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A Further 2,500 Foreign Prisoners Who Could Have Been Deported...

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IS THERE NO END TO THEIR INCOMPETENCE??

What Mr Clarke did not tell us he has allowed 2,500 foreign criminals to stay here

Ben Leapman / London Telegraph | April 30 2006

A further 2,500 foreign prisoners, who could have been deported from Britain after their release from jail, have been allowed to stay, the Home Office admitted last night.

Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, was fighting to keep his job as police and immigration officers hunted for 1,023 foreign offenders who had not been considered for deportation, after being allowed to slip through the immigration net.

As the scandal erupted last week, Mr Clarke tried to defend himself by pointing out that 3,000 foreign criminals have been deported successfully in the past two years. But it has emerged that, over the same period, almost as many have been officially assessed and allowed to remain in the country, despite meeting the criteria for deportation.

Last night, the Conservatives called on the Government to say whether the 2,500 offenders are dangerous, under supervision and whether any of them have committed further offences.

Some were recommended by the Immigration Service for deportation at the end of their sentences, only for the decision to be overturned on appeal. Others were not deemed sufficiently undesirable to expel. The Home Office would not say how many fell into each category.

But it was clear that all 2,500 met the basic criteria for deportation: they were released in 2004 or 2005 having served a sentence of at least two years for European Union nationals, or one year for non-EU nationals; or else were recommended for deportation by their trial judge.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said: "The Government must come clean. They must tell people, especially victims, whether those offenders are under supervision, whether any are dangerous, and of any subsequent involvement by them in criminal activity."

Decisions on whether foreign prisoners can stay in Britain are taken by the Immigration Service's criminal casework team. A Home Office spokesman said its decisions take into account the seriousness of the offence, the length of the individual's criminal record and the risk of re-offending. Questions were being raised over how many of the missing 1,023 criminals can ever be sent home, especially if they refuse to reveal their country of origin or raise legal objections to deportation on human rights grounds.

Desperate efforts are still being made by the Home Office to locate the 79 most serious offenders on the list. Mr Clarke claimed on Friday that "deportation or removal action has now been commenced in respect of 63", but his officials later admitted that not all 63 had been traced and many may have disappeared. Last night, the Home Office could not say how many had been detained.

Labour MPs have privately said that if any of the 288 offenders, freed after Mr Clarke was told of the non-deportation problem in August last year, have gone on to commit rape or murder, his position will become untenable.

Five of the 79 most serious offenders have been convicted of further crimes involving violence or drugs since their release. Three are currently behind bars, one of whom is serving a sentence for actual bodily harm and was also accused of rape following his initial release. There was not enough evidence to prosecute, but the charge remains on file.

Separately, another of the freed offenders is being investigated following a rape allegation. Last night the Home Office, which initially said he had been freed after August 2005, said in fact that he was actually freed earlier and was not among the 288 key offenders.

Mr Clarke is pressing for EU nationals convicted in Britain to serve their sentences in their home countries, while Britons convicted on the Continent would be sent to British jails. The proposal is understood to be backed by Austria, which holds the EU's rotating presidency.

Officials are also examining whether foreign prisoners can be considered automatically for deportation earlier in their sentences. Since the Home Office lost a test case in 2001, officials have been forced to delay consideration until prisoners are close to release, increasing the potential for error.

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I think we should give them a second chance

You know a free university degree to become a doctor, free council housing (we might as use one of them new build luxury apartments), and a free 0% for life loan of £20K to get them started, and allow all their freinds and family to come over for free, failing that, free flights to their home land once a year

(and thats for the home office workers)

nice one <_<

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The problem is that most will apply for asylum if threatened with deportation, and some smart arsed immigration lawer (usually tinged with a touch of the tar brush themselves) will make sure that they never leave.

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The problem is that most will apply for asylum if threatened with deportation, and some smart arsed immigration lawer (usually tinged with a touch of the tar brush themselves) will make sure that they never leave.

