New Tax Proposed: On Your Fuel Bills

[Realistbear]

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money-savers/..._page_id=5&ct=5

Millions face new 'tax' on fuel

Tom McGhie, Mail on Sunday

23 April 2006

MILLIONS of families will be forced to pay a new surcharge on their energy bills to help poorer people cover their fuel costs under radical proposals being considered by Ministers.

Under the plan, part of the levy - which could raise £800m a year from householders - would be used to cover the soaring gas and electricity costs of the less well-off.

The suggestion, accepted by a Government advisory group, sparked outrage. Critics pointed out that energy firms themselves should help needy families by cutting prices.

Some "Miracle Economy" we have? :angry:

[Smokeandmirrors]

Sometimes this nanny state "Government" just exasperates me.

[SarahBell]

So which countries are nice to go and live in?

Somewhere warm would be nice, without a civil war, but after that I'm not that fussed.

[sam]

If you ask me the middle class are becoming the f*****g poor, i sometimes wonder if they started using their brains to play the system rather than trying to do the right thing that might have a far more relaxed and stress free life.

I was trying to work out a few matches from the welfare ponce chav scum brigade, and what a working man would have to earn to match them.

Case Study 1

1. Alison, 17 year old single mum that was knocked up by a lad called Wayne who she met over the previous summer for a 6 week period(now vanished), she does prefer her long term romances. Given 1 bedroomed flat, furnished, and was helped with a decent secondhand car as she is so eager to find a job, and the car will be a big help.

2. For anyone who is sad enough to have a little pride and wants to pay their way and live the same streets as Alsion, £32,000 job needed.

Case Study 2

1. Tracy and Kevin, both 27, Have 3 kids, pretty certain that two of them are probably Kevins. After living together on and off for 7 years, Kevin has finally decided to take care of his family, bless him.

Good thing is though, when Kevin was trying to find himself(majority of the time in Wormwood scrubs) the welfare(us) were helping Tracey up what is called the chav property ladder, now owns 3 bed semi which was a good quality council house in it's time. Kev is now going to take some equity out of THEIR home and start a business, a local window cleaning round he was offered from this chap down the pub, and he wants to be a professional online poker playing(he has read two books on the suject now).

2. Again for anyone wishing to match these to go getters with a working career, income of £54,000.

Sam

[ajh]

So which countries are nice to go and live in?

Somewhere warm would be nice, without a civil war, but after that I'm not that fussed.

Ummmm, parts of Oz are quite warm, even below the cyclone belt.

And the only civil wars here are the State of Origin Rugby League games .

[Guest Guy_Montag]

Surely welfare is supposed to cover essential goods & services, if the dole/pension is not enough, then it needs to be increased or otherwise adjusted, this is not the right way to deal with it.

I am also strongly against collecting money to redistribute for energy saving schemes, mostly because as a renter, it is not in my interest to pay for double glazing & since my landlord will not profit from it, it is not in his interest either. So I'm stuffed.

[Cornwall Sceptic]

If you ask me the middle class are becoming the f*****g poor, i sometimes wonder if they started using their brains to play the system rather than trying to do the right thing that might have a far more relaxed and stress free life.

I was trying to work out a few matches from the welfare ponce chav scum brigade, and what a working man would have to earn to match them.

Case Study 1

1. Alison, 17 year old single mum that was knocked up by a lad called Wayne who she met over the previous summer for a 6 week period(now vanished), she does prefer her long term romances. Given 1 bedroomed flat, furnished, and was helped with a decent secondhand car as she is so eager to find a job, and the car will be a big help.

2. For anyone who is sad enough to have a little pride and wants to pay their way and live the same streets as Alsion, £32,000 job needed.

Case Study 2

1. Tracy and Kevin, both 27, Have 3 kids, pretty certain that two of them are probably Kevins. After living together on and off for 7 years, Kevin has finally decided to take care of his family, bless him.

Good thing is though, when Kevin was trying to find himself(majority of the time in Wormwood scrubs) the welfare(us) were helping Tracey up what is called the chav property ladder, now owns 3 bed semi which was a good quality council house in it's time. Kev is now going to take some equity out of THEIR home and start a business, a local window cleaning round he was offered from this chap down the pub, and he wants to be a professional online poker playing(he has read two books on the suject now).

2. Again for anyone wishing to match these to go getters with a working career, income of £54,000.

Sam

Good post Sam

Truth is Gordon Brown's old fashioned socialist policies of - take from the hard working and give to the "so called needy" - has made most repectable self sufficient families poorer than the poor (in terms of disposable income)

Trouble is that many people still think he's done well

I'm so glad I didn't vote for NuLabour - I wouldn't have been able to sleep at night

CS

[Guest Cletus VanDamme]

NuLabour *****s. The sooner I get a wind turbine and solar panel hooked up the better. I'm sick of subsidising chavs who take all the benefits, pay no tax, yet manage to dodge the IR through cash in hand scams (here's one: invoice for the materials, these go on the books, the 'labour' is paid in cash. Materials are then claimed back as a legitimate business expense, so no tax paid)

This is one thing the BNP won't solve for us, as all their supporters are among this class. There seems to be quite a bit of support for the BNP on this site recently, well, if they get in, this is what Britain will look like: a monoculture of pasty-faced inbred (because the BNP don't believe in 'diluting the gene pool') cod-eyed workshy chavs. You BNP lot complain about immigrants, but they're the only ones doing any honest work in this country at the moment.

