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Authority % increase

North Yorks C.C. 4.9%

Craven District Council 2.9%

Skipton 26.8%

Fire Authority 2.6%

N Yorks Police 2.3%

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Authority % increase

North Yorks C.C. 4.9%

Craven District Council 2.9%

Skipton 26.8%

Fire Authority 2.6%

N Yorks Police 2.3%

Everyone always compares inflation in council tax bills with the general inflation rate and complains it is higher.

The only reason general inflation rate is low is due to cheap imported goods.

Service inflation is a lot higher and council tax is money taken in general to cover services so of course it has to be expected that it goes up higher than current inflation. That and the increases needed to fund public sector pensions...but don't get me started on that.

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Authority % increase

North Yorks C.C. 4.9%

Craven District Council 2.9%

Skipton 26.8%

Fire Authority 2.6%

N Yorks Police 2.3%

Council tax rises are below 5% this year. Many consumer goods are cheaper than last year hence inflation @ 2%.

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Council tax rises are below 5% this year. Many consumer goods are cheaper than last year hence inflation @ 2%.

yes but I don't have to buy consumer goods - in fact I don't need any more electronics until the PS3 comes out in Nov... but I doubt that'll be cheaper then when I bought the PS2.

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yes but I don't have to buy consumer goods - in fact I don't need any more electronics until the PS3 comes out in Nov... but I doubt that'll be cheaper then when I bought the PS2.

Inflation is measured using weightings based upon the % of disposable income spent upon differing categories of goods and services. Should you be typical of the average consumer and the weighting for non-essentials such electronic goods go down in favour of housing costs then I suspect that inflation may rise. No sign yet though.

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yes but I don't have to buy consumer goods - in fact I don't need any more electronics until the PS3 comes out in Nov... but I doubt that'll be cheaper then when I bought the PS2.

But the PS3 is so much more of a machine that I even am or could be - that is why it will be reflected as effectively cheaper in CPI terms - because it provides a greater customer experience? - they will skin this cat the way that suits them....

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But the PS3 is so much more of a machine that I even am or could be - that is why it will be reflected as effectively cheaper in CPI terms - because it provides a greater customer experience? - they will skin this cat the way that suits them....

HAL

Aaaah the conmforting glow of statistics.

Hedonic adjustment means that the extra pleasure and utility available from a PS3 results in an increase in value compared to the humble PS2, hence increased value, divided by increased cost means that the entertainment represented by the purchase has just got cheaper.

Oficial inflation rate actually goes down. Except that it just cost you more to buy.

I believe they also use substitution, which means that if something goes up, such as cinema tickets, they assume people use less, and therefore spend more on PS3 which of course is going down in price since they adjusted for the extra utility value.

Hence inflation goes down again.

A third adjustment is to use geometric weighting as opposed to arithmetic, which implies that those services going down are bought more in their basket of goods.

Like the Vietnam war, the longer the spin goes on, the bigger the gap between what they say, and the facts on the ground. Eventually even the blissfully ignorant public start to take notice. Unsurprisingly the announced headline rate frequently has to be adjusted afterwards, to narrow the reality gap.

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Should you be typical of the average consumer and the weighting for non-essentials such electronic goods go down in favour of housing costs then I suspect that inflation may rise. No sign yet though.

maybe they should have a core core cpi ex electronic goods - I've noticed new pcs and laptops are really cheap but I don't really need a new one - a couple of years evryone i know was upgrading their pcs havent heard of anyone buying new ones recently .. sorry I' rambling and this is a bit irrelevant . If I was your typical punter i doubt I'd be posting here.

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Don't suppose anyone's had one for Lewes district? Mine was £1395 last year for a band D

yes but I don't have to buy consumer goods - in fact I don't need any more electronics until the PS3 comes out in Nov... but I doubt that'll be cheaper then when I bought the PS2.

Have you seen my signature? :D

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in fact I don't need any more electronics until the PS3 comes out in Nov...

I don't understand why you NEED a PS3, surely you just mean you WANT one.

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I don't understand why you NEED a PS3, surely you just mean you WANT one.

was being a little tongue in cheek - but having said that, it'll come out 1 month before Christmas my son will be 11 yrs old by then and all his mates will be getting one. You do the math... :)

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Current estimates for the PS3 are next March (2007) due to delays at Sony.

Sorry, but you can put your savings away for another year :-(

And apparently sony expect to sell it for a nosebleed price, and games could be as much as £60.... unless the competition from Microsoft Xbox 360 changes all of that.

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Council tax rises are below 5% this year. Many consumer goods are cheaper than last year hence inflation @ 2%.

There is no way most people can avoid Council Tax increases, like there is no way most people can avoid energy costs. Like there is no way most people can avoid the rising cost of putting a roof over their families head.

