Cummings

[simon99]

16 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

 

Why

the

f**k

does

Jeremy

Corbyn

keep

coming

up

in

this

thread?

 

 

 

Maybe it's because he was leader of the opposition party from 2015 to 2020 , and because Cummings directly referenced him yesterday? Or maybe because he still has a lot of support in the Labour ranks? Just a hunch.

[Patfig]

12 minutes ago, simon99 said:

Maybe it's because he was leader of the opposition party from 2015 to 2020 , and because Cummings directly referenced him yesterday? Or maybe because he still has a lot of support in the Labour ranks? Just a hunch.

You are Quasimodo, I claim my £5.

[Gigantic Purple Slug]

21 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

 

Why

the

f**k

does

Jeremy

Corbyn

keep

coming

up

in

this

thread?

 

 

 

Because a lot of people would probably make the point that the reason Johnson is in power now is not because people liked Johnson, but because they disliked Corbyn.

Similarly despite what everyone seems to rant on about on here, the Tories are still very popular for an incumbent government. They did very well at the recent council elections and actually won a by election (which is pretty rare for a government in power).

The latest YouGov polls put Johnson 16 points ahead of Starmer, and the Tories 18 points ahead of Labour on voting intention.

So why is it if Johnson is an idiot and the Tories are so incompetent that they appear to do so well ?

And you can insult the general public if you wish. But it's hardly a strategy to get elected, as Gordon Brown found out to his cost.

[simon99]

1 minute ago, Patfig said:

You are Quasimodo, I claim my £5.

Blimey, an insult from the off. Well done.

[zugzwang]

1 minute ago, Gigantic Purple Slug said:

Because a lot of people would probably make the point that the reason Johnson is in power now is not because people liked Johnson, but because they disliked Corbyn.

Similarly despite what everyone seems to rant on about on here, the Tories are still very popular for an incumbent government. They did very well at the recent council elections and actually won a by election (which is pretty rare for a government in power).

The latest YouGov polls put Johnson 16 points ahead of Starmer, and the Tories 18 points ahead of Labour on voting intention.

So why is it if Johnson is an idiot and the Tories are so incompetent that they appear to do so well ?

And you can insult the general public if you wish. But it's hardly a strategy to get elected, as Gordon Brown found out to his cost.

 

So it's all Jeremy Corbyn's fault for losing the 2019 General Election.

Ah yes, of course! Lock him up.

 

 

[Riedquat]

9 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

 

So it's all Jeremy Corbyn's fault for losing the 2019 General Election.

Ah yes, of course! Lock him up.

He is pretty much why Johnson won - any semi-credible opposition would've wiped him off the floor. Not sure why you're having a problem with that explanation of why the Tories ended up with a majority and are still doing well in the polls (changes of opinion, especially swinging back to positive, rarely happen quickly, and Starmer, whilst not getting all the negative attention Corbyn did, is turning out to be pretty much a nonentity when it comes to swaying people over).

Edited May 27, 2021 by Riedquat

[nightowl]

3 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

He is pretty much why Johnson won - any semi-credible opposition would've wiped him off the floor.

Quite likely, providing they could convince the red wall areas to stay onside and that might mean embracing Br***t...so not 100% guaranteed.

DomC did mention his dismay at the choice of PMs the UK was offered in GE19 and how the political system had failed the UK.

Edited May 27, 2021 by nightowl

[winkie]

2 hours ago, simon99 said:

Formerly the hated Cummings, now our Cummings exposing the truth, now he's no longer at the centre of it all. 

Group think till no longer part of the group.....pots calling each other black.

[zugzwang]

12 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

He is pretty much why Johnson won - any semi-credible opposition would've wiped him off the floor. Not sure why you're having a problem with that explanation of why the Tories ended up with a majority and are still doing well in the polls (changes of opinion, especially swinging back to positive, rarely happen quickly, and Starmer, whilst not getting all the negative attention Corbyn did, is turning out to be pretty much a nonentity when it comes to swaying people over).

