Boris in LaLa Land

[byron78]

Just now, Insane said:

You don't have to be a Flag Shagger to be insulted by the Race Baiting MP's in Labour.

Your statement is a perfect example of the attitude prevailing in the Labour Party and Movement that alienates Labours core vote, the problem for Labour is like you they are totally ignorant of the damage they do to their party. 

How am I a problem for Labour, again?

I'm an 81 year old lifelong Tory related to an ex-Tory PM. 

I think it's brilliant all you flag shaggers are against the party that should be looking after you proles. Saves us a job.

[Insane]

1 minute ago, pig said:

Poor people are not a minority and there are as many stupid black and asian people as white.

Where did I say " poor people were a minority " ?

Regardless of the amount of stupid Black , White or Asian people when 85% of the country is white Race Baiting MP's against whites is not going to win votes. 

[pig]

6 minutes ago, Insane said:

Where did I say " poor people were a minority " ?

Regardless of the amount of stupid Black , White or Asian people when 85% of the country is white Race Baiting MP's against whites is not going to win votes. 

You didn't but Labours general mission is to be a bleeding heart for the afflicted.

You are clearly deeply bitter and twisted over 'race'. Really sad way to be.

Edited October 7, 2021 by pig

[Insane]

10 minutes ago, byron78 said:

How am I a problem for Labour, again?

I'm an 81 year old lifelong Tory related to an ex-Tory PM. 

I think it's brilliant all you flag shaggers are against the party that should be looking after you proles. Saves us a job.

Did I say your were ? I said your attitude towards people is the same attitude found in the Labour Party that alienates their core vote. Very simple if you can read what is put in front of you. Really 81 , tells us he had an expensive education and gets muddled up reading a few short sentences. 

To be Honest I think you are just like the majority of Jo Average ( the people you refer to as Proles) I wont use that word I will say Jo Average . Your upper class, rich background is mostly in your head isn't it ? 

11 minutes ago, byron78 said:

How am I a problem for Labour, again?

I'm an 81 year old lifelong Tory related to an ex-Tory PM. 

I think it's brilliant all you flag shaggers are against the party that should be looking after you proles. Saves us a job.

I didn't I said your attitude towards average people was the same attitude found in the Labour Party that keeps them out of Government. Quite simple if you read what is put in front of you.  

[Insane]

5 minutes ago, pig said:

You are clearly deeply bitter and twisted over 'race'. Really sad way to be.

Lol Thank you Thank you Thank you for that statement as it just totally underlines and confirms what I have stated. 

 If you want to see bitter and twisted over race look in the Labour Party. Yet If I bring up my not liking the race baiting towards whites from the Labour Party you try and turn the problem around to me. This is the Whole Issue that Labour cannot see. They look for Racism at every turn but if the racism is towards whites it gets ignored and if anyone brings it up who is white then they are the Racist ! CHOCICE.  

Until Labour can see that they have not got a chance. 

 

[pig]

1 minute ago, Insane said:

Lol Thank you Thank you Thank you for that statement as it just totally underlines and confirms what I have stated. 

 If you want to see bitter and twisted over race look in the Labour Party. Yet If I bring up my not liking the race baiting towards whites from the Labour Party you try and turn the problem around to me. This is the Whole Issue that Labour cannot see. They look for Racism at every turn but if the racism is towards whites it gets ignored and if anyone brings it up who is white then they are the Racist ! CHOCICE.  

Until Labour can see that they have not got a chance. 

 

To be honest you brought it on yourself.

How did you get to be like this ?

[btl_hater]

36 minutes ago, Insane said:

Constantly speaking up for Minorities while ignoring the plight of those who do not fit into a Minorite group. 

85% of the country is white so the Race Baiting MP's in Labour are going to alienate a massive group of people. I work with Black and Asian people who have said " how could a white person vote Labour ? " 

Do you have some examples of this,  from say the past 3 months? Because I haven’t noticed anything along those lines…

[Insane]

30 minutes ago, pig said:

o be honest you brought it on yourself.

How did you get to be like this ?

You have done it again. 

