Many Less Well Off Say They Will Vote B N P This Time

[Realistbear]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...xportaltop.html

White voters are deserting us for BNP, says Blair ally

By Melissa Kite, Deputy Political Editor

(Filed: 16/04/2006)

White working-class families feel so neglected by the Government and angered by immigration that they are deserting Labour and flocking to the British National Party, a minister admitted yesterday.

In a sensational claim, Margaret Hodge, one of Tony Blair's closest allies, said that eight out of 10 white people in her east London constituency of Barking are threatening to vote for the far-Right party in next month's local elections.

Once traditional Labour supporters are angry at a lack of affordable housing

- and blame immigration, and Labour, for the changes.

"They can't get a home for their children, they see black and ethnic minority communities moving in and they are angry," said Mrs Hodge, the employment minister.

The penny has finally dropped that Gordon's NuLabour are a party for the greedy and the debt ridden. They may get trounced in the local elections but I hope the votes head in other directions as we do not need 2 facsist parties in the UK.

[Lars Bussholm]

Brown Next Prime-minister?

LB

[oldmisery]

wait and see what happens when unemployment goes up

[HomeAlone]

The thought of the BNP winning any sort of election threatens to bring up my morning toast.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these far right parties did see a surge in votes when local elections come around. The government doesn't represent the average joe anymore.

[WBFTB]

Mrs Hodge said white families are angry

...

"I think if we are not careful and we don't respond and learn the lessons from Barking and Dagenham we could see that same fear of change trickle out elsewhere."

That anger and fear is already well beyond Barking and Dagenham! It is everywhere.

Many people I know, of all ages, are angry with this country.

A lot of them would like the BNP to win some seats - not neccessarily for them to be in power - but to have a say and bring the government down to earth. That article sums it up nicely really...

...they feel no one else is listening to them

Everyone is angry.

[Pete95]

Many people I know, of all ages, are angry with this country.

A lot of them would like the BNP to win some seats - not neccessarily for them to be in power - but to have a say and bring the government down to earth.

Totally agree, I wouldnt like them in power, but I think it would be good to have them in positions where they were able to have some influence.

Labour have made this country so PC its got to the point where its racist just to be white these days!!

[lagos36]

The problem with the immigration question is nobody wants to deal with it,if any MP or councillor were to raise any concerns about the ethnic minority population and immigration they are immediately branded a racist,it is a taboo subject for those in power because they can and do lose their jobs,how many times have we seen an MP lose their job because they made some remark or other about foreigners in Britain.The BNP has been branded a bunch of racists,I don`t know if they are or not because I don`t go to their meetings and I don`t read their literature,they are supposed to be a voice for the white people of this country,all ethnic groups in the UK have a voice,so why not for whites as well?The problem is today that whoever is critical of foreigners is seen as a nazi plain and simple there can be no debate you either love foreigners or you hate them ,there is no common ground,groups like the BNP will always be seen as lepers where as the Muslim council of Britain and other such groups are accepted,some would say it smacks of double standards.

[brainclamp]

You think that this response is just from nu-labour?

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/ind...topic=28050&hl=

"In a sensational claim, Margaret Hodge, one of Tony Blair's closest allies, said that eight out of 10 white people in her east London constituency of Barking are threatening to vote for the far-Right party in next month's local elections. Once traditional Labour supporters are angry at a lack of affordable housing - and blame immigration, and Labour, for the changes." - How 'off-topic' is that?

I posted this thread, about the same article this morning but it was moved to the 'off-topic' forum.

How long before this thread is censored?

Looks like the moderators of this forum will soon stamp on any discussion to please the thought police!

Also a Telegraph Leader....

Labour is to blame for the drift to the BNP

(Filed: 16/04/2006)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...4/16/dl1601.xml

The growth of support for the British National Party is extremely disturbing. Margaret Hodge, the Minister of State for Employment, told this newspaper that eight out of ten white voters she canvassed in Barking and Dagenham admitted that they were considering voting for the BNP in the May local elections. It is a trend that has been noticed in several other working-class areas of Britain - and for which New Labour must take responsibility.