Corbs was (and is) very credible, as he proved in 2017. All completely irrelevant to this thread.

[dugsbody]

15 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

He is pretty much why Johnson won - any semi-credible opposition would've wiped him off the floor. Not sure why you're having a problem with that explanation of why the Tories ended up with a majority and are still doing well in the polls (changes of opinion, especially swinging back to positive, rarely happen quickly, and Starmer, whilst not getting all the negative attention Corbyn did, is turning out to be pretty much a nonentity when it comes to swaying people over).

Nah. Johnson won because of the FPTP system.

Labour voters were something like 65% in favour of remaining in the EU but the minority who wanted to leave the EU were all in seats that swung to the brexit party (Tories). 

Labour were screwed either way. They come out and fully support brexit, they lose a huge amount of voters to the Lib Dems and lose the election. They come out against brexit and their "red wall" voters swing to the Tories. They knew this which is why they tried the only thing they could (unsuccessfully) which was to attempt to keep them both on side with a support of a second referendum. Unfortunately, the brexit supporters didn't buy this and swung to the Tories anyway.

There was basically no chance of Labour winning that election because of brexit.

[dugsbody]

3 hours ago, kev-all-in said:

I was struck by the admission that our entire political system is completely shambolic and not fit for purpose. 

Crucial life and death decisions and 'war time' policy decided informally by largely unelected 'advisors' and civil servants behind closed doors. Not even discussed in cabinet let alone parliament. No. 10 apparently a total mess. No accountability by design and totally incompetent people in charge of massive projects. 

Mostly pathetic questions by the committee, just let DC answer whatever he wanted. I still have no idea what dc was doing in No 10? Adviser that bj fundamentally disagreed with and didn't listen to?

Supposedly 'worked on procurement' - what work? Fast tracking donors?? They just glossed over anything awkward. Even reluctant to mention Barnard Castle until the end, letting him waffle on about Durham. 

Hancock is apparently a liar, but no one asked specifically what lies, and just a vague 'I presume u have some evidence' without asking what it is. They hardly questioned or challenged anything he said. Honestly Judge Judy would have done a 10x better job!

The whole polictal system stinks and is completely broken top to bottom, and it just seems to get worse and worse.

Oh yes.

Do you know who is to blame? Foreigners. That's why we voted for brexit and made sure to hand even more power to the oldest establishment party in the UK.

That should fix it.

[Riedquat]

11 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Corbs was (and is) very credible, as he proved in 2017. All completely irrelevant to this thread.

The election results say otherwise. What he was offering wasn't what a lot of people wanted, even if you did. Then do you go with someone definitely not offering what you want, or someone probably useless and dishonest who nevertheless is saying things slightly more appealing? "Probably spouting nonsense and won't deliver" will beat "definitely don't want that."

And it's very relevant if you're going to go on about "Tory support."

Edited May 27, 2021 by Riedquat

[simon99]

14 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Corbs was (and is) very credible, as he proved in 2017. All completely irrelevant to this thread.

Bring back Jezza , McDonnell, Abbott, et al.  That would be great for the Tories. It's all relevant.

[simon99]

11 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

Oh yes.

Do you know who is to blame? Foreigners. That's why we voted for brexit and made sure to hand even more power to the oldest establishment party in the UK.

That should fix it.

Oh yes, everyone's a racist. Another reason the Left keep losing.

[dugsbody]

4 minutes ago, simon99 said:

Oh yes, everyone's a racist. Another reason the Left keep losing.

Brexit was about blaming the foreigners and handing even more power to the oldest establishment party in the UK.

Why do you call that racist?

[simon99]

1 minute ago, dugsbody said:

Brexit was about blaming the foreigners and handing even more power to the oldest establishment party in the UK.

Why do you call that racist?

Come on , the narrative was that people who voted for Brexit were racist and thick, i.e. because mass uncontrolled immigration wasn't considered a brilliant thing. 

[zugzwang]

2 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

The election results say otherwise. And it's very relevant if you're going to go on about "Tory support."