*****s the lot of you.

[brainclamp]

NuLabour *****s. The sooner I get a wind turbine and solar panel hooked up the better. I'm sick of subsidising chavs who take all the benefits, pay no tax, yet manage to dodge the IR through cash in hand scams (here's one: invoice for the materials, these go on the books, the 'labour' is paid in cash. Materials are then claimed back as a legitimate business expense, so no tax paid)

This is one thing the BNP won't solve for us, as all their supporters are among this class. There seems to be quite a bit of support for the BNP on this site recently, well, if they get in, this is what Britain will look like: a monoculture of pasty-faced inbred (because the BNP don't believe in 'diluting the gene pool') cod-eyed workshy chavs. You BNP lot complain about immigrants, but they're the only ones doing any honest work in this country at the moment.

*****s the lot of you.

Nobody is seroiusly thinking the BNP will win out over the mainstream parties.

Its simply about getting mass immigration on the poltical adgenda where it is firmly kept off.

Your impressions are only the media spin put out by the corrupt mainstream parties, funded by big business, at present - discussion of mass immigration = poltics of hate etc...

The expansion of this issue poltically will soon see more intellectual discussions.

[Guest Cletus VanDamme]

Your impressions are only the media spin put out by the corrupt mainstream parties, funded by big business, at present - discussion of mass immigration = poltics of hate etc...

The expansion of this issue poltically will soon see more intellectual discussions.

My impression of the BNP is what I have seen and heard of them directly:

a) canvassing in my local area

from the views expressed by some here on this forum

c) from seeing them and their henchmen during election result counts

right fred's dead quote is spot on 'burnley toughs' and others have made similar points on other threads. If the BNP want to get anywhere, they have a huge image problem among the non-chav elements of British society.

[FreeFall]

If the BNP want to get anywhere, they have a huge image problem among the non-chav elements of British society.

Absolutely right - and it's an image that I don't think they'll ever be able to shake. The thing that worries me most is that the chav element of the country appears to be expanding at an alarming rate - BNP may not have to wait all that long before they start winning local and even potentially central positions of power. Scarey.

[Guest Cletus VanDamme]

Absolutely right - and it's an image that I don't think they'll ever be able to shake. The thing that worries me most is that the chav element of the country appears to be expanding at an alarming rate - BNP may not have to wait all that long before they start winning local and even potentially central positions of power. Scarey.

It would be interesting to find an analysis of why this class has, or has given the appearance of, growing at such rapid pace. Some people blame NuLabour policies on making it pay to remain on benefits and churn out loads of urchins, while working families can't afford to have kids, etc, but I'm sure there's more to it than that.

[non-FTBer]

It would be interesting to find an analysis of why this class has, or has given the appearance of, growing at such rapid pace. Some people blame NuLabour policies on making it pay to remain on benefits and churn out loads of urchins, while working families can't afford to have kids, etc, but I'm sure there's more to it than that.

Other than the fact that they are often too stupid (or ignorant of the consequences) to keep their d1cks in their trousers I don't think there are any other reasons.

When you see some of the pregnant boilers on Jeremy Kyle, Trisha et al then you realise just how f**king stupid some of these people are, they'll sh4g anything that moves and gives them a wink regardless of how they look/smell/talk etc.

I'm not sure that the benefits etc are increasing the birth figures of the chav classes that much, for that to happen they'd actually have to think before shagging - and it dosen't look like it happens much to me.

[Justice]

This is one thing the BNP won't solve for us, as all their supporters are among this class.

Are they

There seems to be quite a bit of support for the BNP on this site recently, well, if they get in, this is what Britain will look like: a monoculture of pasty-faced inbred (because the BNP don't believe in 'diluting the gene pool') cod-eyed workshy chavs.

Do you think so

You BNP lot complain about immigrants, but they're the only ones doing any honest work in this country at the moment.

*****s the lot of you.

Your not a VI by any chance are you

If the BNP want to get anywhere, they have a huge image problem among the non-chav elements of British society.

Well i'm no chav and i'll vote for them cus i'm sick of left-wing parasites taking my taxes

[HPCheese]

What's with all the BNP talk on this forum recently?

It's dragging this site into the gutter IMO.

[Guest Cletus VanDamme]

Well i'm no chav and i'll vote for them cus i'm sick of left-wing parasites taking my taxes

But presumably happy to have right-wing parasites taking your taxes?