Those are THE REAL inflationary costs that matter to real people on the real street. Real inflation is not that which Grasping Gordon cooks up by giving a heavy weighting to £29.99 Chinese consumer tat that will be a pile of discarded junk this time next year.

This government will go down in History as the biggest con trick in living memory. This so called Socialist government has sold this generation and the next generation to the Banks. Whilst at the same time stooping to the depths of the "trough culture" exhibited by the Tories in their dying days of power. The sooner we rid ourselves of these troublesome priests the better. :ph34r:

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maybe they should have a core core cpi ex electronic goods - I've noticed new pcs and laptops are really cheap but I don't really need a new one - a couple of years evryone i know was upgrading their pcs havent heard of anyone buying new ones recently .. sorry I' rambling and this is a bit irrelevant . If I was your typical punter i doubt I'd be posting here.

No need to be sorry.............. indeed I myself was on my second PC in just over two years. And just over twelve months later mid 2002 finding my second purchase was its self at its limit of upgrade ability. So after two PC's and two Bill Gates crap operating systems, W95 and its poxed sibling W98 SE, I decided enough was enough. I procceded to buid my own upgradable PC capable of running four monitors [but currently operating on three] running on W2K Pro, after evaluating XP Pro until shall we say Bill decided to many people were evaluating it for far to long :ph34r: I have not had the need to upgrade it since I built it over three and a half years ago, and I see it fulfilling my needs for many years to come. So indeed your observations would seem well founded Sisyphus

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Inflation is measured using weightings based upon the % of disposable income spent upon differing categories of goods and services.

Only it's more like % of disposable borrowing these days not disposable income.

How do we track aggregate household spending today compared to 10 or 20 or 30 years ago?

If you were to strip out all unnecessary expenditure and leave only taxes and necessities what would the real rate of inflation be?

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Guest Charlie The Tramp

Just received my Council Tax Bill.

Local charges increased by 1.7%

Ken Livingstone`s charge increased by 13.3%

The Olympic Games charge 1.5% of the total bill the cost of one walnut whip a week for a year according to the good Mayor. The only treat I spoil myself with.

Now as the council has offered me a discount equal to the cost of said walnut whip if I pay the bill in full by the 1/4/2006 I will accept their offer to stuff the said good Mayor.

Brown pickpockets your hard earned cash and Livingstone steals your walnut whips. Prepare for a dramatic drop in sales of walnut whips in London. :)

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No need to be sorry.............. indeed I myself was on my second PC in just over two years. And just over twelve months later mid 2002 finding my second purchase was its self at its limit of upgrade ability. So after two PC's and two Bill Gates crap operating systems, W95 and its poxed sibling W98 SE, I decided enough was enough. I procceded to buid my own upgradable PC capable of running four monitors [but currently operating on three] running on W2K Pro, after evaluating XP Pro until shall we say Bill decided to many people were evaluating it for far to long :ph34r: I have not had the need to upgrade it since I built it over three and a half years ago, and I see it fulfilling my needs for many years to come. So indeed your observations would seem well founded Sisyphus

totaly agree

the pc has gone from being the great new gadget into just another product.About 5 years ago everyone and there dog bought one, and most of these people never bought another they just felt pressured into getting one realy.You couldnt open a newspaper without someone talking about pc's(remember newspapers all had there pc and internet columns)

but now we have

the people that bought one and never realy used one, found it a bit boring and feel the need not to have one ( quite a % of the population)

we also have the fact no matter what the spin that you need the latest is the fact that you realy dont need the latest.10 years ago you realy did need the latest, but i aint seen a 3 year old machine now that wont be able to use any piece of recent software.This definetly wasint the case, everyone needed a new machine to run windows 95 then another for win98.but aint seen a need for one between w2k and xp and beyond.The need to upgrade to keep up has drastically slowed down.

people cant also see the diffrences in speed ect that they used to and in hd space.

5 years ago you would run outta hd space, but there so big for last 3 years ie 250 gig that there realy plenty enough for everyone but the very hardcore.wasint the case when you had a 120 meg hd, ya soon filled it up easily.so you got yourself a new computer.same as processors i have to admit i didint even notice the diffrence in speed freom 2GIG TO A 3.4GIG PROCESSOR.the change was to small to notice.but when i had a 486sx and got a p90 it blew me away.

Also i think there is a real shift away from getting the latest and best and more into getting the tool for the job.Im scared to think of all the people that were duped into getting the latest just to type a letter on in an office.