You keep confirming the Double Standard in the Labour Party and Labour movement , also within yourself. 

How are you not able to see this costs Labour Elections ? 

[Insane]

25 minutes ago, btl_hater said:

Do you have some examples of this,  from say the past 3 months? Because I haven’t noticed anything along those lines…

Really you have not noticed let me help you out.

Google    Diana Abbott, Naz Shah, Dawn Butler , David Lammy that will keep you going for a bit.

 

[pig]

 

3 minutes ago, Insane said:

You have done it again. 

You keep confirming the Double Standard in the Labour Party and Labour movement , also within yourself. 

How are you not able to see this costs Labour Elections ? 

I get that is your 'mission' - I also understand Labour has a tricky juggling act.

But I'm genuinely curious as to how did you get like this - it not that often I get an opportunity to directly ask.

Bad experiences when younger ? Parents or older siblings sucked you in - as with footy teams ?

[dances with sheeple]

5 hours ago, dpg50000 said:

Do you seriously think that Labour have any chance of winning the next election with Starmer in charge? Their recent conference showed they had learnt nothing and continue to alienate what should be their core voters.

If they call out the housing bubble for what it is they could win, Starmer made a good start on this in his budget response speech, didn`t get much coverage though?

Of course the problem is that a lot of the Labour "heartland" went all in on BTL, so this tactic might not work LOL.

Edited October 7, 2021 by dances with sheeple

[Insane]

37 minutes ago, pig said:

you get like this

Like what pointing out Racism to my Race ? How would anyone get like that , you seem to be the Authority on this issue so you tell me how people get to pointing out Race against their Race. 

 

38 minutes ago, pig said:

Bad experiences when younger ? Parents or older siblings sucked you in - as with footy teams ?

OMG now trying to deflect , making a very poor job of it. 

Now tell me how you got to defending the Double Standard in the Labour Party , the Labour Movement and Yourself ? I'm all ears.  

[winkie]

 

[jonb2]

14 minutes ago, Insane said:

Like what pointing out Racism to my Race ? How would anyone get like that , you seem to be the Authority on this issue so you tell me how people get to pointing out Race against their Race. 

 

OMG now trying to deflect , making a very poor job of it. 

Now tell me how you got to defending the Double Standard in the Labour Party , the Labour Movement and Yourself ? I'm all ears.  

I think I owe you an answer from a previous chat we had Insane.

It was about who we should hold to account for the state of things. I remember I mentioned, IMHO, it was the mass theft of monies from the ordinary man by the super-elites. This was days before the Pandora Papers were leaked. Pointing to foreigners having a £4 billion stake in UK property and the Tories running on very dodgy donor money.

My feeling is that we all have a lot more in common with equivalents in other races than the maggots hoarding £10s of Trillions. They have tools at their disposal (like the media) and it's in their interest to divide and conquer. Capture of the political system is another tool they use. The Tories do work for these people.

If you have to hate anybody. It should NOT be the common man across the world. It should be these money-obsessed grubbers.

IOW, try not to fall into their trap of othering.

Anger is an energy (as Johnny Rotten says)  - point the rail-gun at the enemy. Not someone who is a potential ally.

This is the ONLY thing to worry about. Money is even more important than climate change

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99% of people across the world have a common enemy. And it ain't about different colours.

 

[Insane]

2 minutes ago, jonb2 said:

My feeling is that we all have a lot more in common with equivalents in other races than the maggots hoarding £10s of Trillions.

Agree 

So Labour need to stop their Race Baiting MP's telling White people about their supposed privilege until they do they will not get my Vote. Labour are not just dividing people on Race they are dividing them on all manner of issues. Did you hear about the female Labour Party Member who did not attend last week ? She had received death threats from other party members as her opinions on Transgender issues do not fit with party policy on this issue right now. I would think her opinions would fit more with millions of Ex Labour Voters who Labour have alienated.  

3 minutes ago, jonb2 said:

99% of people across the world have a common enemy. And it ain't about different colours.

See my answer above.  

[Dorkins]

1 hour ago, Insane said:

Did you hear about the female Labour Party Member who did not attend last week ? She had received death threats from other party members as her opinions on Transgender issues

Rosie Duffield never said she received death threats.

