Degrowth

[scepticus]

53 minutes ago, NoHPCinTheUK said:

This degrowth thing is rubbish. 
1) We do not consume, we transform resources. 
 

all transformations create entropy and waste, says the 2nd law of thermodynamics. So at the very least our irreversible consumption is the waste from our transformations. In practice not all transformations prove useful, so that can be added to the tab. 

Nothing scaremongering about that, its just the laws of physics. 

I'm told that in certain circles, immutable laws of nature are not highly regarded.

[erat_forte]

9 hours ago, NoHPCinTheUK said:

... developing fuel out of thin air, giants domes to boil water under the light of the sun to power our electricity. ...

Energy budgets.... how much energy do you want to use? Where is it going to come from?

[erat_forte]

9 hours ago, Big Orange said:

Your "wood world" sounds like a more toned down, semi-rural cyberpunk setting that is the end point for North America and Europe, though I can imagine post-Putin Russia, South Africa, and parts of Latin America shattering in cataclysms.

You can have a cataclysmic shattering where everything is made from wood and naturally harvested sustainable materials... if there is nothing else to build your torture camps from, then rammed earth and wood will do the job... slave labour to do the harvesting and construction and maintenance will be cheap and disposable...

[scepticus]

4 hours ago, erat_forte said:

Energy budgets.... how much energy do you want to use? Where is it going to come from?

Are you unaware of the concept of phlogiston?

[erat_forte]

Goldman Sachs: "demand destruction via sharply higher prices is the only option to rebalance markets"

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/europe-gas-electricity-price-surge-commodities-markets-shortages-goldman-sachs-2021-9?op=1

Looks like "Demand Destruction" is mainstream code for degrowth.

[PeanutButter]

6 hours ago, erat_forte said:

Goldman Sachs: "demand destruction via sharply higher prices is the only option to rebalance markets"

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/europe-gas-electricity-price-surge-commodities-markets-shortages-goldman-sachs-2021-9?op=1

Looks like "Demand Destruction" is mainstream code for degrowth.

As winter approaches I’m not sure consumers have that much ability to limit their demand, no matter what the price set. Another season of ‘eat or heat’ for UK’s poorest.