zugzwang Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Casual-observer said: Indeed, I'm not arguing our own Governments are not full of their own bullsh1t either. In saying that Saddam did gas the Kurds. With chemicals and plant he acquired from Germany, mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Audience member arrested during London theatre performance for refusing to wear a mask Police handcuffed and removed the man during a show by former NHS doctor Adam Kay 👏👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley George Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, hurlerontheditch said: Covid: Businesses hit by new wave of sickness - BBC News will someone think about the estate agents. we need a bailout for them Out of all the industries to go and get a soundbite from, quite typical of the Beeb to consult a scumbag, people farming business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, slawek said: Not if you are comparing oranges and apples. SA has much younger population. The UK has 4 times more over 65 as a percentage of the population than SA. 10k SA hospitalisation in Gauteng translates to 240k = 6 (adj for the population size) * 4 (adj for the older population) * 10k hospitalisations in the UK. You can however look at how the situation is changing in SA. The *4 for age seems a bit arbitrary. There should be an adjustment in the UK's favour for a much higher vaccination rate. Edited December 16, 2021 by Riedquat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Audience member arrested during London theatre performance for refusing to wear a mask Police handcuffed and removed the man during a show by former NHS doctor Adam Kay 👏👏👏 Lol, all you need to do is say you're exempt... Face coverings: when to wear one, exemptions, and how to make your own - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) Exemption cards If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering: you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this you do not need to show an exemption card This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering. However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign. Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law. If you wish to use an exemption card or badge, you can download exemption card templates. You can then print these yourself or show them on a mobile device. Please note that the government is not able to provide physical exemption cards or badges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry the king Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, slawek said: Not if you are comparing oranges and apples. SA has much younger population. The UK has 4 times more over 65 as a percentage of the population than SA. 10k SA hospitalisation in Gauteng translates to 240k = 6 (adj for the population size) * 4 (adj for the older population) * 10k hospitalisations in the UK. SA in other waves had to do restrictions. SA in this wave has not had to. That isn't comparing apples and oranges. That is comparing apples and apples. SA also had a younger population during Delta/Beta/Wuhan waves. They still needed restrictions then. Trying complex calculations is pointless. The big question is do they need restrictions? Almost a month in, and they do not. Edited December 16, 2021 by henry the king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said: Agree. I think this actually means we are better just getting on with things. The process is that some get infected and live and then have immunity. Some die and that is life. Overtime the disease will become less harmful and more contagious and we'll write it off as a cold. Trying extreme measures to save the elderly and vulnerable is a big mistake and is selling kids down the river. But you said that this was over Summer 2020? Make you’re mind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Lol, all you need to do is say you're exempt... Face coverings: when to wear one, exemptions, and how to make your own - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) Exemption cards If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering: you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this you do not need to show an exemption card This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering. However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign. Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law. If you wish to use an exemption card or badge, you can download exemption card templates. You can then print these yourself or show them on a mobile device. Please note that the government is not able to provide physical exemption cards or badges. Clearly some of the anti-maskers are too dumb to do that. 🤣👏👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: But you said that this was over Summer 2020? Make you’re mind up. It is over for the 99.9% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnylattej Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said: The next item in the playbook is to start a war! Which country did you have in mind? Must be a third world country that we can easily beat, with good scenery for the photo-shoots, and not too far away so that the troops can be home for Christmas. No doubt our great and glorious leader will appear in full camo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, skinnylattej said: Which country did you have in mind? Must be a third world country that we can easily beat, with good scenery for the photo-shoots, and not too far away so that the troops can be home for Christmas. No doubt our great and glorious leader will appear in full camo. France, although not a shooting war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantic Purple Slug Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 51 minutes ago, henry the king said: SA in other waves had to do restrictions. SA in this wave has not had to. That isn't comparing apples and oranges. That is comparing apples and apples. SA also had a younger population during Delta/Beta/Wuhan waves. They still needed restrictions then. Trying complex calculations is pointless. The big question is do they need restrictions? Almost a month in, and they do not. You might be right. But it won't be due to critical analysis, it will be due to luck in what is essentially a 50:50 question. We are probably within 1 week from knowing the answer to the severity issue in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said: It is over for the 99.9% Not if they’re going to get ill with a novel virus it’s not. Man up. You called this one wrong. Nothing wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantic Purple Slug Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) The French omicron ban on travel from the UK is completely useless. