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Right Fred, Blunkett's women might be good looking but he is the exact opposite. Apparently, the American slapper that he went to bed with, Kimberley Quinn said she wondered what it would be like to go to bed with a blind man. Would'nt it have been simpler just to turn the lights off?

a lot of women have a thing for blind men. its to do with the fingers.

they become so sensitive so they can read braile.

when applied to a ladys love nut, they can often write an entire lament of love upon the lucky labia.

us none blind men use our fingers like a platemans pickaxe.

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Blair has employed over 3.5Million public service workers, and still has 4.5Million unemployed. However he doesnt count those under 19, or those unemployed for less than three months, or those with Children.

Lets not forget education. Anyone forced into education is not counted as well.

So what are you? A goldfish?

Have you such a short memory as to not remember WHY we voted in such large numbers to out the Tories?

Just what was it that you can't remember? The wonderful way they ran the NHS? The modern and up-to-date schools under John Major? Norman Lamont's financial wizardry? The Poll Tax?

Tony Blair is as good as you are going to get and you will realise this if we are ever stupid enough to put the 'caring' Conservatives back in :ph34r::ph34r: .

Its interesting how things go.

I was 17 when Blair was elected. So I wasn't really grown up when the Tory's where in power so I don't really know the bad things they have done.

Now at 26 I know everything Labour has done. So obviously I(along with most other young people) will never ever vote labour again in my entire life. Just like a lot of people won't vote Tory. I guess as time goes by all the younger people who will never vote Labour will Grow and the power will swing back to Tory's. (Or hopefully A.N.Other)

Just as Torys did things wrong, euqally this can be said for Labour.

The NHS has gone from bad to worse.

Tony Blair Acedemies are the worst performing schools in the country.

Brown has created potentially the biggest boom of all time. Just wait for the bust. (And wasted billions of pounds!)

The Council Tax has shot up.

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I don't care what the Tories did, I care what labour are doing now.

It makes me very sad that the electorate can be so blind as to vote these Labour loons in not just once, not twice, but THREE times!! What will it take to pursuade them otherwise? Perhaps we'll see labour return to its true colours and revert the economy to a similar state as in the 70's. Lets hope so, and I hope you'll be proud of yourself for voting Labour and contributing to the downfall of your own country.

Several reasons why Labour was voted in three times...

- Blair comes across as an intelligent guy who appears passionate about what he says

- The housing market is proping up the economy

- Tories are a joke at the moment - they come across as a cynical, completely out of touch and desperate for power with no real agenga eg immigration issues at the last election :lol:

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My god, you've been brainwashed. Poor thing.

You must have been out of the country in the 90's when the Tories where clinging power - appauling time - so miserable - peoples attitude towards one another changed in everyday life - real nasty....

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- Blair comes across as an intelligent guy who appears passionate about what he says

I've heard this before but never been able to understand it. To me he comes across as a beady eyed, gibbering loon. He's like an evil robot built by aliens who might have read a book on human behaviour but haven't actually seen a live person. "I'm a pretty straight kinda guy". How much more insincere can you get? If the public at large regard him as a clever and principled fellow they must be thick as sh1t. Oh yeah, wait a minute, they are.

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Several reasons why Labour was voted in three times...

- Blair comes across as an intelligent guy who appears passionate about what he says

- The housing market is proping up the economy

- Tories are a joke at the moment - they come across as a cynical, completely out of touch and desperate for power with no real agenga eg immigration issues at the last election :lol:

-Thats funny, Blair comes across to most intelligent people as a complusive liar who is all speak and no action. Take the NHS for example, labour have managed to nearly bankrupt the NHS by tripling the amount invested into it, amazing!

-You can't keep relying on the housing market to prop up the economy. There is only one way house prices can go now and that is down.

I'll need to re-word your last comment to:

- Labour have always been a joke - they come across as cynical, completely out of touch and desperate to get re-allected with no real agenga eg immigration issues, or any other issue for that matter!! :lol:

LABOUR ARE GOING TO HAVE A FIGHT ON THEIR HANDS AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION.

I'm going back to work now so I can earn more money for Brown.

I've heard this before but never been able to understand it. To me he comes across as a beady eyed, gibbering loon. He's like an evil robot built by aliens who might have read a book on human behaviour but haven't actually seen a live person. "I'm a pretty straight kinda guy". How much more insincere can you get? If the public at large regard him as a clever and principled fellow they must be thick as sh1t. Oh yeah, wait a minute, they are.

Excellent description!!

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The worrying part is most folks in this country are eyeballed in debt.

Perhaps idiot steve could confirm that. They are short term thinkers.

