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More than 230 terror suspects free to stay in Britain

David Leppard

MORE than 230 foreigners identified by MI5 and Scotland Yard as suspected terrorists have been allowed to stay in Britain as asylum seekers.

Home Office records show that nearly a quarter of the 963 people arrested in counter-terrorism operations in England and Wales since September 2001 have claimed refugee status, saying their human rights would be violated if they returned to countries such as Algeria, Iraq and Somalia.

While their applications are processed, all are entitled to state benefits such as free housing and legal aid to pursue their claims that they would be persecuted in their home countries.

Critics say the figures make a mockery of a much trumpeted announcement by Tony Blair after last July’s London bombings that the government would automatically refuse asylum to anyone engaged in terrorism.

The disclosure will increase pressure on John Reid, the home secretary, who already faces claims that he misled the public over the affair of five Nigerians who were arrested last week working as illegal immigrants at the Home Office.

Reid boasted that the arrests showed that the system for detecting illegal migrants worked. But the company that employed them later revealed that the men had been working at the department for years.

With Reid due to be grilled by a Commons committee over the immigration debacles, the figures on terrorist suspects have reignited the debate over Britain’s “porous borders”.

Patrick Mercer, the Tory spokesman for homeland security, said terrorists were being wrongly led to believe that they could take advantage of Britain’s lax border controls.

The Tories want a US-style national border police to stop dangerous terrorists and criminals from entering the country.

Baroness Cox, a former deputy speaker of the Lords who has been pressing ministers to disclose the statistics, said that allowing so many terror suspects to seek asylum sent the wrong message.

“This is quite a signifiant group of people who could be a threat to society,” she said. “It shows a remarkable lack of due care and vigilance by the government.”

Sir Andrew Green, the former British ambassador to Saudi Arabia and chairman of MigrationWatch UK, an independent think tank, said: “This is clear evidence of the abuse of the asylum system by potential terrorists. We have long urged that we need a much tougher and more realistic approach to applications from countries we know to be potential sources of terrorism.”

Latest Home Office figures show that of the 963 people detained under Britain’s terrorism laws between September 2001 and November 2005, 232 were identified in the department’s records as having applied for asylum, 214 of them before being arrested.

Scotland Yard said an additional 34 people had been arrested as suspected terrorists in the period to March this year, bringing the total number to 997. If one in four has also claimed asylum, that would bring the total of asylum seeking terror suspects to about 240.

The Home Office says most of those arrested are never brought to court. More than half are released without charge while dozens more are charged under other laws with crimes such as murder, grievous bodily harm or the use of firearms.

Several men charged in an alleged plot to target Britain with the deadly poison ricin were asylum seekers. Among them was Algerian-born Kamel Bourgass, the ringleader. He was sentenced to life imprisonment last year for the murder of Stephen Oake, a Manchester special branch officer.

Abu Qatada, a radical Muslim cleric said to be Al-Qaeda’s “ambassador in Europe”, came to Britain as an asylum seeker from Pakistan in 1993. The Home Office is trying to deport him to Jordan, the place of his birth, claiming that his presence is “not conducive to the public good”. It has also emerged that two men charged over the July 21 attacks on London had come to Britain as dependents of asylum seekers from Somalia and Eritrea.

Lord Goldsmith, the attorney-general, said yesterday that he would ask the European Court of Human Rights to review its absolute bar on deporting people to countries where they could face death or torture. Goldsmith said the government wanted to be able to take into account British security considerations.

Experts warned that article 3 of the human rights convention, which is enshrined in the government’s human rights act, meant that it was almost impossible to remove people from Britain even if they were terrorists. “Tony Blair has quite deliberately misled the public in suggesting that we could just remove people suspected or found guilty of terrorism,” said Green.

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Laurjon,

I know you are a massive TORY fan, unlike myself, butI do find that the posts on here about the Labour sleaze are not being taken seriously because it looks like TORY tit-for-tat.

This post is another MASSIVE example of GROSS INCOMPETENCE by this government, here's another:-

UK budget has shock April surplus

UK Chancellor Gordon Brown

Gordon Brown says the UK's finances are in order

The UK has posted a surprise budget surplus for the public sector in April.

