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I was working it out. In 1992 I bought my house for £27k, my salary was starting at 10k.

If I was to buy the same house today it would cost me 110k, with my salary now at 22k, same job, I wouldn't be able to afford it, with council tax doubling, NI and all the other stealth taxes, I realise that we were better off under the Tories. I have always been labour. I now HATE labour, all they have done is let asylum terrorist scum in, this is why house prices have risen, in my opinion, our taxes pay for this. They are not socialists , if there is such a word. My vote now goes to the right!

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Hmm, second post saying tories good - tory hq got some manky plan to give itself good publicity by posting on the net? Unfortunately we remember the reality of the tories - the complacent, corrupt, I'm-alright-Jack cronyism, the massive credit boom, the vast national asset-stripping - and that's just scratching the surface. The tories started this shit, for heaven's sake - Blair is their monster. Like many of my generation I will never, ever vote Tory. (I will also now never, ever vote Labour.) So if you are a tory lackie pack your bags and go away. <_<

p.s. Houses were affordable? Right. My brother ended up in negative equity and consequently in a right horrible mess when he was trying to start out in life - all under the tories - so you can forget about the rewrite of history.

(edit) p.p.s. Asylum terrorist scum? You evil racist piece of crap - typical effing tory. I can't tell you how much I despise you.

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Hmm, second post saying tories good - tory hq got some manky plan to give itself good publicity by posting on the net? Unfortunately we remember the reality of the tories - the complacent, corrupt, I'm-alright-Jack cronyism, the massive credit boom, the vast national asset-stripping - and that's just scratching the surface. The tories started this shit, for heaven's sake - Blair is their monster. Like many of my generation I will never, ever vote Tory. (I will also now never, ever vote Labour.) So if you are a tory lackie pack your bags and go away. <_<

p.s. Houses were affordable? Right. My brother ended up in negative equity and consequently in a right horrible mess when he was trying to start out in life - all under the tories - so you can forget about the rewrite of history.

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Hmm, second post saying tories good - tory hq got some manky plan to give itself good publicity by posting on the net? Unfortunately we remember the reality of the tories - the complacent, corrupt, I'm-alright-Jack cronyism, the massive credit boom, the vast national asset-stripping - and that's just scratching the surface. The tories started this shit, for heaven's sake - Blair is their monster. Like many of my generation I will never, ever vote Tory. (I will also now never, ever vote Labour.) So if you are a tory lackie pack your bags and go away. <_<

p.s. Houses were affordable? Right. My brother ended up in negative equity and consequently in a right horrible mess when he was trying to start out in life - all under the tories - so you can forget about the rewrite of history.

well said, NLRG. Gordon Brown might have made a fool of himself saying "no more boom and bust" but I'd challenge anyone to have kept control of an asset bubble as massive as this one. And IMO the main driver was the sheer greed and speculation of ordinary people - fuelled by property programmes and the delusion that they can get rich on no work and cheap laminate flooring. The Tories would have been no better than Labour if they'd been in power during the past few years.

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I remember the bleak days of Thatcher too, and I really did used to have a lot of socialist values!

However, as I have gotten older I have realised what a greedy society we have all become, irrespective of political background. So in my opinion you wont beat them, so you may as well join them. You are a long time dead!

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the cycles are still prominent under any government and now the cycle is bigger, this would probably been the case under whichever goverment we are under.

"Less verbal abuse is required and racism should be kept to yourself however deep your emotions" keep the decorum folks ;)

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well said, NLRG. Gordon Brown might have made a fool of himself saying "no more boom and bust" but I'd challenge anyone to have kept control of an asset bubble as massive as this one. And IMO the main driver was the sheer greed and speculation of ordinary people - fuelled by property programmes and the delusion that they can get rich on no work and cheap laminate flooring. The tories woudl have been no better than Labour if they'd been in power the past few years.

Also, as I just mentioned on another thread. The Tories were responsible for trashing social housing by selling off council housing and banning councils from using the money to buy or build more, for relaxing credit controls, for getting rid of assured tenancies and thereby shifting the law in the landlord.s favour (a huge contribution to the way people now look at BTL).