If there is a down turn which will happen are we going to see a swing

to the BNP ? Idiot Steve becomes Racist Steve over night. I think

blood will definately be spilled. New labour have only remaind in power

thanks to HPI.

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We must never forget that houses ARE the economy. 2/3rds of GNP. As goes houses so goes the economy.

On that basis we are headed back to pre-Thatcher days, winters of discontent, strikes, high taxes and poor man of Europe status.

Last time we belive in economic "miracles" I hope. Maggie would never have sold the people on a "miracle" but on reward for effort.

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You must have been out of the country in the 90's when the Tories where clinging power - appauling time - so miserable - peoples attitude towards one another changed in everyday life - real nasty....

I beg to differ.

During the 90's I was at college and university (before the so-called socialist party came in and abolished grants and paid-for tuition, I would've expected it from the Conservatives but not Labour).

I remember it being an optimistic time - sure we'd had a global recession but it was passing and things were on the up again. It was worthwile going out to work and earning a living, I had high hopes for my future.

Then in '97 labour came in and slowly but surely this country has become more and more of a joke.

I never thought I'd say it but I envy those on benefits. The single mothers, the long-term unemployed, the drug dealers, criminals, benefit cheats and tax evaders. They made the right choice, they've got it made.

I no longer feel good about myself for having a job, earning money, paying my taxes and playing by the rules. All I feel is resentment, despair and frustration because I wonder why I work so hard for so little.

I don't own property or have any savings and I'm on below average earnings. But I live in the second most unaffordable region in the UK to live in. Most of what I earn goes on taxes (for which I get little in return as I live in the countryside - no street lighting, no road-sweepers, no public transport, no library, no leisure facilities - remind me what council tax is for again...?).

I can't afford my own place and unless this HPC happens or I win the lottery I probably never will.

I don't have any kids and I'm not a pensioner, so this government denies the validity of my existence. I look at girls I went to school with who didn't go and get an education, they just got married and had kids, and now they don't need to work, they just get an enviable standard of housing provided by the state, living costs paid, and I pay for it.

The company I work for hasn't made a profit for 3 years because of the increasing operating costs which they cannot pass on to the customer, who can't afford it either because they are also screwed. Most of these increased costs are due to Labours policies. My job is now probably in jeapordy. Then again, that's probably a good thing seeing as I can then join the crowded ranks of the state-supported unemployed, along with thousands of nurses and tens of thousands from other private sector businesses in this country who are laying people off left right and center.

The state of Britain after 9 years of labour rule makes me sick to my stomach.

And as for Gordon Brown, I have never known such a repellant, incompetent person in my life - and he's going to be Prime Minister soon. Well, he's the perfect person to be the leader of this hideous miserable excuse for a country.

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Sounds like a great lifestyle - doing nothing and living on benefits. But, you don't get much money, you don't live in luxury, and people I have met who were living on benefits were trying very hard to get out of the vicious circle.

Its been explained before, but the "burden" on British companies is less than almost any other country in the EU. If you want to work in a sweatshop style job, with no rights, no paid holidays, no health and safety regulations, then more fool you. However, millions of people in this country struggled for decades, no, centuries, to gain such "burdens" on business. That noted socialist, Winston churchill, once said that without regulation, the bad drive out the good, and the worst drive out the bad.

It takes a long, long time to change the mentality of a country, and labour's greatest failure was not to recognise, or to igmore, the desire for something better, rather than Thatcherism without some of the rough edges.

Speculation, short-termism, the power of capital over industry, obsession with the markets, all of these concepts have done great damage to the UK since the days of Mrs T. There are other solutions and Labour's greatest folly has been not to try. Still, i'm an optimist at heart (just) and things can only get better (so to speak)! And there will be a HPC

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Sounds like a great lifestyle - doing nothing and living on benefits. But, you don't get much money, you don't live in luxury, and people I have met who were living on benefits were trying very hard to get out of the vicious circle.

Its been explained before, but the "burden" on British companies is less than almost any other country in the EU. If you want to work in a sweatshop style job, with no rights, no paid holidays, no health and safety regulations, then more fool you. However, millions of people in this country struggled for decades, no, centuries, to gain such "burdens" on business. That noted socialist, Winston churchill, once said that without regulation, the bad drive out the good, and the worst drive out the bad.

It takes a long, long time to change the mentality of a country, and labour's greatest failure was not to recognise, or to igmore, the desire for something better, rather than Thatcherism without some of the rough edges.

