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its just started. a documentary about sheffield in 1973.

compare it to today.

I'm sure it just showed someone actually retiring!

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Guest Bart of Darkness

As someone who remembers Sheffield in 1973 (I was just a nipper though, honest) it was a fascinating experience to see what was almost a different city (with very much an industrial rather than service based economy). I've recorded it onto DVD to show a couple of (younger) friends, one of whom was born in 1973.

There were these strange guys though, dressed dark blue, going about in cars with "POLICE"" written on the side (or something like that) and sorting out problems.

What was that all about? :blink:

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yeah. i am sure a local bobby type thing told an oap he would be back many times to keep an eye on things for her. and didnt one of those tall black alien pointy hatted things tell those mischevious children to play on the park and not to ride the bike without brakes ?

who were they ?

they must have edited out the boozy night bit where people puke in the street and fight over fat girls that lift up the tops to reveal rather unappealling flabby breasts or the cheesestring of a cheap thong peeping over the denim butt parapet..

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they must have edited out the boozy night bit where people puke in the street and fight over fat girls that lift up the tops to reveal rather unappealling flabby breasts or the cheesestring of a cheap thong peeping over the denim butt parapet.

Sometimes these things need to be edited to stop them overruning the next show.

I'm sure that must be it. ;)

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and where were the fashion stocked streets, rushing, brushing texting dinnertime workers. and the large out of town tesco centres. the blasted town centre was full of sausage shoppers with baskets, families and cheap buses. and why was that bloke retiring. surely he should have been on incapacity benefit. wheres his pride ??

where were the hoodies.

send in the hoodies....there already here.....

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I like these sort of threads. I'm only old enough to remember the tail end of the 70s. I clearly remember when Thatcher got in though - maybe that was the beginning of, or the catalyst for, the loss of social cohesion and civil society that is lamented here. The transformation, for the worse, in so many aspects of society in the UK since the 70s (let alone the 50s or the pre-war years) is striking, and only truly appreciated by delving back into archival material such as this programme.

There have been many threads here about the demographic good fortune enjoyed by the baby boomers in terms of being able to buy property cheaply, climb the ladder and have their mortgages inflated away etc. But consider also how fortunate that generation was to be born after the turbulent war years and then enjoy the 50s, 60s and 70s in their formative years. Lucky bas!ards, they got to watch the Moon landings and Pink Floyd!

I'm posting this at around 5am UK time, but I'm actually working in Singapore at the moment. It might be 30C+ every day here, but it's great to have a change from grim, chav-infested, hoodie-ridden London...

Keep up the rants RFD.

Edited by PhilT

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the only bad thing about the 70's was the fashion and mainstream music - Mud? Dave, dee, Dozy Mick & Titch? :blink:

And the lack of electricity, the strikes, the drought, the unburied dead in the winter of discontent, the racism and several thousand other reasons.

The 70's were great - get real. Stop using rose tinted spectacles.

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And the lack of electricity, the strikes, the drought, the unburied dead in the winter of discontent, the racism and several thousand other reasons.

The 70's were great - get real. Stop using rose tinted spectacles.

Well people were a lot happier, they actually had smiles on their faces. Are you another one who gets your info by reading about it and not living it as an adult. Read Chronicle of The 20th Century compare the 70s with the 80s and see the true hell. At least in the 70s people could afford good affordable housing, had decent medical treatment, free education at all levels, fairly low crime in comparison with today, and many had job security and stability in their lives.

Today I look with my rose tinted spectacles and everything I see is black.

BTW how old are you IS.

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Well people were a lot happier, they actually had smiles on their faces. Are you another one who gets your info by reading about it and not living it as an adult. Read Chronicle of The 20th Century compare the 70s with the 80s and see the true hell. At least in the 70s people could afford good affordable housing, had decent medical treatment, free education at all levels, fairly low crime in comparison with today, and many had job security and stability in their lives.

Today I look with my rose tinted spectacles and everything I see is black.

BTW how old are you IS.

40.

I remember the end of the 70's fairly well. Not that personal experiences can ever give a true picture of the economy as a whole.

I think within each decade there were good periods and bad periods. It's too simplistic to state categorically that "the 70's" were some sort of economic wonderland.

Edited by Ignorant Steve

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They weren't an 'economic wonderland' by any means. People generally had less (remember how many cars on the road in 1973? I do!). But they were happier for it and that's the point.

As a youngster back then we wanted to be pilots, train drivers, soldiers - not accountants, marketing consultants, popstars. Noone even thought about being 'rich' or 'famous'; only those who went to public school.

They were much gentler times - sure, if you wanted a punchup you could head down the terraces on a Saturday. But generally people had a lot more respect for each other than they do now (not sure a lot of young people even properly understand the word 'respect', as they seem to think it's something that's given at the end of a barrel of a pointed gun). And the innocent weren't routinely targetted by common thugs (of both sexes it has to be said) such as they are now.