Yes all those pure arian lawyers are fine. 737 I suggest you go on editing your post until it isn't quite so overtly RACIST.

It's people like you who make anyone with concerns about immigration sound like a ranting racist

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Yes all those pure arian lawyers are fine. 737 I suggest you go on editing your post until it isn't quite so overtly RACIST.

It's people like you who make anyone with concerns about immigration sound like a ranting racist

My initial post was little changed (if you disagree maybe you could point out the change or is it something you've dreamt perhaps?) from the original and just as 'racist' or as I prefer to say , accurate, as the final post. The majority of prisoners threatened with deportation succesfully apply for asylum.

Also I stand by my point that many of the lawyers specialising in immigration matters unmistakably have 'a touch of the tar brush' themselves.

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I think UK is the most NON racist place in the world - what other country allows people to walk into it and dictate the rules....

Unfortunately some poeple with intelligence can see the harm this is causing

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Yes all those pure arian lawyers are fine. 737 I suggest you go on editing your post until it isn't quite so overtly RACIST.

It's people like you who make anyone with concerns about immigration sound like a ranting racist

How do you define "racist"? After all, its a recently invented concept, devised to quash any dissent to mass 3rd world immigration into the UK, and therefore means pretty well whatever you want it to mean.

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It is strange that in todays terror filled fear environment, there are next to no immigration controls at all, at numerous entry exit points to/from the UK? Anyone can come to Britain at any time and with a only little lateral thinking required are unlikely to be caught.

These same apparent lack of people controls are the very reason that the war on drugs is not being fought at all. A small high profile campaign here and there to keep the Sheeple thinking that the powers that be are fighting and winning this 'war. When in fact you can bring anything you want into the country in huge quantities and are very unlikely to be caught. Their just no looking that all.

Almost like this Govt doesn't want to restrict people entry or drug entry for that matter. Its the only conclusion to be made as both of these huge problems are relatively easy to limit and probably solve and they can't be that incompetent that they don't know what is happening and have no clue how to solve it.

The same mechanism is being employed by the US, Australia and others these days and it isn't a coincidence. Look at the Mexico border controls for an example.

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Yes all those pure arian lawyers are fine. 737 I suggest you go on editing your post until it isn't quite so overtly RACIST.

It's people like you who make anyone with concerns about immigration sound like a ranting racist

Sunday Times - Imral Fazal, 40, two years for indecent assult against a child - ordered to be deported to Pakistan, was released but has now been arrested again - Usha Sood !! a barrister said "We have gone to court to ensure he will not be removed from the country".

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Yes all those pure arian lawyers are fine. 737 I suggest you go on editing your post until it isn't quite so overtly RACIST.

Err, nice try, but using that card doesn't work, nobody falls for that crap anymore, not least because a good number of these criminals are white Zimbabweans!

You're going to have to find a better way to shutdown this debate than simply shouting "RACIST"

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The problem is that most will apply for asylum if threatened with deportation, and some smart arsed immigration lawer (usually tinged with a touch of the tar brush themselves) will make sure that they never leave.

I think you have that back to front.. Logically the colour black equates to nothing.. White is the added layer.. :blink:

Didnt they teach you anything at school.. :lol::lol::lol:

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This huge immigration problem in the UK and which Nu Labour have nurtured is all about quantity and not racial make-up.

Debate has been stifled by crys of 'racist' from various unsavoury Nu Labour quarters but the simple fact is that Britain is taking in far too many people each and every year. As a direct consequence of the methods of entry, little if any background or suitability checks are performed and those whose cultures are at odds to are own are allowed to gather in large insular groups who have little or no desire to integrate. These problems didn't happen on the whole in Australia who are more racially diverse than anywhere else on the planet. There though all are first and foremost Australian and proud of it too, regardless of their origins. Unfortunately we have failed to learn from their success and are the proud neighbours of ghettos of hatred.

