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40 years after 'Cathy Come Home':

* More than one million children in Britain live in bad housing.

* More than 500,000 households are living in overcrowded accommodation.

* Over 100,000 homeless households are living in temporary accommodation, up from 6,390 30 years ago.

* 1.7 million council houses have been sold since 1980, whilst the construction of new social housing for rent is at an historic low. [For example from 1949-1954, an average of 230,000 council houses were built every year.]

* Over 230,000 households in England are on waiting lists for properties with three or more bedrooms. Only 5,000 social rented homes this size are built each year

Source: Shelter

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Ah, the undeserving poor.

They`ll always be here rather like death and taxes

horace

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40 years after 'Cathy Come Home':

* More than one million children in Britain live in bad housing.

* More than 500,000 households are living in overcrowded accommodation.

* Over 100,000 homeless households are living in temporary accommodation, up from 6,390 30 years ago.

* 1.7 million council houses have been sold since 1980, whilst the construction of new social housing for rent is at an historic low. [For example from 1949-1954, an average of 230,000 council houses were built every year.]

* Over 230,000 households in England are on waiting lists for properties with three or more bedrooms. Only 5,000 social rented homes this size are built each year

Source: Shelter

Yes, but the UK population has also increased. So are these figures proportional?

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40 years after 'Cathy Come Home':

* More than one million children in Britain live in bad housing.

* More than 500,000 households are living in overcrowded accommodation.

* Over 100,000 homeless households are living in temporary accommodation, up from 6,390 30 years ago.

* 1.7 million council houses have been sold since 1980, whilst the construction of new social housing for rent is at an historic low. [For example from 1949-1954, an average of 230,000 council houses were built every year.]

* Over 230,000 households in England are on waiting lists for properties with three or more bedrooms. Only 5,000 social rented homes this size are built each year

Source: Shelter

Kirsty Allsop seems to think that this is a good idea.

The sooner everyone is living in a 1 bed ex-council that consumes 60% of their income the better!

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`* More than one million children in Britain live in bad housing.

* More than 500,000 households are living in overcrowded accommodation.

* Over 100,000 homeless households are living in temporary accommodation, up from 6,390 30 years ago.

unquote.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear what does that very bold statement mean? Shall we examine it line by line, fact by fact (if there are any?)

`* More than one million children in Britain live in bad housing.`

NOT one million PLUS 2 or 3 or 56,007 or 112 487 but MORE than one million children. WOW. How many is more ?

Continue .. for other `stated FACTS`

I think this is a poorly researched and poorly written article which deseves its proper place in the waste paper basket.

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I think it's a disgrace. For all the Labour party's preaching about social equality, etc.......

Horace, I think Shelter gather many of their stats from the English House Condition Survey - http://www.statistics.gov.uk/ssd/surveys/e...tion_survey.asp

15 February 2006

New Shelter report demonstrating how homelessness has deepened since Cathy Come Home was first aired in 1966

Shelter is today (15 February 2006) launching a new report demonstrating how homelessness has deepened since its launch in 1966.

The charity is using its 40th year to highlight the current crisis that traps more than one million children in bad housing - a problem which has developed because of a massive decline in levels of social house-building.

Exactly ten years ago the current Prime Minister made a huge commitment which has seen the numbers of rough sleepers reduce dramatically. Today it is time for the Government to make a similar, bold commitment to end bad housing for the next generation of children.

The charity was launched two days after the broadcast of the pioneering Ken Loach documentary 'Cathy Come Home'. Both resulted in huge public concern about homelessness, changing the housing landscape, with the introduction of groundbreaking legislation such as the Rent Act and Homelessness Act. Despite these successes however, the number of homeless households in temporary accommodation has soared from 6,400 to more than 100,000 since 1976(1), while the building of social homes has fallen by 87% over the same period (2).

Adam Sampson, Director of Shelter, said: "So much has changed in the last 40 years but, tragically, Cathy has much less chance of coming home than she would have done back then. With more than one million children in bad housing it is a national scandal that even more families are suffering the kind of long-term damage and insecurity witnessed in that heartbreaking film about homelessness."

ENDS

Notes to Editors:

1. Office of the Deputy Prime Minister homelessness statistics

2. Office of the Deputy Prime Minister housing statistics

3. Local statistics are available from Shelter's media office on 020 7505 2162

4. Shelter believes everyone should have a home and helps 100,000 people a year fight for their rights, get back on their feet, and find and keep a home. We also tackle the root causes of Britain's housing crisis by campaigning for new laws, policies and solutions. Shelter launched the Million Children Campaign in April 2004 aimed at getting the Government to commit to ending bad housing for the next generation of children. Bad housing robs children of their health, education and a fair chance in life.