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10316257/BREAKING-France-BANS-Britons-non-essential-travel-Saturday-UK-recorded-re.html Edited December 16, 2021 by Gigantic Purple Slug Add info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slawek Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Riedquat said: You can however look at how the situation is changing in SA. The *4 for age seems a bit arbitrary. There should be an adjustment in the UK's favour for a much higher vaccination rate. It could be 3 insteas of 4 but that doesn't change the final number significantly, 180k instead of 240k. In SA almost all people have immunity due to a previous infection. Protection against hospitalisation is similar for both immunities, 70-80%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slawek Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, henry the king said: SA in other waves had to do restrictions. SA in this wave has not had to. That isn't comparing apples and oranges. That is comparing apples and apples. SA also had a younger population during Delta/Beta/Wuhan waves. They still needed restrictions then. Trying complex calculations is pointless. The big question is do they need restrictions? Almost a month in, and they do not. What is your claim? If you claim is that the UK doesn't need restrictions because SA didn't need them then you adjust for much younger SA population. Otherwise your argument is invalid since you are comparing orange and apples. 60k vs 200k total hospital admission makes a huge difference if you try to assess whether NHS can or can't cope with the Omicron wave without restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said: It is over for the 99.9% It's not over for the businesses or the employees, or the football balls or the fans, or even renters. Maybe they just didn't get the salesman and the sailor boy memo: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59674616 With Covid cases at record levels and rising, employers are bracing for large numbers of workers to call in sick. The Strats Homes lettings agency is being harder-hit than most. Out of 12 staff, only three are still working. “We’re staying away from each other and we’re managing the best we can,” says finance manager Maria Stratis. Hospitals, schools, theatres, transport providers and football teams are also being affected as workers succumb to the new wave of Omicron infections. And with the UK Health Security Agency’s chief executive Jenny Harries warning of a “staggering” number of cases in coming days, it’s likely that many other businesses will follow. 'One by one, they have all been testing positive' Strats Homes in Hatfield would normally be busy at this time of year, letting properties for students at the University of Hertfordshire. “It’s really stressful because it’s Christmas next week and everyone is coming down with Covid,” says Ms Stratis. “Four maintenance people, five in the office, one by one they have all been testing positive. “Three of us are managing everything. We have had to lock our doors, and we’ve switched to doing everything remotely." The company has told tenants they can’t fix anything because all maintenance staff are currently off work. 🤣🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 35 minutes ago, slawek said: In SA almost all people have immunity due to a previous infection. Protection against hospitalisation is similar for both immunities, 70-80%. What are the solid previous infection numbers comparisons between the UK and SA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguel Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 hours ago, scottbeard said: What do you think he should have done / should do? It feels to me like half the country think we haven't locked down hard enough, and half think it's all overdone, suggesting maybe we're as close to the middle ground balance as we could be.... Don't ask me, what do I know about how severe the pressure for NHS treatment is going to be? Johnson should know, he has access to experts in this field. The point is that there's going to be a number of people who aren't going to give a fck about what Johnson announces. People will party. I'm sure there's also a significant amount of people who will bite their lip and comply. There's no doubt that the government have made things much more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 BREAKING NEWS: LBC caller claiming to be stepson of the UK's 'first Omicron victim' says he was an unvaccinated conspiracy theorist, in his 70s, who was fit and healthy and never left the house but died on Monday at a hospital in Northampton weeks after falling ill Expert said the lack of details about the first Omicron death may have been causing 'unnecessary alarm' LBC caller, John from Smithfield, reveals that his stepfather died in hospital in Northampton on Monday Unnamed victim was unvaccinated having become convinced that the vaccine was a Government conspiracy John said: 'He was an intelligent man. Had he been vaccinated, he would probably still be here' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Listen on LBC to the breaking story: https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/coronavirus/first-omicron-victim-uk-speaks-to-lbc/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry the king Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, slawek said: What is your claim? If you claim is that the UK doesn't need restrictions because SA didn't need them then you adjust for much younger SA population. Otherwise your argument is invalid since you are comparing orange and apples. 60k vs 200k total hospital admission makes a huge difference if you try to assess whether NHS can or can't cope with the Omicron wave without restrictions. SA needed restrictions in previous waves. They do not need restrictions with Omicron. So it is clearly much less serious. Basically they are totally fine there. So its not some doomsday scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallingAwake Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: BREAKING NEWS: LBC caller claiming to be stepson of the UK's 'first Omicron victim' says he was an unvaccinated conspiracy theorist, in his 70s, who was fit and healthy and never left the house but died on Monday at a hospital in Northampton weeks after falling ill Expert said the lack of details about the first Omicron death may have been causing 'unnecessary alarm' LBC caller, John from Smithfield, reveals that his stepfather died in hospital in Northampton on Monday Unnamed victim was unvaccinated having become convinced that the vaccine was a Government conspiracy John said: 'He was an intelligent man. Had he been vaccinated, he would probably still be here' Could you use a bigger font? I'm having to squint a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, FallingAwake said: Could you use a bigger font? I'm having to squint a bit. Big fonts are as much of a red flag as "watch this video." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 I bet Johnson will be pleased that "John" rang into LBC. There we all were thinking that the death was "with Covid" rather than "of Covid". Now we know that it was "of Covid" and he was an unvaccinated conspiracy theorist Better get them jabs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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