In fact she actually walked back a long way from her original claim that she wouldn't attend conference because she felt unsafe and said she didn't want to attend because she thought it would create a distraction. In the end she did attend conference and there was no altercation.

Basically nothing happened other than "Rosie Duffield said some stuff to the newspapers" but people remember it as "Gender critical Labour MP is in hiding after receiving death threats" which I suspect is what Rosie Duffield wanted to happen from the beginning.

Edited October 7, 2021 by Dorkins

[pig]

16 minutes ago, Insane said:

Like what pointing out Racism to my Race ?

I was genuinely guessing that 'race' to you might be a bit zero sum footy team game but...bingo!

How about Trans ? Do you get upset over the Trans debate in a similar way ?

16 minutes ago, Insane said:

How would anyone get like that , you seem to be the Authority on this issue so you tell me how people get to pointing out Race against their Race. 

This is a bit weird, a bit childish no ?

16 minutes ago, Insane said:

 

OMG now trying to deflect , making a very poor job of it. 

Now tell me how you got to defending the Double Standard in the Labour Party , the Labour Movement and Yourself ? I'm all ears.  

I didn't - I'm asking how you got to be the kind of person ranting and raving and 'my Race'-ing on the internet.

I'm not as worked up about it as you so I'm wondering how and why you've got into this state.

For my part I don't mind the debate on inclusivity in society, sometimes its annoying, sometimes I welcome it, sometimes its intellectually fascinating.

 

[Insane]

1 hour ago, Dorkins said:

Rosie Duffield never said she received death threats.

In fact she actually walked back a long way from her original claim that she wouldn't attend conference because she felt unsafe and said she didn't want to attend because she thought it would create a distraction. In the end she did attend conference and there was no altercation.

Basically nothing happened other than "Rosie Duffield said some stuff to the newspapers" but people remember it as "Gender critical Labour MPs are in hiding after receiving daily death threats".

There have been more than one account of the situation with Rosie Duffield , it boils down to he said/she said , what we do know is that at first she would not attend but after much to and throwing she did. When it should have been the case that all Labour MP's attend without question, after the rumpus that surrounded the situation do you really think the people out to get Rosie would have done anything at the conference ? 

[Dorkins]

11 minutes ago, Insane said:

There have been more than one account of the situation with Rosie Duffield , it boils down to he said/she said , what we do know is that at first she would not attend but after much to and throwing she did. When it should have been the case that all Labour MP's attend without question, after the rumpus that surrounded the situation do you really think the people out to get Rosie would have done anything at the conference ? 

In neither of Rosie Duffield's accounts of the situation did she claim she had received death threats.

Nobody is "out to get" Rosie Duffield other than get her deselected as an MP. She started claiming she was in personal danger in order to smear the left of the party. As a political tactic it worked very well.

Fair play to the Labour right, now that they are in charge it is clear they are hopeless at beating the Tories but they are very good at attacking and smearing the left.

Edited October 7, 2021 by Dorkins

[Insane]

1 hour ago, pig said:

I was genuinely guessing that 'race' to you might be a bit zero sum footy team game but...bingo!

No you were not you were trying to label someone who did not agree with you to fit your wanted description of them. 

1 hour ago, pig said:

How about Trans ? Do you get upset over the Trans debate in a similar way ?

I believe just from the documentaries I have seen on the subject that it is a very involved difficult situation that very few can agree on , even the experts are baffled with the rise in young people wanting to alter their sex , I heard the Portman clinic in London a clinic that specialises in this said the referrals had risen 10 fold. What I have seen is anyone not singing from the Labour Left hymen sheet on this and giving their own opinions are being shut down quite aggressively something that should not be tolerated in a society that is meant to believe in free speech. 

1 hour ago, pig said:

This is a bit weird, a bit childish no ?

No not weird and not childish , I asked you a simple question , but like others I have asked you on these posts you have not answered. 

1 hour ago, pig said:

I didn't - I'm asking how you got to be the kind of person ranting and raving and 'my Race'-ing on the internet.