No matter how much you hate Blair or Brown don't forget the Tories had a huge hand in kicking all this off.

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I've never been a Labour voter, as I've always seen them as a party who make heavy-handed use of the State to achieve goals.

That said, as they at least make noises about helping the common man in the face of injustice they were a lesser-of-two-evils compared to the Tories who were full of anti-Big Government rhetoric while clamping down on centuries-old British liberties, defending the priveledged at every turn, giving well-off middle-class parents big handouts in the form of assisted places (the 'poor' kids on this oddball scheme were revealed to be barely non-existent), gleefully undermining the UK's industrial base, giving rise to the hollowed-out economy built soley on financial money-shuffling, bribing multinationals with millions upon millions of public funds to set up factories in the UK with no compensation when said companies buggered off. And so on and so forth.

So the two main parties are BOTH 'on your back' parties, BOTH crony-capitalists, peas in a pod. Anyone who is enthusiastic about that Eton-educated lives-in-a-bubble twonk Cameron is deluded if they think he will improve their lot.

The Lib Dems aren't too much better, but their 'liberal' credentials are more honest than the Tories who, as I have said, only posture as anti-statists when it suits them. The Libs, while advocating higher taxes for the rich, actually want to CUT the tax burden for millions of ordinary people.

I've always said the biggest loser under Labour is 'Mr or Ms Median' - the folks earning 15-25k, taxed disproportionately, hardly able to buy or even rent in most regions, hardly able to live within their means, not eligable for social housing or any state welfare at all (if they don't have kids).

These are the people whose lifestyles in some cases have become worse than benefits claiments, the people who seldom trouble the law and order system, the people who pay up and shut up. The very poor qualify for help, the middle/upper-middle income groups might moan and groan but aren't too badly off - it's Mr and Ms Median who are being screwed into the ground.

As Mr and Ms Median make up two thirds of the population i have no idea why the main parties seem to spend their time throwing scraps to the very poor and sucking up to the rich. Get the Median worker happy and you could rule forever!

As it stands, the 10k-12k worker has a better chance of making themselves better offer by, perversely, becoming poorer and claiming benefits. If they could feel a real boost by working up to a medianish wage (becoming a supervisor, doing a course to get the skills for a median paying job, working their way up, etc) it would be very good for society as most people would have incentive to get on in life, rather than be faced with the overwhelming futility of it all.

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I have to say, that it is very true some of what you say.

If you are of the inclination that you do not want to work for a living, then it is quite correct that Labour have secured your future in this country. If you are a criminal, then for sure you are far better off under labour, you can be sure off a lenient sentence, and in some cases let out after 15months for murder.

If you are a terrorist, posing as an Assylum Seeker, or indeed an international Criminal, then for sure under Labour you have much less chance of being identified.

If you are a pervert, then under labour for sure you are much better off.

If you enjoy kicking the living daylights out of old grannies for their savings, then for sure a vote for Labour is the right direction.

If you are so corrupt yourself, you see no problem in businessmen handing over a few million to the party for planning permission, or indeed a peerage, then for sure you would vote labour.

And finally, but not least. If you admire the murder, torture, and violations of the Geneva Convention, you support the killing of innocent women and children in a country that was no threat to your own, a country that you had no business in entering, then for sure, you must fairly and squarly tick that box and vote for the Labour Party.

I did indeed forget to mention, if you enjoy watching your family live in rented accomodation for eternity, and you also enjoy the value of your wages diminishing under tax, and cheap imported labour ensuring you will never ever buy a property then for sure vote labour.

And Elizabeth, if your Brother had not lied about his earnings he would still have that house today!!!.

Remember 3.5x1

You may also recall that under the Tories, you had tax relief on your house (MIRAS) and if you were unemployed you would have the interest paid on the mortgage from day one, not waiting nine months.

Again Elizabeth, enlighten me on your brothers plight, why on earth did he lie on his mortgage application?.

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