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In my preparations to deal with HMO licensing, I've come across an unexpected and what I feel is a strange rule. It may or may not be enforced I guess. But it seems that the ODPM has decided that in HMO's, there should be a single basin for each household in the property.

What that means is a basin (bathroom sink) for every person or couple. Which inevitably means putting a basin in some bedrooms to boost the number in each property.

For bedsits in very large HMO's, I can appreciate the idea. But for the standard shared house, where there are say 4 or 5 bedrooms and 2 or 3 bathrooms, I can't see that there is any need at all.

What do you think (as most of you are tenants)? Would you rather have space in your room, or a basin?

Edited by Time to raise the rents.

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We tenants don't need to wash don't you know.

But if you would be kind enough to provide a little fresh straw in case we miss the chamber pot in the middle of the night.

Thanking ye Milord.

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For bedsits in very large HMO's, I can appreciate the idea. But for the standard shared house, where there are say 4 or 5 bedrooms and 2 or 3 bathrooms, I can't see that there is any need at all.

I am inclined to agree. If you have a ratio of something like 1 bathroom for every 2-3 bedrooms, I can't see the need for every room to have a sink, although it might prove to be a helpful selling point.

As a student I did rent a room in a large house (8 bedrooms), where every room had a basin. There were two bathrooms in the house, and although having a little basin was nice, I hardly felt it was necessary.

The only thing I would be wary of is bedrooms vs inhabitants. I did share a 3 bed with only one bathroom. That was fine, but if all three of us had partners staying over, it could be problematic - effectively one bathroom between 6.

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I put the bit in about hating Landlords as a joke, but it seems many of you really are just pathetic tenants who feel others (landlords) should take care of your life for you.

If you want a basin for yourself, rent a 1 bedroom flat.

I believe in letting the market decide. If BTL is encouraged, there will be voids & tenants can negotiate for extras. If BTL is discouraged, there will be a shortage of property & tenants will have no negotiating power. Is that price worth a basin?

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I put the bit in about hating Landlords as a joke, but it seems many of you really are just pathetic tenants who feel others (landlords) should take care of your life for you.

pathetic poll might be a contributing factor to the type of response you get

you seem a little bitter today, too much red tape spoiling the smooth running of your business?

Edited by Sisyphus

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I put the bit in about hating Landlords as a joke, but it seems many of you really are just pathetic tenants who feel others (landlords) should take care of your life for you.

The TTRTR charm offensive continues!

I actually think that landlords should be made to spend much, much more on their properties. Here's something that two jags could really get his teeth into:

  • Power showers for everyone!

  • Compulsory flat screen TV!

  • New mattresses twice yearly!

  • Repaint every 18 months!

  • New kitchen every 3 years to prevent spead of bird flu or some othe phantom illness!

  • etc etc

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Another proposal by the ODPM. Disabled tenants should be allowed to make whatever alteration they like to a property to make it fit for them to live in.

So you do a viewing with a disabled person. They tell you the changes they'll be making, you say no to alterations to YOUR property, so they scream DISCRIMINATION against disabled people & a prosecution errupts.

This amounts to a removal of property rights & lenders won't stand for that (ie they'll withdraw from BTL).

Labour really are a weird govt & I really am sorry that you voted for them & I think eventually you'll be sorry too.

The TTRTR charm offensive continues!

I actually think that landlords should be made to spend much, much more on their properties. Here's something that two jags could really get his teeth into:

  • Power showers for everyone!
  • Compulsory flat screen TV!
  • New mattresses twice yearly!
  • Repaint every 18 months!
  • New kitchen every 3 years to prevent spead of bird flu or some othe phantom illness!
  • etc etc

You forget, a cleaner for you. After all, you're a consumer, you go ahead and consume. We'll produce. You will pay for it I hope you realise.

pathetic poll might be a contributing factor to the type of response you get

you seem a little bitter today, too much red tape spoiling the smooth running of your business?

You got it.

Anything that is an attempt to turn a house into a hotel or reduce my right to decide what I present to the rental market is WRONG IMO.

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personally i think a basin is overkill.... IMO the HMO rules will split the HMO market landlords will drop shared houses to 4 sharers so thay dont need to be licenced. But the larger houses will make all the required changes and pay for a licence because they will be able to absorb the extra cost.

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You got it.

Anything that is an attempt to turn a house into a hotel or reduce my right to decide what I present to the rental market is WRONG IMO.

Maybe wrong but that's the way it's headed. I expect tenancy laws across Europe will eventually be harmonised or at least move in the same direction hence being a landlord will become more and more time consuming and less attractive to the "get rich quick brigade". Best jump ship before it's too late. :D

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I'd rather have the space, than a basin that is neither use nor ornament. En-suite is different kettle of fish.

Another daft governmental rule. It should be at least 1 toilet and shower for every 4 bedrooms.

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This amounts to a removal of property rights & lenders won't stand for that (ie they'll withdraw from BTL).

We can only hope so!! :D

Seriously though, this is a bit overkill. Must people will probably just use them as a toilet when they get drunk the night before.

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What do you think (as most of you are tenants)? Would you rather have space in your room, or a basin?

We seem to have an excess of bathrooms and basins in our rented house.

Just as well because it enables our landlord (who is much poorer than us) to drop by for the occasional bath.

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Labour really are a weird govt & I really am sorry that you voted for them & I think eventually you'll be sorry too.

Yes, because we're just sooooooo pro-Labour on this forum aren't we? Especially (Red) RichM - he's a right raving socialist :rolleyes:

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I can’t understand why landlords should be so indisposed to having their properties modified for disabled facilities as these alterations are made at someone else’s expense. Who in their right mind would refuse a walk in shower, for instance, adding value to their asset.

Surely, this helps make the property more desirable and ready to open up letting to other disabled people.

I think the disabled make excellent tenants because in my experience these people respect and value their environment.

In Brighton we have landlords who do their best to help others not so fortunate as themselves. I can think of two

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This amounts to a removal of property rights & lenders won't stand for that (ie they'll withdraw from BTL).

I missed this bit.

Reduction in BTL loans => fewer BTL buyers.

We've already had a massive reduction in FTBers.

err ... who's left to offer the asking prices now?

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Trouble is with this country if you try and run a business like this the powers that be will start their own business in running your business, this gives them the future business to ensure future pensions and all sorts of luxuries for their mates........

Personally i think they will screw multiple landlords to the floor on issues regarding minorities, cant have too many amateurs in charge of things like living standards for the vulnerable in our society...... And it wont just be free advice either......

Oh well, never mind eh....

Edited by keepwatching

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Maybe wrong but that's the way it's headed. I expect tenancy laws across Europe will eventually be harmonised or at least move in the same direction hence being a landlord will become more and more time consuming and less attractive to the "get rich quick brigade". Best jump ship before it's too late. :D

Wait until the EU bureaucrats discover this exciting opportunity...

Edited by Cinnamon

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When developments are turned over to housing associations is there a requirement to provide a percentage with disabled access and facilities ?????

Edited by keepwatching

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As a student tenant in HMO we always found basins in bedrooms absolutely essential time-saving infrastructure, especially in the middle of the night.

I chose not to mention the main use made of my basin during my residence in such a property...

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Trouble is with this country if you try and run a business like this the powers that be will start their own business in running your business, this gives them the future business to ensure future pensions and all sorts of luxuries for their mates........

I think people will look back on buying to let as the profitable little scam of the early 2000's - a window of opportunity that closed as quickly as it opened, good while it lasted and then everyone moved on.

Edited by Sisyphus

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