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I have decided to say f*ck the housing market and have signed another years rental agreement. To keep myself motivated and happy and as a birthday treat i have put a deposit down on a Toyota RAV 2.0 VX.

Nice motor, £9995, 2001 plate, 28k, test driven twice and quite happy with the deal (and the £3750 for my trade in),the dealer is well known and longtime established in my area, but..... I did my own online AA HPI check and everything was clean except the VIN/Chassis number.

I rang AA Car Data help number. They told me it's not the VIN showing on their database but would not tell me which one they have showing.(Why are these people so f*cking cagy all the time?)

I have checked out all the online info about Toyota VIN's and the number i have matches the Internationally agreed Toyota sequence very nicely and several online checks showed it as a Toyota Rav, built in Japan in 2000/2001 etc.

I am popping in tomorrow to check the VIN under the bonnet. So any comments, suggestions, or experience on this would be very welcome from the knowledgeable HPC crowd.

If the VIN matches the logbook should i go ahead and purchase? Can the AA Database be wrong? What would you do?

All suggestions welcome. After all it's 6k plus coming out of my account on thursday and i don't want to buy a load of trouble!

Thanks guys & gals

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I have decided to say f*ck the housing market and have signed another years rental agreement. To keep myself motivated and happy and as a birthday treat i have put a deposit down on a Toyota RAV 2.0 VX.

Nice motor, £9995, 2001 plate, 28k, test driven twice and quite happy with the deal (and the £3750 for my trade in),the dealer is well known and longtime established in my area, but..... I did my own online AA HPI check and everything was clean except the VIN/Chassis number.

I rang AA Car Data help number. They told me it's not the VIN showing on their database but would not tell me which one they have showing.(Why are these people so f*cking cagy all the time?)

I have checked out all the online info about Toyota VIN's and the number i have matches the Internationally agreed Toyota sequence very nicely and several online checks showed it as a Toyota Rav, built in Japan in 2000/2001 etc.

I am popping in tomorrow to check the VIN under the bonnet. So any comments, suggestions, or experience on this would be very welcome from the knowledgeable HPC crowd.

If the VIN matches the logbook should i go ahead and purchase? Can the AA Database be wrong? What would you do?

All suggestions welcome. After all it's 6k plus coming out of my account on thursday and i don't want to buy a load of trouble!

Thanks guys & gals

Maybe it was imported from Japan?

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OLDFTB - Yes i decided to say f*ck the housing market aswell and treated myself to a nearly new Renault Clio RS 182 inc cup packs, why should i save hard and go without, i will have replaced the money i used in a year or two.

How did the AA come to the conclusion it was the wrong VIN number, what details did you give them?.

Have you tried another of the car data check websites to make sure it is not an error with AA?.

Do any of the VIN plates on the vehicle looked tampered with?.

You say it was built in Japan in 2000/2001, but do you know if the Rav 4 was meant to be built in the UK or in Japan, is it UK spec?.

What is the exact model and spec/engine?.

Give Toyota customer services a ring, give them the chassis number and ask for the build details, spec, and if it is a UK car or not, as imported cars are worth less.

But if in doubt just walk away there are plenty more cars out there.

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I would contact the Old Bill for advice. The Manchester and Metropolitan police are good ones to contact. They have specialist stolen car squads and should be able to help. Mind you with everyone forever quoting the Data Protection Act as a reason for not giving out information it will be interesting to see if they help you. Keep us informed.

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It may be a clone, I got stung the same way but luckily no money changed hands.

I phoned the police and quoted the registration, they said they didn't have an 'interest' in the vehicle. The car was taxed until November so I phoned DVLA to see if their records coincided, they didn't. They had it down as being taxed until June. I took the tax disc out of its holder and guess what, yes it was a forgery.

So the car that was taxed until June was driving around somewhere with a genuine tax disc, I had its clone!

What happens is this; You steal a car, then have a look in the street for one exactly the same and copy its plates. Now there are two cars on the road with the same registration. The only difference will of course be the VIN number and the mileage.

Be very careful because you will not get a penny of your money back. Which Ironically is the same outcome of any car purchase! :o

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Thanks for the replies.For the record heres answers to one or two questions that have been posed:

How did the AA come to the conclusion it was the wrong VIN number, what details did you give them?.

I entered the number showing in the copy of the logbook i was given for the online check, thats how they flagged it up as being different to their record.

Have you tried another of the car data check websites to make sure it is not an error with AA?.

I have now been given a copy of the Experian check by the dealer. This one does show a different VIN number as well except for the last 6 or so digits.They match exactly.But the dealer is happy with the history. He reckons someones messed up the original database entry (from logbook to HPI database).

Do any of the VIN plates on the vehicle looked tampered with?.

I checked them yesterday and they looked fine to me.No tampering at all.

So,I'll ring Toyota UK on Tuesday for help. Plenty of time to make a decision, no final payment handed over yet. Dealer will give me my deposit back if i ask them.

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I think i would walk away from this one whether it is a genuine mistake or not, if you are having this much hassle in buying the vehicle, what's it going to be like when you come to sell?.

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I think i would walk away from this one whether it is a genuine mistake or not, if you are having this much hassle in buying the vehicle, what's it going to be like when you come to sell?.

Good point. Hopefully i'd keep it for at least 3 years. I would have to persuade the HPI companies to alter their database. Not an impossible task i hope.

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Maybe it was imported from Japan?

It is an import...but from Greece!

I have found out a lot more about it.Toyota GB have it on their database and so do their Import section, both show the logbook chassis number. They said it is a European spec. so no probs with spares.Toyota have been really helpful, i'm very impressed.

So i am now satisfied it's ok and will hopefully pick it up on friday.

I'll write to the DVLA and ask them to contact HPI/Experian to update their database.

Phew...thank god that's all sorted out!

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It is an import...but from Greece!

I have found out a lot more about it.Toyota GB have it on their database and so do their Import section, both show the logbook chassis number. They said it is a European spec. so no probs with spares.Toyota have been really helpful, i'm very impressed.

So i am now satisfied it's ok and will hopefully pick it up on friday.

I'll write to the DVLA and ask them to contact HPI/Experian to update their database.

Phew...thank god that's all sorted out!

Personally I wouldn't go for it, as somebody else pointed out it might not be a problem for you but if/when you come to sell it it might be. However much a bargin it looks there will be another out there for the same or less money.

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My gut instinct would be telling me to walk away from this one, if you do buy this vehicle make sure you are paying less than a UK sourced car as 'imports' are not worth as much.

Have you looked at http://www.autotrader.co.uk/ to find a Rav - 4 in your area.

I have done a countrywide search on several online sellers such as autotrader. The price for the same spec,year etc is anything from 9495 to 11495.Some have lower mileage, others higher. So it's priced about right.I get a 12 month warranty as well. Also it's a parallel import not a grey import like Pajeros etc are. I'm not walking away.As Del boy always says:

Who dares wins Rodders!

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