Speculation, short-termism, the power of capital over industry, obsession with the markets, all of these concepts have done great damage to the UK since the days of Mrs T. There are other solutions and Labour's greatest folly has been not to try. Still, i'm an optimist at heart (just) and things can only get better (so to speak)! And there will be a HPC

I know of many on benefits and they are ALL working to! they are laughing at how easy the system is and i will not even start on people who are also involved in drugs etc, etc. Drive around some parts of really rough South London and look at the cars people are driving....Lexus 4WD....how do you think they afford these vehicles??. I go there every week to visit a friend and it is scary territory. These people are making a mint! i also know of high power businessmen who have excellent accountants to get them out of paying taxes. People do what they can to get by, and it is dog eat dog. In my view it is the hard workers in the middle who are well and truly stuffed.

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In my view it is the hard workers in the middle who are well and truly stuffed.

Hear, hear.

A lifetime of long hours and drudgery in return for nothing other than to support those who cheat the system, those who are just too plain lazy to bother, oh and of course to increase Tony Blair and Tessa Jowell's respective collections of properties, pay John Prescott's council taxes on all his sundry homes, and supply a cushy lifestyle and huge pensions to the vast and cumbersome ranks of the civil service.

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Sounds like a great lifestyle - doing nothing and living on benefits. But, you don't get much money, you don't live in luxury, and people I have met who were living on benefits were trying very hard to get out of the vicious circle.

Its been explained before, but the "burden" on British companies is less than almost any other country in the EU. If you want to work in a sweatshop style job, with no rights, no paid holidays, no health and safety regulations, then more fool you. However, millions of people in this country struggled for decades, no, centuries, to gain such "burdens" on business. That noted socialist, Winston churchill, once said that without regulation, the bad drive out the good, and the worst drive out the bad.

It takes a long, long time to change the mentality of a country, and labour's greatest failure was not to recognise, or to igmore, the desire for something better, rather than Thatcherism without some of the rough edges.

Speculation, short-termism, the power of capital over industry, obsession with the markets, all of these concepts have done great damage to the UK since the days of Mrs T. There are other solutions and Labour's greatest folly has been not to try. Still, i'm an optimist at heart (just) and things can only get better (so to speak)! And there will be a HPC

What a load of tripe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you a Civil Servant? Labour politician more like going by the rubbish I've just had the misfortune to read!

People like you make me sick to the point of breaking my lifetime run of non-violence!!

What planet are you living in? Or should I say what dimension?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well, I've never voted Labour in my life, (always Lib Dem or Green), but I'm actually proud that Labour introduced the minimum wage, transforming the lives of many. Will all you tories own up to wanting to get rid of it? (Oh and that's another thing, its always struck me as odd that so many of you are in IT and at the same time complain about wastage on IT projects)

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Gordon Brown is a complete ignoramous the way he has handled our economy....but oddly enough least of all when it comes to housing.....The housing situation is obviously a complete fiasco but the same situation would've come about whoever had been Chancellor...whether Labour or Tory...

The stealth taxes and increased public expenditure are idiotic...Employing a million extra public servants has not increased the service we're getting....Giving any department of government more money is like pouring money down a black hole......

The housing boom has prolonged the boom phase of the boom/bust cycle in the wider economy........i have no idea when the bust will come......Laurejon's 2007 is a possibility though.

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Sounds like a great lifestyle - doing nothing and living on benefits. But, you don't get much money, you don't live in luxury, and people I have met who were living on benefits were trying very hard to get out of the vicious circle.

Same as me then, only I work six days a week for the privelige of being skint.

Its been explained before, but the "burden" on British companies is less than almost any other country in the EU. If you want to work in a sweatshop style job, with no rights, no paid holidays, no health and safety regulations, then more fool you. However, millions of people in this country struggled for decades, no, centuries, to gain such "burdens" on business. That noted socialist, Winston churchill, once said that without regulation, the bad drive out the good, and the worst drive out the bad.

It makes no difference to me what's going on in "other EU countries", as I don't work there, I work in this country, and it's shyte.

In any case, nobody I know who worked in the much less regulated business world pre-labour (I was still at uni when they got in) has ever described it as a sweatshop to me - they all seem to think things were better back then, when you didn't have to spend 75% of your time filling out pointless forms or doing risk assesments before sharpening a pencil.

Nobody said there should be no regulation whatsoever, but be reasonable - do you really think that businesses can run effectively under the current regulatory burdens?

Yes?

In that case - are you an NHS pen-pusher who's job only exists because of the need for wasteful beauracracy and paperwork???

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Well, I've never voted Labour in my life, (always Lib Dem or Green), but I'm actually proud that Labour introduced the minimum wage, transforming the lives of many. Will all you tories own up to wanting to get rid of it? (Oh and that's another thing, its always struck me as odd that so many of you are in IT and at the same time complain about wastage on IT projects)

I've tended to associate tories with accountants, City gamblers, sorry bankers, who think they do anything remotely worthwhile (sooo much more important than teaching or socail work...) and, of course, estate agents.

