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I have said a few times that I believe that jobs + debt will drive the next recession.

Just lately the NHS has been in the news nearly every day with hundreds of jobs loses. Had that to a very sick manufacturing sector and unemployment is definately on the up.

The following link is to a Dept of Health spreadsheet. Number of employees in 2004 --- 1.3 million.

http://www.dh.gov.uk/assetRoot/04/10/65/95/04106595.xls

They could probably loose 10%.

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a lot of jobs are middle men or admin to admininster all the red tape and targets.

theres some crazy stuff about, liek new initiatives, only thought up to serve the purpose of keeping their own jobs.

now they;'ll cut jobs so only "real" work needs to be done, like looking after patients.

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As a regular user of the NHS i have felt that the admin and support has been poor and getting worse for a long time.

A friend of mine at work described it well when he pointed out the the stress pyramid was inverted. He was watching the staff in causulty (he had broke his arm). The three lady support staff on the desk spent their time chatting. The nurse was dashing back and forwards checking patients and the doctors looked like they had not slept for a week.

You should not have your critical decission makers running around doing paper work. It should be the support staff. The decision makers need to be well rested and alert, after all it is our lives they are making decisions about.

Two of the chatting support staff should be made redundent, along with their over paid manager, and more medical staff employed.

OOPS off topic rant! <_< But the doctors and nurse deserve better.

Back on topic, I think the current round of jobs losses in the NHS could amount to quite a significant total. >100,000 perhaps?

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I think you'll find that it's the administrators who will be making the decisions on who to fire. Themselves or the doctors and nurses... Tricky one, but I think administration is where I'd feel safest.

Read the newspapers about where all the extra health service money went. Maybe 15% of it got to patient care. The rest in administration and pay rises.

Anyone know how to become an adminsitrator in education? I hear that's the next big trough.

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I recently fell from an 80 storey building and broke every bone in my body. The administration at the local hospital I found to be excellent. They kept me well informed as to when the operations would be cancelled and even telephoned me on my mobile whilst I was having a pre-med before an op to say it had been cancelled.

We need more administrators in the NHS and far less Doctors and Nurses and frontline staff who are wasting billions of taxpayers money when they have no interest other than to selfishly treat patients in an attempt to make them better.

I was out at a dinner party the other night with the rotary club and we had some Doctors on the table. I was simply stunned to learn that one in particular was going to dedicate his life to working with sick children. I am apalled at all the waste that goes on in the NHS, when this money could be spent on administration and reporting to central government.

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I’m paying for a first word service via NI and Taxes and yet the service from the NHS is a 3rd world service where most doctors are imported along with the nurses and cleaning staff.

Why is this allowed to go on and how many brown envelopes are our MP’s getting as they export ‘IT’ jobs abroad and import cheap labour so it cost them less to run the country.

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Why should we be suprised that the bosses of UK PLC have decided to offshore the organisation and layoff the workforce.

It makes sense, UK workers cost too much money whereas offshore workers have no reliance on local services in the UK.

It is only right and in line with tradition that a Socialist Party punish the workers, its par for the course.

You should all think yourselves lucky that you are not being carted off in the dead of night by Tony's new crack FBI team, and shot up against a wall.

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Why should we be suprised that the bosses of UK PLC have decided to offshore the organisation and layoff the workforce.

It makes sense, UK workers cost too much money whereas offshore workers have no reliance on local services in the UK.

It is only right and in line with tradition that a Socialist Party punish the workers, its par for the course.

You should all think yourselves lucky that you are not being carted off in the dead of night by Tony's new crack FBI team, and shot up against a wall.

Thats next year!

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A couple of thoughts.

How new labour can be described as Socialist is beyond me, they are no more Socialist as

the Tories.

As for useful work, I would say 70% of work done in the UK serves no real purpose at all

other than keep the masses busy.

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A couple of thoughts.

How new labour can be described as Socialist is beyond me, they are no more Socialist as the Tories.

i don't think they have been socialist since blair dumped clause four...

As for useful work, I would say 70% of work done in the UK serves no real purpose at all other than keep the masses busy.

yup - keep the hamsters on the big wheel of work, consumption and debt.

gives 'em no time to think.

why do you think the state owns it's own TV station? - a bit difficult to smash the state if you have to rush home to watch the latest episode of your favorite soap opera... :rolleyes:

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A couple of thoughts.

How new labour can be described as Socialist is beyond me, they are no more Socialist as

the Tories.

As for useful work, I would say 70% of work done in the UK serves no real purpose at all

other than keep the masses busy.

that is socialism

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I think in some places it could have an effect. On numerous occasions in the last 2.5 years I have watched the latest overpriced, mediocre pile of rubbish suddenly sell after being on the market for 12 months only to find that the latest sucker doctor has just bought it (although it has to be said often for less than the asking price).

My hospital and most others have a job freeze on which should decrease the competition for properties a bit.

Hold on a job freeze in hospitals, increasing unemployment, and bird flu panic. Sounds slightly frightening. Maybe I'll continue to live in my 4 man tent a bit longer. If I could just keep those ducks out.

