then about £40 for a pair of solid discs and about £80 for two sets of pads (i.e. all 4).

Labour is about an hour and a half to change on most cars, though they will tell you nearer 3 hours. I guess they will come in at about £200 using el cheapo parts and about £250 for the OEM quality ones. You can but that to about £120 (Turkish pressed leaves for brake pads) - 150-170 (OEM) if you go Polish independent Exhausts are odd, they can be £50 for a full one to £300 for a centre box (as some big Peugeot owners will tell you) - but I guess about £80 for both bits dependent on car, bear in mind if they have no lift it's a messy bugger to fit..... but if they do, it's about 20 minutes work.....

[note, if it's a Ford, then I expect them to be cheaper than that]

[TBH, for a main stealer, that's not exorbitant in comparison to what they usually charge if it's got discs on all four]

thanks Rachman, that's actually tremendously helpful. It's a 3yr old MG, hence my rueful remark about buying British!

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thanks Rachman, that's actually tremendously helpful. It's a 3yr old MG, hence my rueful remark about buying British!

Depends which one, ZR, ZS, ZT or TF.

Assuming it's the Honda based ones and it's not a ZT V8, then it's not going to be that expensive if you look at them

http://www.justpartsbiz.com/index.asp?func...&productid=1553

Less than £60 for set of discs and pads for ZR delivered - add £50 to fit them, ZS ain't much more

Oh and main dealer is pointless, there are not any..... so the warranty's only dealer backed - far better to save the money and go to independent.... - they are easy to fit on these too....

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thanks Rachman, that's actually tremendously helpful. It's a 3yr old MG, hence my rueful remark about buying British!

Discs knackered in 3 years? :blink:

Are you a racing driver in your spare time?

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Best way to go with an MG is to find a good indepent MG/ Rover specialist. These cars can be quite "fragile" -for want of a better word.

As for Polish mechanics, I have delt with some and some Romanians too. If you dont mind checking everything they have done yourself then thats OK. However if you are not a mechanic yourself then I wouldn't risk it. It may well cost you more in the long run and at the very least you will probably have to go back when it is not done right.

Also a friend had his £10K Golf GIT stolen from such a place. -They left it with the keys in and someone just walked in and drove off in it while no one was looking. He is still £10K down and fighting the insurance.

They have usually no insurance and very little security at their sheds and are an easy target for a thief Not worth the risk to save a few £.

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good range of opinions here!

<attempts to justify blatant self-interest in thread>

which I think shows how attitudes to immigration vary from embracing its benefits (reducing cost base) to an ingrained suspicion (you get what you pay for)

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good range of opinions here!

<attempts to justify blatant self-interest in thread>

which I think shows how attitudes to immigration vary from embracing its benefits (reducing cost base) to an ingrained suspicion (you get what you pay for)

Well, come on man; spill the beans... How much were you quoted?

(Oh, and my guess is GBP100)

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Well, come on man; spill the beans... How much were you quoted?

(Oh, and my guess is GBP100)

I'll be visiting them after work this evening. It is a 60 second walk from my house, so there is also the benefit of convenience!

Keep 'em coming folks. I'm swaying from trepidation to conviction like a feather in a hurricane here.

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Friend of mine had his discs and pads done by a Polish 'mechanic'. Later, when his brakes failed on the motorway, he asked me to inspect them. I could not believe what this 'mechanic' had done. The discs fitted were an inch too small in diameter, had the wrong off-set so they were not running in the middle of the caliper and were not vented as the originals. Only half the pad was in contact with the disc and one of the pads was almost falling out of the caliper. Which is what happened after a few days of driving on brakes with only half efficiency; Yes, one of the pads fell out of the caliper. The pedal went soft so my friend kept pumping it until he got some of the brakes back. What he actually got was the caliper acting as a brake pad, metal on metal!

I can't find the words to describe the incompetence of the fitter. Surely he must have notice that the discs he was fitting were nothing like the originals. Or maybe he didn't care?

Oh, he paid £20 labour!

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Or maybe he didn't care?

Why would he? If he's working from a shack at the side of the road, he'll probably be gone by the time you go back to complain.

This is one reason why I continue to use the same garage I've been using for the best part of a decade: I know they do a decent job, I know they won't rip me off by telling me my car needs work it doesn't need, and I know I can walk down the road and complain if my brakes fall apart... they're not going to disappear any time soon, in fact they've been expanding in the last few years.

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This is one reason why I continue to use the same garage I've been using for the best part of a decade: I know they do a decent job, I know they won't rip me off by telling me my car needs work it doesn't need, and I know I can walk down the road and complain if my brakes fall apart... they're not going to disappear any time soon, in fact they've been expanding in the last few years.

all very valid stuff - but I am the epitome of the modern wage-slave commitmentphobic renting gippo. People often don't stay in one place long enough to build up relationships with local artisans. Such communities are being undermined by the power of "choice" (i.e. Tesco in Hackney or Tesco in Homerton? Call centre in Rhyl or call centre in Worthing?)

of course that's a whole different argument. Maybe I should change my name to Tangentpants.

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Just cost me £55 for set of pads and £40 to fit for a Kia Sedona. Pads bought from wholesaler and fitted by Yeadon Tyres, local independent fitter in north Leeds (but you've moved now?). Main dealer wanted £145. Bought tyres from www.etyres.com who not only were 25% cheaper than any kwikfit style outlet but came to my car and fitted tyres while I watched out of my window at work. My guess is Polish guys will charge you between £100 and £150. If in Leeds would recommend Wright & Shields garage in Bramley - very honest in all my dealings with them over last 7 years.

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Discs knackered in 3 years? :blink:

Are you a racing driver in your spare time?

Must be! my car is seven years old and still on the original disks, pads, exhaust.

Seriously though...

Polish guys will be cheaper but will the parts be genuine? If not there may be no cover if they are defective. Also, if sub-standard parts are used it may well show up at next MOT and then they'll have to be replaced with the proper bits.

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Must be! my car is seven years old and still on the original disks, pads, exhaust.

My car's the same age and the brakes just got overhauled at the MoT... but I'd expected that as the disks were looking a bit worn and the drums at the back were making the odd weird noise under heavy braking.

Also, if sub-standard parts are used it may well show up at next MOT and then they'll have to be replaced with the proper bits.

Still, you can always take it to the nearest Polish MoT station. Or the chav MoT station: fifty quid in cash and I'm sure it will pass even if only one brake works and the wheels are falling off.

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Have you built in all the hidden costs though. The cost of providing health, education, wear and tear of the roads and other public places for millions more people. Pollution created by more people. Increases in crime with more people. Probably a large rise in everybodies tax to pay for the extra public services. I reckon the hidden costs are £5000 a year for you, plus maybe £100,000 on the cost of buying a house. I would do it yourself.

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Why not do it yourself?

It's soooooooooooo easy FFS!

Yeah, I'm a girly girl and even I changed an alternator once FFS. :rolleyes:

Just cost me £55 for set of pads and £40 to fit for a Kia Sedona. Pads bought from wholesaler and fitted by Yeadon Tyres, local independent fitter in north Leeds (but you've moved now?). Main dealer wanted £145. Bought tyres from www.etyres.com who not only were 25% cheaper than any kwikfit style outlet but came to my car and fitted tyres while I watched out of my window at work. My guess is Polish guys will charge you between £100 and £150. If in Leeds would recommend Wright & Shields garage in Bramley - very honest in all my dealings with them over last 7 years.

Do you need a room to rent? ;)

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