My father retired in 1986 and he saw the change in the 1980s as to how people conducted themselves in the workplace and was not sad to leave. The rise of the pushy Gordon Gekko 'lunch is for wimps' types and the corresponding decline in integrity, patience, understanding and other such qualities that separate the developed human being from - well, the tosser I guess.

If you're 25ish or under you will have never known the world any other way, but i'm glad I was young when I was.

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I give up.

The seventies were a decade of polite, happy smiling people. Who didn't have a worry in the world.

In fact they were so happy, balanced and caring that they cheerfully sidestepped the unburied corpses and the rat infested rubbish bags. It must have been the enforced candlelight family bonding sessions earlier in the decade that created such a caring population.

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The 70s were crap.

Late 80s/early 90s we had Betty Boo and the Happy Mondays. Plus the A-Team, The Tripods, Thundercats, and Mr Benn. When at home we could play on our Spectrum +2. Plus, more recently we won the rugby world cup.

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I give up.

The seventies were a decade of polite, happy smiling people. Who didn't have a worry in the world.

In fact they were so happy, balanced and caring that they cheerfully sidestepped the unburied corpses and the rat infested rubbish bags. It must have been the enforced candlelight family bonding sessions earlier in the decade that created such a caring population.

You are right in what you say IG, two women [life long freinds] each of them hanging for dear life onto opposite ends of the only loaf left in the shop, me bring hostilites to an end by cutting said loaf in half. [Wagon drivers Strike]

But there again so is mpd, I remember both aspects.......ha ....happy happy...scab scab days :D

Edited by Catch22

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There is still plenty of scope for community and "togetherness", I "feel the love" in many situations (rugby club, church, down the pub after work etc etc). But cohesiveness at a great level is discouraged or even suppressed I think.

There's been large stretches of the large 20 years when having a union jack on your car would mean that you were a BNP supporter, ffs. Plus I do think that the tension between the free market and the welfare state has created lots of paradoxes and disharmony.

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Apparently 1976 was the best on record for quality of life.

RichM, I will see your Tripods and Thundercats and raise you Marine Boy, quality Doctor Who and Blake's 7.

It's still a shame they never finished Tripods though.

And if memory serves, aren't you a bit of a young 'un to be criticising the 70s?

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Apparently 1976 was the best on record for quality of life.

RichM, I will see your Tripods and Thundercats and raise you Marine Boy, quality Doctor Who and Blake's 7.

It's still a shame they never finished Tripods though.

And if memory serves, aren't you a bit of a young 'un to be criticising the 70s?

Yeah, I'm 26. I just don't buy the idea that people were living like the Amish in "Witness" (another great 80s movie ;) ) then suddenly became greedy money-grabbers. These things are swings and roundabouts. Greed has been around forever.

I expect that people fed up with the socialist excesses of the 60s and 70s revelled in the relative freedom of the 80s. Of course, in the 90s we all got concerned with "lifestyle" and being touchy-feely, and the plight of the poor, and whales, and pandas, and all the rest. Then in 2009 people got fed up with the government taking all their money and being in NE, so they hungered for someone to sort it all out...

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Apparently 1976 was the best on record for quality of life.

RichM, I will see your Tripods and Thundercats and raise you Marine Boy, quality Doctor Who and Blake's 7.

It's still a shame they never finished Tripods though.

And if memory serves, aren't you a bit of a young 'un to be criticising the 70s?

1976!

too hot in the summer......Harold Wilson resigned like a rat escaping a sinking ship and Chancellor Healey had to go cap in hand to the to the IMF for a loan..........British economy was pants vis a vis Germany and Japan who at the time seemd to have found economic nirvana......and Viv Richards and the West indies slaughtered us at cricket...............

Oddest stat about 1976 they came up with in the newspaper articles when the survey came out was that only 50% of households had a telephone!.......and there were no mobiles of course

Edited by Michael

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RichM, I will see your Tripods and Thundercats and raise you Marine Boy, quality Doctor Who and Blake's 7.

It's still a shame they never finished Tripods though.

Marine Boy??? Doctor Who was often rubbish, though I do literally remember watching it sat on the stairs of our pokey 3-bed terrace in Romford, c.1986, quietly crapping myself. The new series is tat. Blake's 7, hmm, might recognise it.

Joe 90 was good, based on the VHS recordings.

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Marine Boy???

Take a gander at the heroic visage peering out from my avatar.

and there were no mobiles of course

Heaven on Earth.

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You are right in what you say IG, two women [life long freinds] each of them hanging for dear life onto opposite ends of the only loaf left in the shop, me bring hostilites to an end by cutting said loaf in half. [Wagon drivers Strike]

But there again so is mpd, I remember both aspects.......ha ....happy happy...scab scab days :D

Well you were lucky then. I had to step over the unburied corpses in the streets, fight off the rats in the piled up rubbish, sit night after night in darkness, and forced to pay £17.95k for a poxy 4 bed detached house with HPI running at minus 13%. How I could not wait for the 80s to come, made redundant at 37, told I was past it, and survived by becoming self employed. On top of that the music was crap. :P

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