This thread is about Cummings' testimony before a Commons' select committee, is it not? Cummings mentioned Corbs just once in six hours. Naturally, because Jeremy Corbyn had nothing whatsoever to do with the UK's Covid response. He's not even a member of the parliamentary Labour Party ffs!

And yet here you are (again) disparaging JC's good name while covering up for those who were in charge.

[Huggy]

41 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

He is pretty much why Johnson won - any semi-credible opposition would've wiped him off the floor. Not sure why you're having a problem with that explanation of why the Tories ended up with a majority and are still doing well in the polls (changes of opinion, especially swinging back to positive, rarely happen quickly, and Starmer, whilst not getting all the negative attention Corbyn did, is turning out to be pretty much a nonentity when it comes to swaying people over).

Don't forget Sir Keir is a kneeling cuck, the face of the 'People's Vote' as the shadow Remain Secretary, and he also wears the same rosette as the hated comrade who he took over from after the 2019 election.

However given all of that, I's say Corbyn gets the credit for losing Labour 3 general elections in a row.

[dugsbody]

2 minutes ago, simon99 said:

Come on , the narrative was that people who voted for Brexit were racist and thick, i.e. because mass uncontrolled immigration wasn't considered a brilliant thing. 

You're putting words in my mouth. If you want to comment on my posts, please respond only to what I've written. Thanks.

[Riedquat]

17 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

This thread is about Cummings' testimony before a Commons' select committee, is it not? Cummings mentioned Corbs just once in six hours. Naturally, because Jeremy Corbyn had nothing whatsoever to do with the UK's Covid response. He's not even a member of the parliamentary Labour Party ffs!

And yet here you are (again) disparaging JC's good name while covering up for those who were in charge.

Well I'll have to look back to check, but who brought up "Tory support"?

[simon99]

15 hours ago, dugsbody said:

You're putting words in my mouth. If you want to comment on my posts, please respond only to what I've written. Thanks.

Sorry if I was doing that. Only when you said Brexit was about foreigners I thought that might be the logic behind it.

Edited May 28, 2021 by simon99

[nightowl]

Aha, so much like the covid black swan thread this is another brexit by proxy thread by only page 7😲

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

2 hours ago, zugzwang said:

 

Why

the

f**k

does

Jeremy

Corbyn

keep

coming

up

in

this

thread?

 

 

 

It's the Tory fanbois desperate to deflect debate away from their Dear Leader. Utterly pathetic levels of whataboutism.

 

How the Brexshiteers stole the EU Referendum, after yesterday's honest performance by Cummings I am reminded of the phrase there is no honour among thieves. That's still to sink in to some on here.

[MonsieurCopperCrutch]

49 minutes ago, simon99 said:

Come on , the narrative was that people who voted for Brexit were racist and thick, i.e. because mass uncontrolled immigration wasn't considered a brilliant thing. 

The fact that Brexshit voters are thick is not simply a 'narrative', it is a fact. If you don't believe the facts then I suggest you take up your concerns with the researchers:

Science has dim view of Brexit voters’ brains

Researchers gave 11,225 volunteers psychological tests before the referendum and asked how they intended to vote. Results suggest that leavers tended to be less numerate, more impulsive and more prone to accept the unsupported claims of authoritarian figures.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-voters-are-less-bright-than-remainers-7nk8s3272

[simon99]

1 minute ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

The fact that Brexshit voters are thick is not simply a 'narrative', it is a fact. If you don't believe the facts then I suggest you take up your concerns with the researchers:

Science has dim view of Brexit voters’ brains

Researchers gave 11,225 volunteers psychological tests before the referendum and asked how they intended to vote. Results suggest that leavers tended to be less numerate, more impulsive and more prone to accept the unsupported claims of authoritarian figures.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-voters-are-less-bright-than-remainers-7nk8s3272

Well that study proves it then. Bring on socialism or communism, does  the science / evidence back that up as the best way forward?