No matter what NU LAbour spun statistics tell you, the huge quantities of immigrants into the UK from where ever, each year are unsustainable and are bad news for our communities and of course the environment. TOO MANY.

Too late to fix it though. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a civil war starting in the North of England soon.

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It would be better if entering the country illegally was a capital offence. It would solve so many problems AND act as a deterrent to others.

I think Uncle Bob, the Red Indians and many others would like that suggestion..

This huge immigration problem in the UK and which Nu Labour have nurtured is all about quantity and not racial make-up.

Debate has been stifled by crys of 'racist' from various unsavoury Nu Labour quarters but the simple fact is that Britain is taking in far too many people each and every year. As a direct consequence of the methods of entry, little if any background or suitability checks are performed and those whose cultures are at odds to are own are allowed to gather in large insular groups who have little or no desire to integrate. These problems didn't happen on the whole in Australia who are more racially diverse than anywhere else on the planet. There though all are first and foremost Australian and proud of it too, regardless of their origins. Unfortunately we have failed to learn from their success and are the proud neighbours of ghettos of hatred.

No matter what NU LAbour spun statistics tell you, the huge quantities of immigrants into the UK from where ever, each year are unsustainable and are bad news for our communities and of course the environment. TOO MANY.

Too late to fix it though. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a civil war starting in the North of England soon.

The people moist affected are the poor, ill educated, disaffected underclass of the UK.. If the best counteraction they can muster is to vote BNP then they deserve what they get..

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Although the BNP hasn't yet and is unlikely ever to lend their backing to the ill conceived Bliar/Bush crusade through Iraq and soon to be Iran, which as we all know is directly responsible for the slaughter of thousands and thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqi men women and children for no good reason.

That marks them a clear cut above Nu Labour, Conservative and the coprofilliac leaning Lib Dems in my book.

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Jesus wept, what a bunch of f-ing muppets you are.

If referring to someone as having a 'touch of the tar brush' is not racist then what the feck is. Come on explain how that is not racist

Also where did I say we shouldn't deport these criminal low-lifes?

You're going to have to find a better way to shutdown this debate than simply shouting "RACIST"

And for the record, if any of the rest of you piss wits could read, where does it say I'm for immigration. As a matter of fact I'm generally opposed to immigration but am not going to start referring to people as having a 'touch of the tar brush'

Sunday Times - Imral Fazal, 40, two years for indecent assult against a child - ordered to be deported to Pakistan, was released but has now been arrested again - Usha Sood !! a barrister said "We have gone to court to ensure he will not be removed from the country".

Yes lets play the pedo card - watch out for the pedo under the bed. That is sooo Daily Mail, use the pedo card at every opportunity!

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[quote name='Wuluf' date='May 1 2006, 01:27 PM' post='364214'

The people moist affected are the poor, ill educated, disaffected underclass of the UK.. If the best counteraction they can muster is to vote BNP then they deserve what they get..

I wish you would wake up and understand that it is every social economic group pissed off with immigration and voting BNP not just poor uneducated people. You hate sterio-typing immigrants but find it ok to do so for BNP supporters!

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Wuluf, you come across in your postings as an arrogant, politically correct leftie. You have stated previously that you do not reside in this country. Who do you think you are to criticise anyone who dares to say that the UK has had enough immigration and the majority of the population want it stopped? Your views are both ignorant of what is happening right now in this country, and insulting to anyone who has an alternative viewpoint.

The race card is getting rather boring and repetitive.

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Wuluf, you come across in your postings as an arrogant, politically correct leftie.

I’m pretty right wing on some things.. As for arrogance.. Am I really supposed to be interested in your opinion of me? Living abroad has led to me shedding the PC/bullsh*t layer prevalent in the UK.. Im am more interested in what you say than how you say it.. Try it.. Its quite liberating.

You have stated previously that you do not reside in this country. Who do you think you are to criticise anyone who dares to say that the UK has had enough immigration and the majority of the population want it stopped?