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that is socialism

We live in a Capitalist world mainly, consumer driven, thats why so much work done is pointless.

Nail manicures, financial services, all the work in the City,

advertising, PR, marketing, banks, building societies, fast food, fashion, sport ..........

I could go on, bit like shooting fish in a barrell. If it all stopped tomorrow the world would be a better place.

Socialism is a system where production would be planned and only useful work would be done.

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I think you'll find that it's the administrators who will be making the decisions on who to fire. Themselves or the doctors and nurses

They will not diminish the frontline services. Administration will be cut back.

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Thats another 1000 NHS jobs gone today........

Thats 2130 NHS Jobs gone in a week .......

And thats only what is reported in the Media , how many more are going that the media doesn't pick up on .......

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Last week's New England had a long discussion piece on how to make American Health Care more like the NHS ie cheap and effective. They surmised that this wasn't easy because basically we're Brits, they're Americans and our expectations differ. My point is that in the senior journal of world medicine the NHS was not dispatched as a nonsense or an anachronism. The reality is that the NHS is better after Labour's injection of money. The issues about the failure to deliver perfection or how much is some health care point worth are debated by every health care system in the world. When people on this forum discuss this with the uninformed and immature contempt for informed debate that I expect from the Daily Mail, it undermines every topic we discuss.

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As a regular user of the NHS i have felt that the admin and support has been poor and getting worse for a long time.

A friend of mine at work described it well when he pointed out the the stress pyramid was inverted. He was watching the staff in causulty (he had broke his arm). The three lady support staff on the desk spent their time chatting. The nurse was dashing back and forwards checking patients and the doctors looked like they had not slept for a week.

You should not have your critical decission makers running around doing paper work. It should be the support staff. The decision makers need to be well rested and alert, after all it is our lives they are making decisions about.

Two of the chatting support staff should be made redundent, along with their over paid manager, and more medical staff employed.

OOPS off topic rant! <_< But the doctors and nurse deserve better.

Back on topic, I think the current round of jobs losses in the NHS could amount to quite a significant total. >100,000 perhaps?

As someone who's worked in the public sector all my adult life, (oooh I can just feel the hate exuding from this forum,) I would like to add my tuppence ha'penny worth. I have found that the admin staff associated with the public sector generally useless, & in some cases just bloody obstructive.

Rather than realising that their role is to provide support to enable the doctors / academics / scientists / engineers / teachers / whatever to do their jobs effeciently, they seem to see their roles as finding interesting & innovative new ways to generate more paperwork for people at the frontline.

*rant over*

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Last week's New England had a long discussion piece on how to make American Health Care more like the NHS ie cheap and effective. They surmised that this wasn't easy because basically we're Brits, they're Americans and our expectations differ. My point is that in the senior journal of world medicine the NHS was not dispatched as a nonsense or an anachronism. The reality is that the NHS is better after Labour's injection of money. The issues about the failure to deliver perfection or how much is some health care point worth are debated by every health care system in the world. When people on this forum discuss this with the uninformed and immature contempt for informed debate that I expect from the Daily Mail, it undermines every topic we discuss.

45 million people in the USA have no health insurance and the overwhelming public opinion is to

have a health system like the NHS, but this is politicly impossible according Republicans and Democrats parties.

According to a BBC Panaroma programme the other week most of the NHS new money went on increases

to the GPs and consultants and drugs.

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Unfortunately in public services the admin staff are those that cannot get into private industry because private industry rejects them. In any job, the more staff you manage the more you get paid, and the more you become a chick magnet.

So our local counils are full of wannabe ars3 l1ckers. Their tasks are worthless daily drivel dross, however if they can hire another fifty staff, well that would make them important wouldnt it. Imagine at the local pub.

"I manage 200 staff, Key Workers, the country would fall apart if I left the organisation".

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I wonder if any of the papers are keeping a tab on how many of these jobs are going? Surely someone like the daily mail would have a field day on this sort of thing!

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http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/4884940.stm

A Somerset hospital trust is so short of cash it may never be able to pay the staff needed to open one of its new multi-million pound wards.

Weston General Hospital's £6m, two ward mental health unit, built under a Private Finance Initiative (PFI), was due to open to patients in June.

But finance chiefs admit they failed to budget for the £560,000-a-year cost of staffing one of the wards.

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As someone who's worked in the public sector all my adult life, (oooh I can just feel the hate exuding from this forum,) I would like to add my tuppence ha'penny worth. I have found that the admin staff associated with the public sector generally useless, & in some cases just bloody obstructive.

Rather than realising that their role is to provide support to enable the doctors / academics / scientists / engineers / teachers / whatever to do their jobs effeciently, they seem to see their roles as finding interesting & innovative new ways to generate more paperwork for people at the frontline.

*rant over*

I was in public service until we were privatised. I remember an admin. person said" This place would run so much better withOUT the scientists."

The place... The Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough. Admin a right pain...

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