Kosmin Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, IMHAL said: There is no proof that Labour have deliberate policies that target and discriminate against white's in any of your ramblings and accusations. There is proof. You just have to watch "all the vids!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, Kosmin said: There is proof. You just have to watch "all the vids!" ????? policies are written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, IMHAL said: ????? policies are written. Evidently the 2 hours ago, Insane said: double standard when it comes to way words are used by certain Labour MPs is more important than policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Kosmin said: Evidently the is more important than policies. Oh I see. So there are no policies, laws or otherwise set out by labour. Thanks for clearing that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Kosmin said: There is proof. You just have to watch "all the vids!" Its just trolling, breaking point poster style. Get uninformed people frightened of Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 11/10/2021 at 20:17, Insane said: a law, regulation, procedure, administrative action, incentive, or voluntary practice of governments and other institutions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Insane said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamnumerate Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 17 hours ago, IMHAL said: Oh I see. So there are no policies, laws or otherwise set out by labour. Thanks for clearing that up. From 2018 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-subsidy-for-non-white-members-divisive-and-illegal-l73nmslnb Quote Labour is facing an inquiry by the Equality and Human Rights Commission into its decision to charge non-white attendants at a conference less than white ones. Next month Labour will hold an event in Loughborough with Jeremy Corbyn speaking that will charge £40 for white members and £30 for non-white members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 17 hours ago, IMHAL said: ????? policies are written. Not always 11 hours ago, Insane said: a law, regulation, procedure, administrative action, incentive, or voluntary practice of governments and other institutions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, iamnumerate said: From 2018 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-subsidy-for-non-white-members-divisive-and-illegal-l73nmslnb Barrel scraping ******wittery. 🙄 https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/labour-party-withdraws-subsidised-tickets-1110874 Labour has withdrawn its offer of discounted tickets for black and ethnic minority people to hear Jeremy Corbyn speak after concerns were raised with an equalities watchdog. The Conservatives complained to the Equalities and Human Right Commission (EHRC) after BAME (black and minority ethnic) activists were offered £30 tickets to hear the Labour leader speak in Loughborough next month while other attendees were charged £40. The Tories say the tiered charging policy is racist and patronising to BAME while Labour says is was simply subsidising tickets for its East Midlands Regional Conference to encourage participation from under represented groups. East Midlands Labour has however now withdrawn the offer of discounted tickets. The EHRC told the Mercury: “Charging people different rates because of their race is unlawful discrimination unless it can be shown that this is a proportionate way of addressing low levels of participation. “We will be writing to the Labour Party to ask them for their justification for this policy.” An East Midlands Labour party spokeswoman said: “The Labour Party is taking advice on other ways we can increase the representation of BAME members at East Midlands Regional Conference in February. “The intention behind the BAME pass was to increase the representation of under-represented groups which remains a priority for the party.” Labour says none of its members have complained about the pricing structure and says the Tories and parts of the media are stirring up the issue for political reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, zugzwang said: “The intention behind the BAME pass was to increase the representation of under-represented groups which remains a priority for the party.” Why are certain groups seen as a priority ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Insane said: Why are certain groups seen as a priority ? Re-read the sentence you quoted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Why are several posters arguing from an "if it's not explicitly stated as policy it can't possibly be part of a party's outlook and attitude" perspective? Come on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Riedquat said: Why are several posters arguing from an "if it's not explicitly stated as policy it can't possibly be part of a party's outlook and attitude" perspective? Come on! Do you think whites, they being the vast majority in the labour party, are specifically and systemically anti-white? If you do then let me know what systemic predjudices as a matter of policy or general outlook the labour party has against white's that is not about reducing the discrimination and improving the outcomes for none whites who, demographically, can be shown to have worse outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Riedquat said: Why are several posters arguing from an "if it's not explicitly stated as policy it can't possibly be part of a party's outlook and attitude" perspective? Come on! A party doesn't have a perspective. The members and MPs may share a perspective, but this isn't the case with Labour (they are divided). There are an infinite number of things not explicitly stated as policy. There should be a relatively high bar to worry about a party doing something they don't campaign on. Five allegedly anti-white MPs are very unlikely to be able to force the government to implement anti-white policies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Riedquat said: Why are several posters arguing from an "if it's not explicitly stated as policy it can't possibly be part of a party's outlook and attitude" perspective? Come on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Kosmin said: A party doesn't have a perspective. The members and MPs may share a perspective, but this isn't the case with Labour (they are divided). There are an infinite number of things not explicitly stated as policy. There should be a relatively high bar to worry about a party doing something they don't campaign on. Five allegedly anti-white MPs are very unlikely to be able to force the government to implement anti-white policies Yes, there's a level of division within the party but you can still overall associate it with various outlooks and attitudes beyond what it explicitly claims to be (and often you can be pretty sceptical about a party being what it insists on, in writing, that it is about). As for your Simpsons clip, just going on the title alone (which is all I can when I'm at work) yes, the notes not being played make a huge difference. Music's more than just the right notes in the right order, it's all about timing, volume, and yes, the gaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, Riedquat said: Yes, there's a level of division within the party but you can still overall associate it with various outlooks and attitudes beyond what it explicitly claims to be You could claim that Labour was still a left-wing party despite New Labour. Or you could claim under Corbyn that it was still a centrist party. There were lots of left-wing MPs under Blair. There were lots of centrist MPs when Corbyn was leader. But are there enough anti-white people in Labour to allow people to plausibly argue this is part of the party's outlook? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, Kosmin said: You could claim that Labour was still a left-wing party despite New Labour. Or you could claim under Corbyn that it was still a centrist party. There were lots of left-wing MPs under Blair. There were lots of centrist MPs when Corbyn was leader. But are there enough anti-white people in Labour to allow people to plausibly argue this is part of the party's outlook? Well that's a meaningful question at least, and one that requires looking at more than just what the party's officially written stance on a matter is. I'd qualify it with "enough people with sufficient influence" though (since it's not just a numbers game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Riedquat said: Why are several posters arguing from an "if it's not explicitly stated as policy it can't possibly be part of a party's outlook and attitude" perspective? Come on! It’s neither policy nor outlook however you contrive If. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, pig said: It’s neither policy nor outlook however you contrive If. I didn't express an opinion on it one way or the other, I was just pointing out the holes in argument used by others for rejecting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, Riedquat said: I didn't express an opinion on it one way or the other, I was just pointing out the holes in argument used by others for rejecting it. I take your point, but the OP was a 'why do you beat your wife' question, and the poster is stonewalling on debate in good faith, sending everybody round the houses refuting the trojan suggestion. Heres another trojan: if a poster race-baits by trying to malign others with race-baiting does that make the poster a cynic or a racist ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, pig said: Heres another trojan: if a poster race-baits by trying to malign others with race-baiting does that make the poster a cynic or a racist ? Who Race Baited then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 17 hours ago, Insane said: Who Race Baited then ? Its all out there in plain English - just do a search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 24 minutes ago, pig said: Its all out there in plain English - just do a search I did there was no one Race Baiting on this Thread. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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