Nick Griffin, the BNP's Cambridge-educated leader, is no longer seen surrounded by a phalanx of tattooed thugs: he makes sure he is photographed in the company of smiling, unthreatening women. Griffin carefully crafts his message so that it sounds reasonable rather than racist. He has learned from the techniques of mendacious and misleading presentation that New Labour so effectively pioneered.

The change in the packaging, however, is not what those who admit they may now vote for the BNP are responding to: rather, it is the party's policies on immigration. Those policies, including forced repatriation and the institutionalisation of prejudice, are repulsive and wrong. That any of the British electorate should consider voting for them is deeply depressing. It is, however, a reflection of the despair felt by many working class voters at the Government's failure to address the problems generated by what they perceive to be a policy not just of unrestricted immigration, but of favouritism towards immigrants.

New Labour has made a significant contribution to the growth in support for the BNP by its failure even to think seriously about the problems generated by large-scale immigration. Of the fact that Labour has encouraged mass immigration there can be no doubt. Since 1997, Labour has allowed an average 157,000 new migrants per year into Britain - almost triple the average annual number admitted in the decade prior to 1997. Labour has tried to keep that policy secret: it has concentrated instead on announcing its policy for reducing the number of asylum-seekers - who, in fact, form only 14 per cent of the annual total of new immigrants.

During the 2005 General Election campaign, Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, insisted that "we want more immigration". He, like many other well-off people, may well want more immigration: it reduces the wages that need to be paid to house cleaners, nannies, painters and plumbers, and increases the choice of restaurant cuisines available. But many poorer voters, for whom immigration means lower wages, longer queues for social housing, and unwelcome changes to the familiar form of the local community, do not want more immigration.

In last year's election, Tony Blair boasted that he had presided over strict controls to reduce both legal and illegal immigration. This was blatantly false. Far from imposing strict controls, Labour has increased the number of work permits given to immigrants and their dependants by a factor of four since 1997. More than 1.2 million have arrived in Britain in the past eight years from outside the EU. Many communities have experienced a major transformation as a result.

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"The problem is that these people have not been consulted about the vast social experiment in which they have been forced to participate. Nor can they discuss their anger without being labelled "racist". Until the Government - and the opposition parties - confront the issues raised by immigration, directly and honestly, the poison of the BNP will continue to spread."

[BTman]

The thought of the BNP winning any sort of election threatens to bring up my morning toast.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these far right parties did see a surge in votes when local elections come around. The government doesn't represent the average joe anymore.

I agree, but the BNP are the only party to address immigration issues, the rest are too PC. What other choice does average joe have if they feel immigration is a problem.

[lagos36]

Well we will see how long this thread lasts,you only have to be slightly critical of immigrants to warrant a visit by the PC brigade.What they don`t understand is if people are not allowed to debate this subject and voice an opinion on it their frustrations can lead to hatred,which is what the PC people don`t want.Overall I think we are extremely tolerant in this country and only raise concerns when we have to ,people need somewhere to live but with house prices being what they are and council accomadation being snapped up by newcomers its bound to raise tensions.

[Dead Cat Bounce]

Leaving aside the asylum seekers issue for a moment can someone advise me of BNP's policies on the following

1/The economy

2/Education

3/Health Service

4/Invasion of Iraq

I should add I am undecided as to which party to vote for at the forthcoming elections and must study some more manifestoes

[teddyboy]

This is a sign that NuLabour are facist!!! They know about the housing, They know about Immigration but they dont listen to their people. They are dictatorate! I personally do not believe is a LOT of what the BNP stand for but as posted earlier - they are the only ones that are addressing it.

This country needs to stop some of the oppressions that the immigrants are coming here to avoid. Is Tony Blair any better than than Mugabi in the way he is treating his people? Apart from the slaying then I would say NO! I remember when he got in in 97 and had local visits and said I will spend 1 hour per week - every week coming to comminty centres and alike and listen to the people. It lasted 2 weeks!!!

TONY LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE OR THE BNP WILL GET IN!

Tb

[MarkG]

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these far right parties did see a surge in votes when local elections come around.

Um, from what I've seen of the BNP's economic policies, they're far _LEFT_, not far right.

[Golden Shower]

This is a sign that NuLabour are facist!!! They know about the housing, They know about Immigration but they dont listen to their people. They are dictatorate! I personally do not believe is a LOT of what the BNP stand for but as posted earlier - they are the only ones that are addressing it.