I actually do work in the public sector now, but i spent the last 6 years in the private sector. Its not a matter of people working harder in the private sector, or cushy numbers and indexed-linked pensions in the public sector. Most people, everywhere, like to do a good job rather than a shoddy one, for self esteem, a sense of teamwork or whatever. Most people don't want to screw everybody else just to survive, and most people want some sense of purpose. Gordon Brown, and Labour, were right to recognise that the availability work does help people get out of poverty, and much else besides. Full employment as a target is good rather than intrinsically bad.

Now I prefer this sort of society to the harsher one in the USA, for example. I don't think a living wage, fair taxes or decent safety or environmental regulations qualify me for living in a parallel universe.

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Now I prefer this sort of society to the harsher one in the USA, for example. I don't think a living wage, fair taxes or decent safety or environmental regulations qualify me for living in a parallel universe.

FAIR TAXES!! ?

Parallel universe - you said it.

Can I move there please?

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I think we should leave Gordon alone - lets talk about John>

That is John Prescott - he is the man who knows best. He adds endless red tape and new regulations that add no value to anyone and destroys small businesses and peoples freedom.

What a team - Tony (I know best), Gordon (the finacial expert) and John (? )- well your guess is as good as mine.

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FAIR TAXES!! ?

Parallel universe - you said it.

Can I move there please?

Sorry, you're right. In another universe we should,

Increase top rate income tax to 50% for anyone on over £100k, reduce some of the indirect, stealth, taxes, close loopholes that allow bonuses in the City to be paid into offshore, and tax free accounts, ensure that News International and other vastly wealthy companies pay tax in the UK (NI don't pay anything at present). While we're about raising taxes, introduce the "Tobin" tax on capital speculation and start taxing aviation fuel and introduce higher taxes on people who own a a second, and third home.

Yes, the HSE are ridiculous when it comes to risk assessment (we've borrowed the US's litigation culture - yuck) and the police really should not waste time prosecuting 10 year old boys.

Finally, stop funding stupid FTB programmes and tighten credit a bit so that massive mortgages cannot be acquired. the market will fall as sure as night follows day and then we can build genuine social housing at much smaller cost.

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Sorry, you're right. In another universe we should,

Increase top rate income tax to 50% for anyone on over £100k, reduce some of the indirect, stealth, taxes, close loopholes that allow bonuses in the City to be paid into offshore, and tax free accounts, ensure that News International and other vastly wealthy companies pay tax in the UK (NI don't pay anything at present). While we're about raising taxes, introduce the "Tobin" tax on capital speculation and start taxing aviation fuel and introduce higher taxes on people who own a a second, and third home.

Yes, the HSE are ridiculous when it comes to risk assessment (we've borrowed the US's litigation culture - yuck) and the police really should not waste time prosecuting 10 year old boys.

Finally, stop funding stupid FTB programmes and tighten credit a bit so that massive mortgages cannot be acquired. the market will fall as sure as night follows day and then we can build genuine social housing at much smaller cost.

I have no problem with any of your tax proposals.

But, as I don't earn over £100k, get city bonuses or have an offshore account, don't even have a first home let alone a second or third one, and rarely travel by air, they won't make any difference to how much tax I pay.

Will the extra revenue raised from all of the above mean that the excessive tax burden on lower-middle class, average earners and small businesses will be reduced? If so, I will agree with you fully about something for the first time BrownBear.

No sorry, second time. I too think there will soon be a HPC.

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Sorry, you're right. In another universe we should,

Increase top rate income tax to 50% for anyone on over £100k, reduce some of the indirect, stealth, taxes, close loopholes that allow bonuses in the City to be paid into offshore, and tax free accounts, ensure that News International and other vastly wealthy companies pay tax in the UK (NI don't pay anything at present). While we're about raising taxes, introduce the "Tobin" tax on capital speculation and start taxing aviation fuel and introduce higher taxes on people who own a a second, and third home.

Typical NuLab approach to facts. News International UK and BSkyB do pay UK taxes, although Murdoch himself does not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/299543.stm

As for the rest, typical load of left wing *****. Taxes are all already about as high as it's possible to get them. Any further increases will just lead to increases in flight, fight and fraud with only marginal increases in revenue. The Tobin tax would be particularly suicidal as our financial services industry would be forced abroad.

Tax is a cancer.

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Increase top rate income tax to 50% for anyone on over £100k

That won't work - there just are not enough people who earn that sort off money to raise much from doing it. All you do is hammer the people who create the jobs.

The only way to raise lots of money is to tax the middle income earners who are on the standard rate anyway. Which is what he's doing with stealth taxes and letting fiscal drag pull more people into the standard and higher rate bands.

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