....... High levels of borrowing may force the government to take unpopular measures, either scaling back on spending plans or raising taxes, as it attempts to keep its finances under control, analysts said.

Can see where this is going? For a start, why the f*ck has it come as a surprise that there is a surplus? They should know where every penny is going. I'll tell why it was a surprise will I - Coz its all LIES. As the last line says, either cut back on spending or raise taxes. We know the "INDEPENDENT" MPC are going to raise taxes so how can we stop them? I know, STOP!!! We have saved more money - DONT CUT INTEREST RATES or Im phucked!!!

The LIES, SLEAZE and CORRUPTION of this government make COMMUNISM look favourable. I'm ashamed to be BRITISH!

TB

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I have to say I am not a Tory Fan, but for sure they appear the best option.

If they were in power and had done this, I would be equally cutting. I am disgusted with what has gone on, the fact we had no opposition to stop this, and the fact that people have just sat back and ignored what is going on simple because they are making 35k on their house per annum.

I said some time ago, that George Bush could invade France, have Tony Blair supporting him with our troops, and the public would not blink an eyelid for so long as they are making money in property inflation.

Nobody making 35k + per annum simply by house ownership is going to rock the boat.

It is infuriating to say the least, but I will plug away till it sinks in. Maybe people think I am some kind of psychic on here, or have inside information, but the fact is for me I could see all this several years ago.

Imagine this..................

You have a 17yr old son, he earns 12K per annum, he returns home in 3k of brand new clothes, he then arrives home in a Porsche Boxter, then announces he has just been promoted to senior fryer at McDonalds, you pat him on the back and congratulate him on his financial success. He then announces it has been funded by a 200k debt................secured on your house. Do you continue to congratulate him on his financial prowess, or do you shake him with your bare hands and despair at his stupidity, and reckless behaviour ?.

Now the above is exactly what Gordon has done to us, self back patting, putting it down to a miracle he discovered but its a secret, yet the stark reality its all borrowed money. We felt good, we were living the high life, but it was debt driven.

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I said some time ago, that George Bush could invade France, have Tony Blair supporting him with our troops, and the public would not blink an eyelid for so long as they are making money in property inflation.

laurejon, back in the early days of HPC I'm sure you used to be a real property bull. What made you go bear?

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Simply that the tanker known as the housing market is starting to make a turn.

My theorys have been correct, we did not have a crash and that is something that despite the huge criticism I continued to plug. Even today there is no crash.

But the foundations are there now, in a way they were not before.

I have always maintained that unless interest rates rise, we will never have a crash. Only a sniff of getting the rates up, and the world markets go into a tailspin.

Thats the reason, one simple confident summary, I now believe that the interest rates will at long last begin to rise, and not in quarter points, but in large significant jumps that are clearly designed not to be just a shot over the bows of the runaway ship, but a shot that will provide immediate and corrective action.

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Simply that the tanker known as the housing market is starting to make a turn.

My theorys have been correct, we did not have a crash and that is something that despite the huge criticism I continued to plug. Even today there is no crash.

But the foundations are there now, in a way they were not before.

I have always maintained that unless interest rates rise, we will never have a crash. Only a sniff of getting the rates up, and the world markets go into a tailspin.

Thats the reason, one simple confident summary, I now believe that the interest rates will at long last begin to rise, and not in quarter points, but in large significant jumps that are clearly designed not to be just a shot over the bows of the runaway ship, but a shot that will provide immediate and corrective action.

Hope your right mate! I just feel that this corrupt government will LIE and DECIEVE to stop the so-called MPC from rising rates. I think for the good of the country we need a quick spell of MASSIVE IR rises. There is not an election for a while. If GB does it now - it may start to recover by the time he goes into the next election.

TB

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The problem is they have flogged the Property Market, Debt Market to excess.

Most people are now wisened up to the idea that around the corner lurks Mr Interest Rates.

However the most people are not going to buy, the people today represent a minority of individuals who are blissfully unware that anything is going to happen.

Its a bit like arriving late to a party, on your arrival you see a few Taxis, and a few cars leaving, when you get to the front door, again you find people leaving, when you get to the Kitchen, you find someone has drunk all the beer, there is nothing left, it cost you 45 quid in a Taxi to get there, and its so late there are no Taxi's home, you are stranded, no drink and no women, and no way home.

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