This country needs to stop some of the oppressions that the immigrants are coming here to avoid. Is Tony Blair any better than than Mugabi in the way he is treating his people? Apart from the slaying then I would say NO! I remember when he got in in 97 and had local visits and said I will spend 1 hour per week - every week coming to comminty centres and alike and listen to the people. It lasted 2 weeks!!!

TONY LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE OR THE BNP WILL GET IN!

Tb

TB,

You've completely lost your marbles. The UK may have it's problems but we are NOT a dictatorship, the UK had it's chance to get rid of him but chose not to. Do you seriously expect the PM to spend 1 hour/week listening to people whinge about their problems? He has a much bigger picture to deal with.

Be grateful of what you have, the UK is on the whole moderate and a very good place to live.

[Arsene Wenger]

Well in this country pensioners can not even shout"rubbish" at The Foreign Secretary without being arrested under some terrorist legislation,or even speak out names at the Cenotaph of those killed in Iraq.

Blair is merely a puppet for a very dangerous George Bush.

[MarkG]

The UK may have it's problems but we are NOT a dictatorship, the UK had it's chance to get rid of him but chose not to.

78% of voters did not vote for NuLab, but they got elected with a majority anyway. What chance, exactly, did we have to 'get rid of' Blair?

Labour voters turning to the BNP because they're the only socialist party left must scare the crap out of NuLab MPs.

[right_freds_dead]

TB,

You've completely lost your marbles. The UK may have it's problems but we are NOT a dictatorship, the UK had it's chance to get rid of him but chose not to. Do you seriously expect the PM to spend 1 hour/week listening to people whinge about their problems? He has a much bigger picture to deal with.

Be grateful of what you have, the UK is on the whole moderate and a very good place to live.

i agree with TB.

the government is choosing to ignore the problems of a large proportion of the working population, who are now struggling. instead preferring to please the recently property well heeled and the internal local government worker as well as the global immigrant.

everyone else can take a jump, is what i am hearing from my government.

[BillyShears]

Some years ago I saw an article stating that high house prices might fuel racism and xenophobia. I have grave concerns that this will be the case, and that things can get a lot worse than what they are now. I believe that many people are much more racist and xenophobic than they allow into their public face, and that "events" can make it socially acceptable to express this racism, resulting in what appears to be a sudden massive increase in racism.

Comments in other threads talked about the time when Welsh people were burning down cottages bought by "outsiders". I fear that this sort of thing could happen with other "other" groups in other parts of the country if people perceive that they are being priced out by outsiders. For many possible definitions of "outsider".

If I was on a typical Cornwall salary in Cornwall, I'd be pretty angry. Some people (I would like to say not myself) experiencing such anger may express it in socially undesirable ways.

Billy Shears

[Golden Shower]

That may be the message you are getting, the trick is to go tell them "to take a jump".

It's often said we get the government we deserve, it probably doesn't apply to readers of this site because most probably vote, but I find it hard to believe the UK is griping so much about Tony Blair but then chooses to do little about it when the time comes.

Even if the other options are just as bad...

[MarkG]

I find it hard to believe the UK is griping so much about Tony Blair but then chooses to do little about it when the time comes.

More than three quarters of the voters in the UK _DID NOT VOTE FOR NULAB_! What more could they do about it than that!?!?!?!?

Why do you keep repeating this crap as though NuLab were legitimately elected by the majority of the population?

Quite frankly, we should be scared stiff of the fact that the BNP would only need 22% of the votes to get a majority in parliament if Labour voters turned to them en masse.

[right_freds_dead]

It's often said we get the government we deserve, it probably doesn't apply to readers of this site because most probably vote, but I find it hard to believe the UK is griping so much about Tony Blair but then chooses to do little about it when the time comes.

which is why i try not to aim too much of my blame onto the governemt, and make sure the main hits the greedy btl public types. BUT.

as you say, the government are a body elected by the feelings of the population. a good government would spot the problem and correct it. a dictat would use the power instead. and this is where we are going with housing and debt.

they have managed to get people into a stranglehold of debt (for nothing but sentiment). and instead of blowing a pressure valve and controlling it, regulating, building council homes. they instead have used it as a carrot on a stick, while keeping sweet a good proportion of the home owners with more good house inflation news. = more bad news for someone else.