I am not ranting and raving just putting my points across. If anyone has gone up a notch from stating their opinions and is heading towards ranting and raving it is you, when you stated to make personnel assumptions of me when I was declining your points. 

 

1 hour ago, pig said:

I'm not as worked up about it as you so I'm wondering how and why you've got into this state.

You are the one who is more worked up and have concentrated on that rather than answer my questions. 

 

1 hour ago, pig said:

For my part I don't mind the debate on inclusivity in society, sometimes its annoying, sometimes I welcome it, sometimes its intellectually fascinating.

 

Well maybe answer the question which was why is there such a double standard when it comes to race in the Labour Party the Labour Movement and Yourself ? 

Intellectually fascinating LOL maybe answer the simple question above , I would not call it Intellectually fascinating just a straight forward question and answer situation.

[Insane]

12 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

Fair play to the Labour right, now that they are in charge it is clear they are hopeless at beating the Tories but they are very good at attacking and smearing the left.

The Labour Left and the Labour Right. I have mentioned it a few times on this forum and I will do so again, did you ever see the debate on GMB the morning after Labour Lost the last election ? There were six Labour people around the table, 3 from the left , 3 from the right they literally screamed at each other across the table ( well in my opinion the left did most of the screaming the right could not get a word in) so much so that the presenter chipped in and said I cannot believe that you are all meant to be on the same side. 

Yet Labour wonder why they lost ? !!!

[Dorkins]

11 minutes ago, Insane said:

The Labour Left and the Labour Right. I have mentioned it a few times on this forum and I will do so again, did you ever see the debate on GMB the morning after Labour Lost the last election ? There were six Labour people around the table, 3 from the left , 3 from the right they literally screamed at each other across the table ( well in my opinion the left did most of the screaming the right could not get a word in) so much so that the presenter chipped in and said I cannot believe that you are all meant to be on the same side. 

Yet Labour wonder why they lost ? !!!

I agree that the Labour party is badly broken, under a different electoral system I'm sure it would split into centrist Labour and left Labour. Personally I can't see the point in having yet another Tory party to defend the economic status quo, we already have the Tories and Lib Dems, surely there should be at least one option on the ballot paper for people on the wrong side of the economic status quo.

Anyway the Labour party can do what it wants for now, I have no interest in voting for yet another pro-HPI party.

Edited October 7, 2021 by Dorkins

[Insane]

1 minute ago, Dorkins said:

I agree that the Labour party is badly broken, under a different electoral system I'm sure it would split into centrist Labour and left Labour. Personally I can't see the point in having yet another Tory party, we already have the Tories and Lib Dems, surely there should be at least one option on the ballot paper for people on the wrong side of the economic status quo.

Agreed 

Sadly this is why as I have said a number of times if there was an election tomorrow Boris would win again hands down even though he is a Clown. It is a very sad state of affairs when people constantly quote how disappointed they are with the Torys , how angered they are with the state of the country , how let down they feel , that they think Boris is a Chancer a fool and all manner of other statements , yet they would have no choice but to vote for him.

As they are scared shi-less of a Labour Government in Labours present form , this comes from Ex Labour working class voters. I am one and know many others, our feelings must be duplicated across the country and was proved when the red wall fell. 

Labour are unelectable they do not appeal to the average Jo Public Man and Woman in the street no mater how dire that Man and Woman's finances might be under the Torys. Very Sad State Of Affairs. 

[iamnumerate]

19 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

 

Anyway the Labour party can do what it wants for now, I have no interest in voting for yet another pro-HPI party.

As I have said before the problem is politicians think that most of the population want HPI - I am not sure that they are right.

But they all with a few exceptions seem to believe it (and no politician has been consistently good on this.

 

23 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

I agree that the Labour party is badly broken, under a different electoral system I'm sure it would split into centrist Labour and left Labour.

True our electoral system is awful.

[Dorkins]

10 minutes ago, iamnumerate said:

True our electoral system is awful.

Yes FPTP is awful, it's also Labour party policy to keep it for Westminster elections which is another reason they can forget about my vote.