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They are really attempting to dominate the FTB news space on the web and what answers do they have? None other than ban HIPS and free up more land for building, so long as it`s not yours or your landed gentry in bred family eh Mr. Cameron :angry: Kirsty :o what the fook is that all about :huh: Right I`m offski, I havn`t got a punch bag like Sam, a run in the wind and rain should sort me out ;)

http://news.google.com/news?ie=UTF-8&oe=ut...rst+time+buyers

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"We would also tackle the disparity between the demand for new houses and the supply and review the whole planning system to ensure that local people are more directly involved in shaping the future of their communities..." Mr Cameron added.

Call me cynical but would you translate 'ensure that local people are more directly involved...' as 'we'll let the NIMBY's object to building schemes but pretend to support FTB's'?

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Kirsty Allsopp said: "It has never been tougher for young people to buy their first home. Stepping on to the property ladder is everyone's dream - but increasingly it remains a dream, as the reality becomes more and more expensive. The Conservative Party is making the right moves to make things easier for young people trying to get a start in life. After years of talking about things which seem irrelevant to young people, they are beginning to focus on what matters. And they are listening to people who understand the needs of first time buyers. It's a breath of fresh air after years of a government which seems to talk about the heartache and difficulties of buying your first home, but doesn't seem to act to address the problem - and sometimes just makes matters worse."

Krusty loves us, she wants to help us :lol::D:P:( :angry:

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Converted Lurker..

You know, there is a saying you are born socialist and die conservative. I suspect you are young and unwilling to take an open minded look at the effects of Labour policy. Reflect for a moment on:

house prices

pensions

health care

employment contracts

Who are the main beneficiaries of high house prices, state and final salary pensions, once totally free health and dental care, and the favourable emlpoyment contracts of yesteryear? You guessed it, those over 45. And who pays a disproportionate amount of the 'cost', you guessed it again, those under 45. And folks what would you guess is the age of the average MP or Law Lord or Judge?

Never look a gifthorse in the mouth, Cameron may well be young enough to see the inequity created by Labour who favour public services over enterprise and the old over the young - a dangersous cocktail that will led to emmigration on a grand scale.

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Converted Lurker..

You know, there is a saying you are born socialist and die conservative. I suspect you are young and unwilling to take an open minded look at the effects of Labour policy. Reflect for a moment on:

house prices

pensions

health care

employment contracts

Who are the main beneficiaries of high house prices, state and final salary pensions, once totally free health and dental care, and the favourable emlpoyment contracts of yesteryear? You guessed it, those over 45. And who pays a disproportionate amount of the 'cost', you guessed it again, those under 45. And folks what would you guess is the age of the average MP or Law Lord or Judge?

Never look a gifthorse in the mouth, Cameron may well be young enough to see the inequity created by Labour who favour public services over enterprise and the old over the young - a dangersous cocktail that will led to emmigration on a grand scale.

I have got to the stage where I am prepared to sit back and not vote and let someone who almost certainly stinks just as bad but knows how to wield a can of air freshener take up to post, just so that I can spend the next 7 years watching the can run out.

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Hrm, Cameron along with Kirsty Allsopp visited an 'affordable housing' scheme today, unfortunately it was to promote the virtues of part ownership of some high density slum plastered with s.106 requirements in the middle of brownfield mess. This is exactly the sort of crap we don't need, these buildings are the consequence of vested interests and nimbyism within the planning system, they do not represent what people actually want to live in, just as the brutalist towerblocks we are pulling down did not represent peoples' desires 40 years ago.

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Never look a gifthorse in the mouth, Cameron may well be young enough to see the inequity created by Labour who favour public services over enterprise and the old over the young - a dangersous cocktail that will led to emmigration on a grand scale.

It always gives me a wry smile when Brown talks about enterprise in this country :-

Business start-ups show sharp fall

The number of new businesses launched in the UK last year saw the sharpest fall in a decade as concerns over economic slowdown held back entrepreneurs, new figures have revealed.

According to research by the UK's third-largest bank, Barclays, 388,300 businesses launched in the UK in 2005, 13 per cent down on the previous year's total of 446,500.

This downturn was particularly pronounced during the first half of last year, with the number of start-ups down by almost a quarter on the first six months of 2004.

I always found it hard to appreciate the circumstances of hyperinflation in the 70's and why doctors and many good people left for America due to the tax and falling standards in the UK, I now understand what drove them away, apparently net tax take as a percentage of GDP is now greater than when Healey made the pips squeak back then :lol: And we have quite a nasty authoritarian state apparatus today, something Healey or Orwell could only dream of.

Jeremy Warner's Outlook: The private sector is being squeezed until the pips squeak. No wonder we are G7 laggards

If further proof were needed of the squeeze being put on the private sector by high levels of government spending, it's there in spades in the latest labour figures. The claimant count is now rising at its fastest rate since the recession of the early 1990s, with quite substantial job losses being recorded in manufacturing, retail, restaurants, hotels and catering. The only areas showing any notable gain are the public sector and the City, the latter of which is largely unrelated to the ups and downs of the domestic economy.