[BillyShears]

More than three quarters of the voters in the UK _DID NOT VOTE FOR NULAB_! What more could they do about it than that!?!?!?!?

Why do you keep repeating this crap as though NuLab were legitimately elected by the majority of the population?

Quite frankly, we should be scared stiff of the fact that the BNP would only need 22% of the votes to get a majority in parliament if Labour voters turned to them en masse.

I think this is misleading. In the 2005 election, Labour obtained 35.2% of the vote.

http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/area/uk/uktable.htm

This means that ony 64.8% of the voters didn't vote for Labour.

To get your 75% of the voters, you need to include those who didn't vote. With a 61.4% turnout, that means that only 21.6128% of the eligible voters voted for Labour. That would support your statement that three quarters of the population did not vote for NuLab, but I dispute your claim "What more could they do about it than that?" The remainind 38.6% of voters could have voted. They could have voted against NuLab, that's what they could have done.

Billy Shears

[Bubble Pop Electric]

Leaving aside the asylum seekers issue for a moment can someone advise me of BNP's policies on the following

1/The economy

2/Education

3/Health Service

4/Invasion of Iraq

I should add I am undecided as to which party to vote for at the forthcoming elections and must study some more manifestoes

They are completely against the invasion of Iraq & think it is illegal, & are disgusted at the state of the NHS (& education) which seems full to the brim of "managers" & other non contributing staff. Generally they don't agree with the way that money is wasted whilst public services are left to disintegrate.

They also believe in supporting & revitalising the manufacturing base of the UK - does any of that sound radical or racist?

Go & actually read what they are saying instead of relying on preconceived ideas gleaned from the media & politicians.

I don't know why people automatically think of them as racists, except for the Pavlovian response generated by listening to the media & not thinking, or investigating for themselves. Its like the general populus believe in GB & his miracle economy, whereas everyone here thinks its a sham - its because we've all investigated it & consequently understand the truth, whereas Joe Public just reads the papers.

I mean, come on, Adolf Hitler invaded Poland under a tissue of lies, then invaded the rest of Europe, & bombed/killed thousands of civilians.

Tony B.Liar has invaded Iraq under a tissue of lies, & Afghanistan (Iran next), & bombed/killed thousands of civilians.

Who has the BNP invaded/killed/disadvantaged in any way? Just have a think about who's really who.

The BNP want to speak for the indiginous people of this country & address the real issues that real people have, not the opposite as NuLab/Tories/etc do.

Thats why they are seen as such a threat by TB & co - there will not be death camps, jackbooted stormtroopers, or silly moustaches if the BNP obtain any significant amount of power. Its just paranoia & nonsense spread by NuLab & the media.

NuLab have generated a frenzied circus where virtually anything is racist, & PC goverment busy bodies are falling over themselves to ram it down everybody throats.

Do you really think that most people in the UK are racists?

Just to sum that up, the BNP are interested in taking a look at the mess our own country is in, & sorting that out, instead of poking our noses into far flung corners of the World to bring NuLabs own special brand of "democracy" to them (which equates to: You give us all of your oil & you get mcDonalds & all the other "benefits" of a great country like ours). Chavtastic.

[MRMX9]

The BNP are playing it very smartly in Barking and Dagenham I'm afraid. They are only putting up 1 candidate in each of the 13 three member wards. As a result people can vote BNP without having to worry about them running the Council. There is every chance they could get 6 or 7 councillors there - maybe as much as 10 or 11 after May 4th.

It all comes back to the same problem - high crime, rapid change in population (Barking town centre was an all white apartheid zone 15 years ago - now you could honestly be in Hackney - and the locals don't like it!) and more importantly the acute shortage of affordable housing. This all stems from the disastrous right to buy scheme and the fact that house prices in the area have tripled in the last five years!

Its all very sad - who says rising house prices don't have massive social consequences!

[teddyboy]

I think we need to make it clear that not agreeing with immigration issues is not RACIST. If anything its NATIONALIST.

If this country was in a good way and there was room for immigration then I say fine. The people of this country CANNOT get housing but immigrants can BY LAW. This is WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

If having this belief is racist then maybe I am????

TB