6. Shelter's helpline is supported by Bradford & Bingley and provides free housing advice on 0808 800 4444

7. For more information about Shelter visit www.shelter.org.uk

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I can't believe the replies to this post. Irrespective of the detail/veracity of the stats, we are in a situation where a labour govt has delivered the biggest gap between house prices and average means since 1989. The very real, and un-accounted, cost of HPI is personal misery as average/normal aspirations are shattered.

Rant over

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I can't believe the replies to this post. Irrespective of the detail/veracity of the stats, we are in a situation where a labour govt has delivered the biggest gap between house prices and average means since 1989. The very real, and un-accounted, cost of HPI is personal misery as average/normal aspirations are shattered.

Rant over

In a global context these people are still amongst the wealthiest. Take a trip to rural China my friend.

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`* More than one million children in Britain live in bad housing.

* More than 500,000 households are living in overcrowded accommodation.

* Over 100,000 homeless households are living in temporary accommodation, up from 6,390 30 years ago.

unquote.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear what does that very bold statement mean? Shall we examine it line by line, fact by fact (if there are any?)

`* More than one million children in Britain live in bad housing.`

NOT one million PLUS 2 or 3 or 56,007 or 112 487 but MORE than one million children. WOW. How many is more ?

Continue .. for other `stated FACTS`

I think this is a poorly researched and poorly written article which deseves its proper place in the waste paper basket.

Well you're entitled to your opinion.

Personally I dont know all the factual numbers either, but, families living in bed and breakfast and poor housing unfortunaly is fact.

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Here are a few sources of info - Google the titles and you should find them on the net..........

Minton A., Jones S. (2005). Generation Squalor. Shelter's National Investigation into the Housing Crisis. Shelter.

This document summarizes the findings of an investigation into people's experiences of bad housing in England .

Shelter (2004). Toying with their Future. The hidden cost of the housing crisis (PDF). Shelter.

This report gives an overview of the effects of bad housing on the lives of children.

Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (2004). Survey of English Housing 2002-2003. Office of the Deputy Prime Minister.

This survey offers a statistical breakdown of the housing situation in England.

Department of Work and Pensions (2005). Opportunity for All. Seventh Report. DWP.

This Government policy document outlines Government targets in relation to poverty and social disadvantage and poverty, including decent housing.

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YES EVERYONE, we should be grateful for everything our wonderful government has done for us and just stop complaining like a bunch of moaning minnies!!!!!!!!! How dare we complain!

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YES EVERYONE, we should be grateful for everything our wonderful government has done for us and just stop complaining like a bunch of moaning minnies!!!!!!!!! How dare we complain!

Look at it this way. The biggest villains with regard to HPI are the banks, fact! This web site, although very informative, is full of people waiting to jump back in the game and further line the pockets of those who have been shafting them and untold millions around the world for hundreds of years. The inequality just gets moved around.

The fact that there are government organisations, a benefits system, and free health care available to these people gives them a major advantage over the majority of homeless in the third world.

What is ironic, people in this country are so inherently state indoctrinated they tend to overlook these facts when they plead poverty.

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'Shelter' is now the preserve of the woolly left, it's deeply unfashionable, especially amongst the 10 BTL champaign socialists. Equally the toffs dont care as it comes down to keeping the peasants off their land.

Today we have the unholy alliance of reactionaries and tree huggers, people would rather sit there arguing the merits of 4x4's than discussing petty stuff like housing.

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'Shelter' is now the preserve of the woolly left, it's deeply unfashionable, especially amongst the 10 BTL champaign socialists. Equally the toffs dont care as it comes down to keeping the peasants off their land.

Today we have the unholy alliance of reactionaries and tree huggers, people would rather sit there arguing the merits of 4x4's than discussing petty stuff like housing.

So nothing has changed then?

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'Shelter' is now the preserve of the woolly left, it's deeply unfashionable, especially amongst the 10 BTL champaign socialists. Equally the toffs dont care as it comes down to keeping the peasants off their land.

Today we have the unholy alliance of reactionaries and tree huggers, people would rather sit there arguing the merits of 4x4's than discussing petty stuff like housing.

Isn't that just what consumerism does? Creates a population so easily able to jamb their lives full of the outer skin of their existence that that is all they ever have time for. The credit ladened majority don't have to worry about "issues" and are too busy feeling good with their latest purchase to notice that there are long term effects that will hit them low and hard later. Credit is an infantalising drug. The very nature of the sort of consumerism that has been around in the last 7 years is a huge social engineering machine.

Credit cards are the opiate of the masses. And a damn fine opiate they are too.

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So nothing has changed then?

A lot has changed, it is now impossible to build any development without a well organised nimby brigade usurping it. Since Cathy Come Home we've gone from building record numbers of houses to basically no provision of new public housing. In the private sector 50% of new building starts are for small flats in brownfield locations, usually on contaminated land or next to major trunk roads or other industrial vistas, all this despite the fact only a tiny minority of people actually want to live in such properties in such places.