These are deeply worrying trends, and as the Chancellor scrapes the bottom of the barrel in his search for new sources of revenue to feed the public sector's apparently insatiable appetite for money, they should act as the gravest possible warning.

Steady as she goes until we ignore all the warnings and hit crisis mode, that's how these things happen. I shall watch from afar as I'm planning to leave the UK.

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Whereabouts are you thinking of going BB?

I might have the chance of transferring offices to Paris later on this year.... Must admit I'm severely tempted to watch the UK market from a bit further away.

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Don`t forget it was Mrs T who introduced `Right to Buy` in a cynical political move to attract voters whilst prohibiting Local Authorities to re build social housing with the monies raised.

This, in my view, created a bottle neck at the lower end of the housing market and stoked the fire which has led to the present bubble.

It would appear Mr Cameron has a short memory.

Well done Mrs T.

Her tactics certainly rewarded her on board the` Political Gravy Train`. She didn`t do too badly for herself did she?

h.

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Whereabouts are you thinking of going BB?

I might have the chance of transferring offices to Paris later on this year.... Must admit I'm severely tempted to watch the UK market from a bit further away.

I'm not really tied to any one place so I can shop around, which is precisely why I'm asking myself why the UK deserves our custom, a number of my mates have already left on overseas contracts after they graduated, obviously they were a lot smarter than me! :D

I'm going to take a look around Alsace or set something up in Estonia, I have a friend who works out there and the state goes out of its way to actively encourage rather than pi$$ off companies, you see clusters of places like Skype that runs its development out of there.

Given that many parts of the UK now have a state sector larger than that of the Eastern Bloc before the fall of the wall, with public services to match, you'd really have to pull the short straw not to improve upon that.

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Don`t forget it was Mrs T who introduced `Right to Buy` in a cynical political move to attract voters whilst prohibiting Local Authorities to re build social housing with the monies raised.

This, in my view, created a bottle neck at the lower end of the housing market and stoked the fire which has led to the present bubble.

It would appear Mr Cameron has a short memory.

I'm not sure if we can blame any one event, these are long running problems that have built up over decades, there are many factors driving the undersupply in this country, I've been over this before. There's an unholy alliance of reactionary nimby's and tree-huggers in this country, the individual politics doesn't come into it but the outcome is the same.

Private builders are incapable of producing enough houses to satisfy household formation levels without being asked to take on the burden of building public stock, and local authorities built just 133 houses combined in 2004.

However, this doesn't affect the majority of people in this country so it's not really a political issue, the nasty consequences will exhibit themselves around 2020, so it doesn't really matter.

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Converted Lurker..

You know, there is a saying you are born socialist and die conservative. I suspect you are young and unwilling to take an open minded look at the effects of Labour policy. Reflect for a moment on:

house prices

pensions

health care

employment contracts

Who are the main beneficiaries of high house prices, state and final salary pensions, once totally free health and dental care, and the favourable emlpoyment contracts of yesteryear? You guessed it, those over 45. And who pays a disproportionate amount of the 'cost', you guessed it again, those under 45. And folks what would you guess is the age of the average MP or Law Lord or Judge?

Never look a gifthorse in the mouth, Cameron may well be young enough to see the inequity created by Labour who favour public services over enterprise and the old over the young - a dangersous cocktail that will led to emmigration on a grand scale.

You patronising ***** :angry: I said at the outset it wasn`t a politically motivated post and then you make it so..Tory boy :P For the record, I am a very young looking 40 yr old B)

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The back-tracking has begun :-

But, a spokeswoman for the Conservative party said Mr Cameron's comments were consistent with the party's long-term policy on homebuilding.

"When he talks about building new homes he is not saying they should be built on green belt land," she said.

"We've always said that yes we need more homes, but there are areas of brown field land and areas in city centres that could be developed. We should be talking about building homes here."

That's basically what Labour are already doing, their policy of rabbit hutches on postage stamps. Wave goodbye to your remaining playing fields, parks, allotments or any other remaining green space in your town designated as 'brown field'. We must preserve useless scrubland in the middle of nowhere at all costs, so lets destroy what remains in the city, the CPRE don't give two hoots about that.

Oh well, nice try but nimbies run this country and occupy all sections of the establishment, and the conservative party in particular, one can only hope this way of thinking will die off along with the rest of the party.

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The back-tracking has begun :-

That's basically what Labour are already doing, their policy of rabbit hutches on postage stamps. Wave goodbye to your remaining playing fields, parks, allotments or any other remaining green space in your town designated as 'brown field'. We must preserve useless scrubland in the middle of nowhere at all costs, so lets destroy what remains in the city, the CPRE don't give two hoots about that.

Oh well, nice try but nimbies run this country and occupy all sections of the establishment, and the conservative party in particular, one can only hope this way of thinking will die off along with the rest of the party.

WE'RE DOOMED :( Who is left?