The computer manufacturers realy need to offer something else as a must have to entice you to buy now, they need another cd rom or dvd drive.

would just like to add

i believe there is serious conspiracies within the computer industry to keep people upgrading, i mean how come all the drives have been put out is sequence from just cd then cd rom then cdr the cdrw then dvd with cdr then dvd the dvdr then dvdr i believe these items were allready designed but issuing them in this kinda sequence insured they would sell at least 4 of them to each person, as the upgrading as they went along.Funny that ehhhh.Same goes for processors why if you designed a 4gig processor would you give it to people with a 1 gig its far more money to give them slow upgrades all along the way.

totaly agree

the pc has gone from being the great new gadget into just another product.About 5 years ago everyone and there dog bought one, and most of these people never bought another they just felt pressured into getting one realy.You couldnt open a newspaper without someone talking about pc's(remember newspapers all had there pc and internet columns)

but now we have

the people that bought one and never realy used one, found it a bit boring and feel the need not to have one ( quite a % of the population)

we also have the fact no matter what the spin that you need the latest is the fact that you realy dont need the latest.10 years ago you realy did need the latest, but i aint seen a 3 year old machine now that wont be able to use any piece of recent software.This definetly wasint the case, everyone needed a new machine to run windows 95 then another for win98.but aint seen a need for one between w2k and xp and beyond.The need to upgrade to keep up has drastically slowed down.

people cant also see the diffrences in speed ect that they used to and in hd space.

5 years ago you would run outta hd space, but there so big for last 3 years ie 250 gig that there realy plenty enough for everyone but the very hardcore.wasint the case when you had a 120 meg hd, ya soon filled it up easily.so you got yourself a new computer.same as processors i have to admit i didint even notice the diffrence in speed freom 2GIG TO A 3.4GIG PROCESSOR.the change was to small to notice.but when i had a 486sx and got a p90 it blew me away.

Also i think there is a real shift away from getting the latest and best and more into getting the tool for the job.Im scared to think of all the people that were duped into getting the latest just to type a letter on in an office.

The computer manufacturers realy need to offer something else as a must have to entice you to buy now, they need another cd rom or dvd drive.

would just like to add

i believe there is serious conspiracies within the computer industry to keep people upgrading, i mean how come all the drives have been put out is sequence from just cd then cd rom then cdr the cdrw then dvd with cdr then dvd the dvdr then dvdr i believe these items were allready designed but issuing them in this kinda sequence insured they would sell at least 4 of them to each person, as the upgrading as they went along.Funny that ehhhh.Same goes for processors why if you designed a 4gig processor would you give it to people with a 1 gig its far more money to give them slow upgrades all along the way.

actually i think this happens for drugs too, it would be financial suicide for the big medical drug companies to actually succeed in a cure, that would mean they would sell a heck of a lot less of the prodiuct.

much better to sell you drugs all your llife to suppress the aids than give everyone a single injection ehhhh

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much better to sell you drugs all your llife to suppress the aids than give everyone a single injection ehhhh

yes, keep diseased people alive as LONG as possible, charge ££££s for regular doses - make a hooha in the media about postcode lottery to create a demand.... yes laughing all the way to the bank

Tamiflu anyone?

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i aint seen a 3 year old machine now that wont be able to use any piece of recent software.

Games are basically what's pushing PC development these days, though Vista will probably suck up so much power just to draw the 3D borders on windows that you'll need a 3GHz CPU to run Word. You certainly won't run FEAR on a three year old PC at 1600x1200 with all graphics settings maxed out.

5 years ago you would run outta hd space, but there so big for last 3 years ie 250 gig that there realy plenty enough for everyone but the very hardcore.

I have 950 gigabytes here and most of it is full. Admittedly I edit HDTV movies on this machine which sucks up disk space like crazy, but once Joe Sixpack starts downloading HDTV porn from the web he'll find his hard disk fills up fast too.

actually i think this happens for drugs too, it would be financial suicide for the big medical drug companies to actually succeed in a cure

To some extent I think that's true, but it requires all drug companies to collaborate: it only takes one to release that cure drug knowing that they'll make a killing for a while, and all the others have to follow suit.

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Apple are pretty good at promoting new 'needs' for your home computer - archive your photos, make music, make videos, make DVDs, wrap it all in your blog, etc.

The average adult I know is so time pressured they simply don't have the time to muck about in this digital wonderland. I was speaking to a guy at work who was complaining he only had about 20 track on the iPod he bought last year because he 'doesn't have time to go through all his CDs'.

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was being a little tongue in cheek - but having said that, it'll come out 1 month before Christmas my son will be 11 yrs old by then and all his mates will be getting one. You do the math... :)

Same here. Been on Sprogs list for about a year now. He's not best pleased that it's been postponed yet AGAIN!

What on earth are we going to get him if it's not out in November?!

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