Could that be the renowned Island mentality coming to the fore? I never contested the fact that "some" people in the UK want immigration stopped. The weak arguments, incorrect information, flawed statistics and the hypocritical taking of the higher moral ground are the things that I object to. It is the UK governments right to stop immigration if they choose to do so. It is the right of a UK citizen to say that they don’t want any immigration BUT in doing so that need to either support comments with VALID arguments or accept that they are unprincipled hypocrites (either explicitly or through omission). If you state "I am a **** and want no more foreigners here for no reason other than it is my country" then there is no argument to be had. If on the other hand you seek to justify this stance based on contestable information than you should expect to be challenged and indeed as a intelligent person on a public discussion forum should welcome it.

Your views are both ignorant of what is happening right now in this country, and insulting to anyone who has an alternative viewpoint.

More often than not based on flawed reasoning..

The race card is getting rather boring and repetitive.

No race card here Sir.. Say what you want.. Just be ready to back it up with informed arguments. And in the vast majority of posts on this subject I have responded to someone else making invalid comments..

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Wuluf

Could that be the renowned Island mentality coming to the fore? I never contested the fact that "some" people in the UK want immigration stopped.

i woukld not use the word "some" as you put it but "most" want it stopped

The weak arguments, incorrect information, flawed statistics and the hypocritical taking of the higher moral ground are the things that I object to.

Yes i know what you mean like telling us how they are only letting in 120k immigrants a year and suppressing the news when it comes to these issues in favour of the immigrants but so many people like me have seen first hand what goes on and have been forced to move from places where this so called multiculturalism has taken over. We are unlikely to be silenced in telling it just as it is and our numbers do seem to be growing and you know what they say about smoke and fire !

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Err, nice try, but using that card doesn't work, nobody falls for that crap anymore, not least because a good number of these criminals are white Zimbabweans!

You're going to have to find a better way to shutdown this debate than simply shouting "RACIST"

Strange that the only picture so far published of any of the foreign criminals was of a white Zimbabwean

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Strange that the only picture so far published of any of the foreign criminals was of a white Zimbabwean

White or Black they should be deported and not keeping the police, Lawyers and guards in a job that we end up paying for.

must say i would guess 90% will be dark but best keep the true number away from the public as normal

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White or Black they should be deported and not keeping the police, Lawyers and guards in a job that we end up paying for.

must say i would guess 90% will be dark but best keep the true number away from the public as normal

Yes I agree but it just seemed odd that of all the foreign criminals they just happen to find a picture and name of a white Zimbabwean (who is appealing his rape conviction). Strange as Clark refused to release details of any of those being sought.

Maybe it's pure coincidence.

I think they should show the pics and aliases/names of ALL the foreign criminals so the public can assist the police in tracking the buggers down.

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A couple of weeks ago the BBC showed a programme about the Met Police coming down hard on criminals operating in Oxford Street in London. Every single criminal, bar one, was foreign. Now we all know that the Beeb bends over backwards to be fair and correct so I was astonished that they showed the truth for once.

The sight of Kosovan shoplifting teenagers and Algerian thieves sticking two fingers up to the country that has given them assylum filled me with anger. Why do we let this rubbish into the UK? They have no respect for us, the laws of the country, and are here for one reason only.

Wuluf can bang on with his statistics and facts lifted en masse from Wikipedia. It is entirely irrelevant. What he refuses to see or understand is that public sentiment and opinion is changing very quickly. The law abiding and tax paying population have had enough. When I talk about the population I include all Asians and West Indians who have grafted and made their home here.

So Wuluf, no more condescending comments like "Island mentality" etc. You have'nt got a clue what it is like living here. As for whether or not you are interested in my opinion about you. If you tried to post comments normally, without your superior patronising remarks, possibly I, and a few others, might actually be interested in what you have to say.

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Funny thing is I work abroad a lot and if anything I hear even more people abroad asking what the hell is going on in the UK and complaining about immigration. I wonder if London will such be a great tourist destination in a few years.

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