coypondboy Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) Wondered why fruit drink sales rocketing bet the parents aren't happy but kids get to extend their summer holidays so easy to do apparently: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/belfast-man-creates-positive-covid-test-with-fruit-drink-40603083.html The problem is the affect this is having on other people as the dreaded ping spreads like wildfire and is now affecting businesses as they fully open on 19 July, if cases hit 200k a day (worse case scenario) could be millions self isolating in the coming weeks. Edited July 16, 2021 by coypondboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, coypondboy said: Wondered why fruit drink sales rocketing bet the parents aren't happy but kids get to extend their summer holidays so easy to do apparently: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/belfast-man-creates-positive-covid-test-with-fruit-drink-40603083.html The problem is the affect this is having on other people as the dreaded ping spreads like wildfire and is now affecting businesses as they fully open on 19 July, if cases hit 200k a day (worse case scenario) could be millions self isolating in the coming weeks. You don't - and never have had to - self-isolate just if you get an app ping. That has NEVER been law. You only have to self-isolate if you test positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/01/pupils-use-lemon-juice-to-fake-positive-covid-test-and-get-classes-sent-home-14858148/ Well I never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patfig Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 and on Monday........... take it off take it off take it off............ where's Davina! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Roady Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former postman Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 My partner suggested I download the Test and trace app because loads of her mates were getting pinged and free days off work. I told her a day or two off work is insufficient payment for downloading a Tory data harvesting app to my phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromage Frais Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, Postman said: My partner suggested I download the Test and trace app because loads of her mates were getting pinged and free days off work. I told her a day or two off work is insufficient payment for downloading a Tory data harvesting app to my phone Thats the spirit we need to get out of this crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 5 hours ago, scottbeard said: You don't - and never have had to - self-isolate just if you get an app ping. That has NEVER been law. You only have to self-isolate if you test positive. Untrue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innkeeper Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 3 hours ago, dugsbody said: Untrue. Legally, no. If you are "pinged" by the NHS COVID-19 app via a notification on your phone, there is no legal obligation to self-isolate. This is because downloading the app is voluntary and any instruction from it is simply guidance - rather than the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 5 hours ago, dugsbody said: Untrue. Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locky82 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, scottbeard said: Link? I haven't personally pinged but a member of my team recently has. Unless I'm being completely mugged off the screen shot they sent over says 'track and trace has identified you as a contact of someone who recently tested positive for covid 19. It is your legal duty to stay home and isolate until... (including this date). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 7 hours ago, scottbeard said: Link? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-legal-duty-to-self-isolate-comes-into-force-today https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/if-youre-told-to-self-isolate-by-nhs-test-and-trace-or-the-covid-19-app/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotblack42 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Opinion on this seems to vary hugely depending whether the individual still receives their income while isolating. As an information worker I can still work while isolating so stand at a disadvantage to manual workers who get sick pay while isolating & watching telly, pursuing their hobbies etc. Tough for gig workers though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Innkeeper said: Legally, no. If you are "pinged" by the NHS COVID-19 app via a notification on your phone, there is no legal obligation to self-isolate. This is because downloading the app is voluntary and any instruction from it is simply guidance - rather than the law. I think the point was that scottbeard though you didn't have to isolate if pinged, legally or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottbeard Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, dugsbody said: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-legal-duty-to-self-isolate-comes-into-force-today https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/if-youre-told-to-self-isolate-by-nhs-test-and-trace-or-the-covid-19-app/ Your links nicely prove why I am right. Link 1 says if you’re phoned up by a test and trace call centre you have to self isolate or be fined. Link 2 says  if the app pings you the ADVICE is that you self isolate App pings have no legal requirements attached - they just hope you will be a good citizen and stay at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, scottbeard said: You don't - and never have had to - self-isolate just if you get an app ping. That has NEVER been law. You only have to self-isolate if you test positive. I've never installed the App and most venues happily accept an alias. I've also never taken a lateral flow or PCR test. I was at a family gathering last Friday where it transpires one of the teenagers had Covid, can't say I've noticed any symptoms.  Edited July 17, 2021 by Mikhail Liebenstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Roady Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 All that surprises me about this impending mess is that people are surprised. What does it take for people to see these populist, incompetent, hypocritical charlatans for what they are? The app appears to be working by the date we unlock...what do they now suggest??? Make it less sensitive. Idiots! If we are not careful the PM is actually going to pile the bodies high this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, scottbeard said: Your links nicely prove why I am right. Link 1 says if you’re phoned up by a test and trace call centre you have to self isolate or be fined. Link 2 says  if the app pings you the ADVICE is that you self isolate App pings have no legal requirements attached - they just hope you will be a good citizen and stay at home https://www.london.gov.uk/coronavirus/coronavirus-covid-19-faqs/what-nhs-test-and-trace-and-how-does-it-work Quote What is NHS Test and Trace and how does it work? NHS Test and Trace is the service that contacts everyone who tests positive for coronavirus. If you have a positive test result NHS Test and Trace will text, email or phone you to collect details about your close contacts. Your details will not be shared, but your close contacts will get a text, email, phone call or app notification to alert them to self-isolate. If you have been in close contact with someone who has tested positive for coronavirus you will be told to self-isolate for 10 full days from the last time you saw that contact.  The entire point of the NHS Test and Trace App is to faciliate them identifying who to contact. Anyway, this is of no interest me to get bogged down in a silly argument on semantics. I think I'm right, based on the above, you think you're right. I could be wrong, and if I am, great. Let's move on. Edited July 17, 2021 by dugsbody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddog Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I think the best solution is to uninstall the NHS app, the world has gone completely crazy. I am really interested to see what the long term financial and phycological damage Covid will bring to the UK / Europe / US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 As someone who's never had a smartphone, I'm smugly watching the UK tie itself in bizarre knots over this 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregBowman Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 23 hours ago, dugsbody said: Untrue. True.This could be a long evening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, reddog said: I think the best solution is to uninstall the NHS app, the world has gone completely crazy. I am really interested to see what the long term financial and phycological damage Covid will bring to the UK / Europe / US. Yep, and switch off SKY "news", of course many people never had the app in the first place..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Roman Roady said: All that surprises me about this impending mess is that people are surprised. What does it take for people to see these populist, incompetent, hypocritical charlatans for what they are? The app appears to be working by the date we unlock...what do they now suggest??? Make it less sensitive. Idiots! If we are not careful the PM is actually going to pile the bodies high this summer. Â Starting with Sajid David? https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2021/07/17/sajid-javid-self-isolating-after-testing-positive-for-covid/ Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Roady Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Yes well he has actually tested and proved positive...so he has to isolate as I understand it. What a time for the health secretary to have to isolate...hopefully he can WFH...if not too ill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Orb said: As someone who's never had a smartphone, I'm smugly watching the UK tie itself in bizarre knots over this 🙂 Quite, and still use cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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