Over the last 40 years our homes have gotten smaller, as have gardens, rooms and public spaces, the amount of land released for development is less than ever, our density targets are deemed cruel if applied to cattle, the amount allocated to greenbelt is more than ever ("under threat?"). We have the most expensive, oldest and most pokey housing stock in the developed world.

In every other European country peoples' relative conditions have improved immensely, houses are bigger than ever before and in Germany for example they are 50% larger than the UK. Our trend is negative as targets are set to strink new developments even smaller.

Read this paper if you really want a background on all this.

Edited by BuyingBear

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40 years after 'Cathy Come Home':

* More than one million children in Britain live in bad housing.

* More than 500,000 households are living in overcrowded accommodation.

* Over 100,000 homeless households are living in temporary accommodation, up from 6,390 30 years ago.

* 1.7 million council houses have been sold since 1980, whilst the construction of new social housing for rent is at an historic low. [For example from 1949-1954, an average of 230,000 council houses were built every year.]

* Over 230,000 households in England are on waiting lists for properties with three or more bedrooms. Only 5,000 social rented homes this size are built each year

Source: Shelter

Is that website a spoof? I was especially amused by the "lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender history month". Its like something out of the 80s.

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Look at it this way. The biggest villains with regard to HPI are the banks, fact! This web site, although very informative, is full of people waiting to jump back in the game and further line the pockets of those who have been shafting them and untold millions around the world for hundreds of years. The inequality just gets moved around.

The fact that there are government organisations, a benefits system, and free health care available to these people gives them a major advantage over the majority of homeless in the third world.

What is ironic, people in this country are so inherently state indoctrinated they tend to overlook these facts when they plead poverty.

It has to be said that I can see that some of the bears are here because they missed out on making a killing in the current property boom and are jealous of those that have made money. They can't wait to buy low and sell high and shaft another generation of FTBs.

Is it fair to say that any bear who is opposed to social/council housing fits into that category quite nicely? Social housing provides long term secure rented accomodation, this help keep a lid on HPI (which in their heart of hearts they want - after they've bought cheap of course).

I guess I'm a perma-bear because as far as I'm concerned a house is just a place to live and not and investment or my pension fund.

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A lot has changed, it is now impossible to build any development without a well organised nimby brigade usurping it.

In your experience maybe, not mine. In Devon I have seen villages double in size over the last five years. One, not four miles from me, has had 140 houses built on four different sites in as many years.

Read this paper if you really want a background on all this.

Thanks, I will.

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Is that website a spoof? I was especially amused by the "lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender history month". Its like something out of the 80s.

It is a genuine website and real party, I should know I am a member.

Do you need more details on the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender history month, I will put your name down for more info.

It seems like something out of the 80`s as we dont seem to progressed very much in society since and

the same issues are still relevant today.

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In your experience maybe, not mine. In Devon I have seen villages double in size over the last five years. One, not four miles from me, has had 140 houses built on four different sites in as many years.

It seems they're starting from a small base, take any town of >20,000 residential properties and try doubling it! ;)

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It seems they're starting from a small base, take any town of >20,000 residential properties and try doubling it! ;)

;)

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It's a bit like some National Park F~£@wits I spoke to the other day. I was asking them about affordable housing. Yes, they responded, its a great idea blah de blah - they sent me some plans. Yes Mrs National Park F*&^wit, but the areas you have allocated for potential affordable housing are owned by two landowners who don't want to develop any affordable housing - if anything, they'll go for 5 bed detached for 500k plus..... Long awkward silence.........How about asking (several suggestions - council, church, etc.) for an allocation of land outside of the area you have specified for affordable housing. No, all of their current land holdings fall outside the new development plan.........FARCICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's a bit like some National Park F~£@wits I spoke to the other day. I was asking them about affordable housing. Yes, they responded, its a great idea blah de blah - they sent me some plans. Yes Mrs National Park F*&^wit, but the areas you have allocated for potential affordable housing are owned by two landowners who don't want to develop any affordable housing - if anything, they'll go for 5 bed detached for 500k plus..... Long awkward silence.........How about asking (several suggestions - council, church, etc.) for an allocation of land outside of the area you have specified for affordable housing. No, all of their current land holdings fall outside the new development plan.........FARCICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A collection of redundant industrial agricultural buildings came up for sale in a village near me recently.

The site, just over an acre, met the development boundary of the village, It had a new build house just meters from it.

When I enquired at the planners with regard to possible development i was told that residential was out of the question. I asked about business uses. They said that it would be OK so long as the business was quiet, nothing that made any noise! The site had a ******ing dairy and accommodation for 100 cattle on it. An enterprise that must have been blissfully tranquil for the local residents at 6am.

Needless to say I lost interest after talking to the stuck up c**t.

I'll put money on that site having a couple of 5 beds on it by the years end.

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