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You patronising ***** :angry: I said at the outset it wasn`t a politically motivated post and then you make it so..Tory boy :P For the record, I am a very young looking 40 yr old B)

I may have intended to be patronising but I am not a *****! Read my post a little more carefully and you will see my definition of young and old is <=45 and >45. These ages are based on the Turner report conclusions on pensions.

And btw if the tories do make you want to 'vomit' them please do so over Gordon Brown (I dont mean that to be political of course!)

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The Tories pronouncement on affordable housing is just one of many opportunistic 'policy' statements since the oily public schoolboys (Cameron and Osborne) took over. They seem to believe in nothing and are almost indistinguishable from New Labour

Im afraid the Lib Dems are the only people with anything useful to say about the housing problem and the growing levels of personal debt. They are also very likely to be in power as part of a coalition after the next election as the Tories can't win due to the electoral system and people will have had enough of new Labour by then. Ming Campbell for PM - at least he's not a slimy ex public schoolboy!

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Im afraid the Lib Dems [...] are also very likely to be in power as part of a coalition after the next election as the Tories can't win due to the electoral system

How do you figure that out? I was under the impression that first-past-the-post (FPTP) favoured Lab and Con over LibDem.

I think the Tories could easily win next time. Imagine: it is 2010, the economy has imploded, there have been major crises in public services, the war in Iraq has become a nightmare with thousands of British dead, Brown is in power but the press has turned on him. Cameron is the new, untainted leader with the gleaming smile.

frugalista

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The FPTP system is biased towards Labour - but screws the Tories because their votes are concentrated in a limited number of constituencies in the south. The Tories hardly exist in most of the country. In 2005 the Tories got 1 MP for every 41,000 people who voted for them - the figure for Labour was only 28,000!

As the attached briefing explains the Tories would have needed an 11% lead over Labour in the 2005 general election to get a majority - that ain't gonna happen in 2010! Labour got a majority of over 60 with a lead of just 3%

http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/publica...al%20system.pdf

There are only 3 realistic outcomes at the next election - a Labour majority or a Tory/Lib Dem or Labour/Lib Dem coalition! The more people see of Ming Campbell - honest, statesmanlike and with a bit of class - the more I think the Lib Dems will hold their own against Cameron's party which has lost all sense of principle!

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Well, I have been thinking about this, and the electorial system. The labour party has only 250,000 members. Thats a tiny amount compared to what it had before. Hence the utter corruption as they sell off democracy to get over bankruptcy as it cannot fund itself from its membership, and has to turn to big business and corrupt practices.

If you split the 250,000 members over 650 seats, they have an average of just 385 members per constituancy - most of them will be increasingly disillusioned mere card holders, which leaves little more than the MPs extended family and a smattering of activists!

Many members of the nu-conservative party are also now deciding spin and style over substance just will not cut it.

There is ample room for a new poltical party unaffected by the corruption and sleeze to emerge addressing issues like housebuilding and planning, taxes and small businesses etc... if it can build up its membership. The example of the UKIP attracting millions of votes (and holding 10% of the membership of Nu Labour but prob. more activists) shows the demand out there for a change in the system.

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Im afraid the Lib Dems are the only people with anything useful to say about the housing problem and the growing levels of personal debt.

And they're in league with the tree-huggers like FoE who in turn are in league with reactionaries like the CPRE. It's completely hopeless, the nimbies have free reign whatever the outcome, that's why they currently have a Labour government doing their bidding.

It will be the same regardless of the hue of government because nimbies form the establishment.

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The example of the UKIP attracting millions of votes (and holding 10% of the membership of Nu Labour but prob. more activists) shows the demand out there for a change in the system.

UKIP attracting millions of votes? No way!

605,973 at the last election http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/html/scoreboard.stm

Anyway, I thought you were BNP.Or are you promoting UKIP as BNP-Lite?

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Krusty loves us, she wants to help us :lol::D:P:( :angry:

I bet you any money Ms. Allsopp will become a Conservative politician of some kind within ten years.

Aristocratic background -- telegenic -- politically active -- well known -- willing to spin where expediency demands.

She has all the right qualities.

frugalista

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UKIP attracting millions of votes? No way!

At the Euro elections yes. This is their forte and their weakness is local elections where the EU isn't a relevant matter apart from metric vs imperial signposts.

Contrary to what some say, UKIP are not a party of the affluent suburbs and shires. They managed to save their deposit in these urban constituencies:

Wolverhampton South East

Manchester Blackley

Birmingham Ladywood

Nottingham North

Interestingly enough, they didn't contest any of them in 2001.

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I bet you any money Ms. Allsopp will become a Conservative politician of some kind within ten years.

Aristocratic background -- telegenic -- politically active -- well known -- willing to spin where expediency demands.

She has all the right qualities.

frugalista

Ms. Arsedropp and her banal tv progs keeps coming back like a turd you can't flush. They return again & again in similar form, just more watered down.

As Richard Pryor said about unflushables 'when that turd comes back again, what does it want ? '

In this case, I think your right, she wants a political career.

Given her knowledge of economics, maybe she should persue a banking career as she appears to prefer PiePal ;)

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